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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #1
Brenda speaks for the nation.

 
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Otis

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #2
Produce clarity.


 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #3
So Corbyn is forced to cave in. He’d have looked even more absurd if it stood his ground.

Irs going to be a strange election for many reasons. The maths are difficulty but for the sake of the country I hope Johnson gets in with a workable majority
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #4
A General Election by principle is different than what's going on in the European Union thread.

Should keep the two separate.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #5
If you've got any sense, don't vote for Corbyn
 
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Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #6
SkyBlueDom26 said:
If you've got any sense, don't vote for Corbyn
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I wouldn't vote for any of them if it wasn't so important. None of them deserve my vote.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #7
SkyBlueDom26 said:
If you've got any sense, don't vote for Corbyn
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If you have sense you won't vote for Boris Johnson either.

Can't vote for the Lib Dems.

That just leaves a punch-up between Farage's mob and the Green Party.

Tree huggers of the world unite.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #8
Best solution-

Brexit party don't go against the Tories and instead go for the Labour seats.. win win then
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #9
UK General Election Betting Odds | Politics | Oddschecker
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #10
SkyBlueDom26 said:
If you've got any sense, don't vote for Corbyn
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So you'll be voting for him then?
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #11
Unfortunately it's going to be a Brexit election. What they should be pushing is this is possibly our last opportunity to elect a government that will take our emissions targets seriously and decarbonise our economy before it's too late.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #12
Comment on the BBC News website on this article asking "Is Jeremy Corbyn the most ineffectual opposition leader ever?" They are clearly too young to remember Neil Kinnock!
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #13
Grendel said:
So Corbyn is forced to cave in. He’d have looked even more absurd if it stood his ground.

Irs going to be a strange election for many reasons. The maths are difficulty but for the sake of the country I hope Johnson gets in with a workable majority
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I don't think he will.
I don't think this GE is going to help solve this mess the way some people think it will.
Also expect a lot of tactical voting. Will make it very hard to call.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #14
clint van damme said:
So you'll be voting for him then?
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Could pay me a million pound and i still wouldn't
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #15
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Could pay me a million pound and i still wouldn't
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I would
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #16
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Could pay me a million pound and i still wouldn't
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You might need that million to pay for drugs when you’re ill.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #17
Grendel said:
I would
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Thought you'd have my back with that one Grendel:joyful:
 

rob9872

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #18
Can't wait for this - it's going to be a gamblers wet dream. Nobody has any idea on who will win, what the turnout will be, whether parties will be splitting each others votes. Opinion polls will be up and down like a whores drawers. Keep laying the favourite and should be in front on any book by the time the election actually happens.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #19
Labour will be gambling on the leave vote splitting, if it doesn't then they will struggle
 

rob9872

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #20
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Labour will be gambling on the leave vote splitting, if it doesn't then they will struggle
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Thing is it could go any way with Labour being so unclear on a Brexit strategy. If they don't define soon, they could lose swathes of remain voters to Lib Dems and leave voters to the Brexit party. They could struggle to get more than 150 seats if they're not careful. First past the post is always reliant on turnover etc of course and depends how the staunch union block votes go too. Could be really interesting and I'd pay very little attention to early opinion polls.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #21
Liquid Gold said:
Unfortunately it's going to be a Brexit election. What they should be pushing is this is possibly our last opportunity to elect a government that will take our emissions targets seriously and decarbonise our economy before it's too late.
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Horrible isn't it, that policy for the next five years on health, education, crime etc may be on the back of something completely different.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #22
Deleted member 5849 said:
Horrible isn't it, that policy for the next five years on health, education, crime etc may be on the back of something completely different.
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It won’t be in the end Mr Corbyn and his socialist agenda wiok be assessed against the progressive liberalism of Johnson
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #23
Progressive Libralism of Johnson? Johnson believes in nothing but himself, and what will make him popular.

He will campaign on what Cummings and the hard brexiteers tell him to campaign on.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #24
Deleted member 5849 said:
Horrible isn't it, that policy for the next five years on health, education, crime etc may be on the back of something completely different.
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Agreed though it's something that can be looked at again in 5 years. The Brexit question will hopefully be laid to rest...for now!
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #25
stupot07 said:
Progressive Libralism of Johnson? Johnson believes in nothing but himself, and what will make him popular.

He will campaign on what Cummings and the hard brexiteers tell him to campaign on.

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he will not - the Tory party dies years ago - Cameron and Johnson are classic left leaners. The press never actually reveal the other political advisor and her Marxist ideology - I wonder why
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #26
I struggle to see what this will ultimately change for the Tories. I don’t doubt that they’ll pick up new seats but I fully expect them to lose seats also.

Same for Labour. I think it will be swings and roundabouts for them also.

Lib Dem’s look like being one of the winners from an election but I doubt that they’ll make enough ground for their win to be anything other than hollow.

Same for the SNP, I fully expect them to take seats of the Tories and although this could well be the final nail in the coffin for a Tory majority other than that it could be a hollow victory.

