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robbiekeane

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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It’s all over the place isn’t it. I know it’s because of bury going bust and so that game throws everyone out but got to admit it makes the season a bit weird. Hard to get excited about the league table when it doesn’t really mean anything.

Burton have 3 games in hand on us
 
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CanadianCCFC

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2
robbiekeane said:
We have 3 games in hand on burton.
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You have that mixed up, but yeah it is annoying
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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robbiekeane

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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CanadianCCFC said:
You have that mixed up, but yeah it is annoying
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Thanks old buddy old pal
 

CanadianCCFC

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #5
robbiekeane said:
It’s all over the place isn’t it. I know it’s because of bury going bust and so that game throws everyone out but got to admit it makes the season a bit weird. Hard to get excited about the league table when it doesn’t really mean anything.

Burton have 3 games in hand on us
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Philosorapter said:
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If only we had someone who could conjure up tables and graphs to show how well we are actually doing this season.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #6
CanadianCCFC said:
If only we had someone who could conjure up tables and graphs to show how well we are actually doing this season.
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We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?

Can just imagine being down the pub now with my mates who support other teams, and when asked where cov are in the table I’ll say “well actually it’s not really indicative so there’s this guy called Philosorapter....” :banghead:
 
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Magwitch

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #7
If we can be somewhere around where we are today league wise by January 1st i would be very happy that’s 6 league games mostly against challenging teams, hopefully a lot of our injured players will be at full fitness, could be down to what Mark Robins is allowed to do in the January transfer window on how we do in the New Year.
 
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christonabike

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #8
We have the points on the board already. How many times have we had games in hand only to lose them or get a draw? Long way to go we just need to keep going and get the injured players back for the second half of the season.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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with the season now only 44 games - Play offs will be around the 70 points mark, and autos around the 85 point mark

so this means

Play offs will need from the remaining 27 games 41 points and 56 for autos

so play offs is something like

W 11 D 8 L 8 (Definitely achievable)

Autos is a little trickier at

W 16 D 8 L 3 (especially as we havent yet played Ipswich, wycombe or Sunderland)
 
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CanadianCCFC

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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robbiekeane said:
Hard to get excited about the league table when it doesn’t really mean anything.
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robbiekeane said:
We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?
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steve cooper

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #11
([B said:
especially as we havent yet played Ipswich, wycombe or Sunderland[/B])
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I don't wish to jinx the next few games but;
1. we have an excellent recent record against Wycombe & Sunderland
2. we tend to play better against sides near the top.
3. we have either played well against, or beaten everyone else in the top 10 except Rotherham
 
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edgy

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #12
steve cooper said:
I don't wish to jinx the next few games but;
1. we have an excellent recent record against Wycombe & Sunderland
2. we tend to play better against sides near the top.
3. we have either played well against, or beaten everyone else in the top 10 except Rotherham
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That's 17th nailed on then.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Magwitch said:
If we can be somewhere around where we are today league wise by January 1st i would be very happy that’s 6 league games mostly against challenging teams, hopefully a lot of our injured players will be at full fitness, could be down to what Mark Robins is allowed to do in the January transfer window on how we do in the New Year.
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January transfer activity is key to our season.
We play Sunderland, Ipswich, Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, and if you count Jan 1st. Tranmere
I think 10 points from that lot is achievable. This should keep us well in contention.
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #14
robbiekeane said:
We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?

Can just imagine being down the pub now with my mates who support other teams, and when asked where cov are in the table I’ll say “well actually it’s not really indicative so there’s this guy called Philosorapter....” :banghead:
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Heard a Man U fan say the other day they'd be top if games only lasted 45 mins or something stupid like that...
 
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harvey098

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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steve cooper said:
January transfer activity is key to our season.
We play Sunderland, Ipswich, Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, and if you count Jan 1st. Tranmere
I think 10 points from that lot is achievable. This should keep us well in contention.
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Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.
 
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CCFC88

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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harvey098 said:
Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.
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All depends on what formation we go with, we have 4-5 players who can make up the back 3, any injury crisis can be resolved with going back to a 4, plenty of cover at wing back. CM loaded.