The Brexit Party for the most part are just going to split both the Labour and Tories vote. This could throw up some abnormalities and interesting results. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Brexit Party just end up being Party poopers but I wouldn’t write them off winning a couple of seats.

Nothing will change for Plaid so it’s all about the Lib Dem’s, Tories and Labour in Wales for me.

Northern Ireland could be very very interesting. Expecting the DUP to be slaughtered (at least in vote share if not seats) but can’t decide if that will be to the benefit Sinn Fein, other unionist parties or indeed the Alliance Party. I suspect the latter might be dark horses.

So what will this change in Parliament? Very little I suspect. Except the numbers in Parliament who simply want to cancel Brexit.
 
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SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #27
Options are limited and sadly Brexit Party could be very influential. Early polls are unreliable and will be interesting to see how it pans out. I think a lot of people will be voting to try and prevent Bonking Boris from being elected as he's not at all trustworthy and he is far too close to the elite money people who essentially run our strange grey little country. However if I was a betting man I think BJ will scrape over the line.

It appears that the majority of the English and Welsh electorate seem to be "I've had enough of hearing about Brexit"! This makes me chuckle as its hardly as though such people are sitting at the negotiating table for 14 hours a day, 7 days a week going through minutiae of complex legal documents!
I think that the reality is the public are just a bit irritated by hearing about Brexit on the news/radio/papers so much as it keeps death/ disasters/ destruction/ murder/ weather/celebrity tittle tattle and sensational sex headlines out of the Daily Moan/Scum,/Sky News headlines much more - this simple stuff is much easier for most like minded people to understand as Brexit is way, way too complicated for most people to get their heads round (me included!). Sadly all my south-east based Tory voting, family-in-law fall into this category of 'get it sorted' .... and they all to a person absolutely love Boris.

If I was Corbyn I'd be trying to develop stronger Employee Rights, School Building Programme and strong NHS investment policies topped up with directly linking the ethics of Boris to matching those of Donny Trump - that would send a very simple and powerful message and may make the election closer than we think!
 

rob9872

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #28
skybluetony176 said:
So what will this change in Parliament? Very little I suspect. Except the numbers in Parliament who simply want to cancel Brexit.
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I agree with that, but I also think the Conservatives only need to match what they have to see Brexit through, despite more opposition members wanting to cancel than ever before. Anti Brexit Conservatives will be replaced with Brexit voting ones and those rebels that have recently blocked things will now mean slim victories instead. Once Brexit is done, I can then see another election within 12-18 months fought on other issues.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #29
Johnson's seat isn't 100% safe either, majority of 5,000 in an area with changing demographics. Would be interesting if the Conservatives won the election while their leader lost his seat.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #30


SkyBlueDom26 said:
Best solution-

Brexit party don't go against the Tories and instead go for the Labour seats.. win win then
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I too enjoy fantasy.
 

CovInEssex

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #31
Firstly, Labour need to sort their brexit stance. None of this "we'll get a deal and then ask the people if they want it" you don't phone a taxi and then ask the people you're with if we should get a taxi.

Boris needs to paint parliament as the enemy (he's already done this) speaking from a stand point that he isn't already in power will help.

Jo, who I find very unlikeable has a great chance of massive gains due to people (many students jumping Lab to Lib) being fed up of the main 2. Similar to what Nick Clegg achieved in 2010. Also have the ultimate remain voters.

I predict (if no pact between BXP and Con) Con 327 seats
Labour 234
25 Lib dems
With the rest going to the regional parties.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #32
Liquid Gold said:
Johnson's seat isn't 100% safe either, majority of 5,000 in an area with changing demographics. Would be interesting if the Conservatives won the election while their leader lost his seat.
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Read an article a while ago that his constituents have changed their mind on Brexit from leave to remain but it’s a safe Tory seat and I can’t see that changing.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #33
rob9872 said:
I agree with that, but I also think the Conservatives only need to match what they have to see Brexit through, despite more opposition members wanting to cancel than ever before. Anti Brexit Conservatives will be replaced with Brexit voting ones and those rebels that have recently blocked things will now mean slim victories instead. Once Brexit is done, I can then see another election within 12-18 months fought on other issues.
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They’re going to lose all 13 Scottish MPs for a start.

And Brexit won’t be done in the next parliament. Or the one after that. It’ll be live for a while. If Johnson gets his majority there won’t be an election for five years. If he lasts that long as a moderate with far right MPs
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #34
Grendel said:
So Corbyn is forced to cave in. He’d have looked even more absurd if it stood his ground.

Irs going to be a strange election for many reasons. The maths are difficulty but for the sake of the country I hope Johnson gets in with a workable majority
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Not for the sake of my country. Might deliver Brexit but country needs investment and empathy not austerity
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #35
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not for the sake of my country. Might deliver Brexit but country needs investment and empathy not austerity
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Which Johnson will bring - vote for Corbyn and it’s austerity on a level you can’t even imagine
 
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