I think we will definitely look at a striker no matter how Godden is shaping up. I also think he'll take a look at a couple of wingers, probably on loan if JJ comes back to any type of player by Jan-Feb I wouldn't be surprised by a winger or two to back up/contend him and Hiwula in a 433
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #17
If nothing else we are down Jobello from the start of the season. And Kastaneer has hardly set the world alight. I’d like to see another wide player, but that’s about it
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #18
ccfc92 said:
Heard a Man U fan say the other day they'd be top if games only lasted 45 mins or something stupid like that...
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We'd probably be top if games only lasted 90 minutes
 
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Johhny Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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shmmeee said:
If nothing else we are down Jobello from the start of the season. And Kastaneer has hardly set the world alight. I’d like to see another wide player, but that’s about it
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Kastaneer is a wide player. That's his problem.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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harvey098 said:
Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.
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You should always sign better players if able to and if they are available. Not seen Jamie Allen yet or if JJ is back to full fitness and firing on all cylinders but I’d look for another striker/goalscorer. It’s shown without doubt with Godden out we are not potent enough up front, an injury again to Godden after January would make things very tough.
 
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ccfc92

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Johhny Blue said:
We'd probably be top if games only lasted 90 minutes
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We've scored plenty of 90 + winners/equalisers tbf...
 
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ccfc92

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Magwitch said:
You should always sign better players if able to and if they are available. Not seen Jamie Allen yet or if JJ is back to full fitness and firing on all cylinders but I’d look for another striker/goalscorer. It’s shown without doubt with Godden out we are not potent enough up front, an injury again to Godden after January would make things very tough.
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Also, we can pretty much sack off Hiwula and Baka. Unless they hit form within the next 6 weeks...

Like you said, you should always look to improve the squad if possible.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #23
Don’t get it, think you’re being deliberately obtuse but ok
 

stupot07

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #24
This is the table based on points per game.



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cc84cov

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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shmmeee said:
If nothing else we are down Jobello from the start of the season. And Kastaneer has hardly set the world alight. I’d like to see another wide player, but that’s about it
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No striker for you mate ?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #26
stupot07 said:
This is the table based on points per game.



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Love this - did you create that from scratch?

We are essentially 4th then on level playing field
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #27
stupot07 said:
This is the table based on points per game.



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Not being funny but doesn't that essentially just keep the league table as it already is once games in hand are accounted for?
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #28
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not being funny but doesn't that essentially just keep the league table as it already is once games in hand are accounted for?
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Depends on the results
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #29
Johhny Blue said:
Depends on the results
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Points per game assumes that teams will carry on with the form that has guided them to where they already are.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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harvey098 said:
Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.
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You're right, providing all or most of the current injuries clear up as expected, but we have already seen injuries taking much longer than expected to clear up. Godden should be back by Jan but if he isn't we will need to do something I think, in the loan market at the least. And MR has hinted as much.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #31
robbiekeane said:
We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?

Can just imagine being down the pub now with my mates who support other teams, and when asked where cov are in the table I’ll say “well actually it’s not really indicative so there’s this guy called Philosorapter....” :banghead:
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This should be a good place to start.

FIDE meeting 9-12 April, Warsaw – Stewart Reuben – English Chess Federation

Followed by the three attached papers.

Hope this helps a little.

I've been messing around with this stuff a good decade before these papers and meeting.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Glicko like any other rating system is just a model. There are always going to be weaknesses. However, it should be close enough to the league table even when modelling a draw at .5 rather then .33
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Of course, it is doing lots of other stuff as well which can be read about above.

This is why I keep on saying, it is a measurement of performance based on results rather than a substitute for the league table itself.
 
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itsabuzzard

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #33
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Points per game assumes that teams will carry on with the form that has guided them to where they already are.
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Surely it's just a snapshot of games played to date? No assumptions made about future performance.

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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itsabuzzard said:
Surely it's just a snapshot of games played to date? No assumptions made about future performance.

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But that's what you end up with when you use games currently played as the basis for future performance. The teams will stay in the same positions because they are gaining points at the same rate across the season. The real question is are we going to maintain our average, drop it, or increase it?
 

itsabuzzard

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
But that's what you end up with when you use games currently played as the basis for future performance. The teams will stay in the same positions because they are gaining points at the same rate across the season. The real question is are we going to maintain our average, drop it, or increase it?
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I hadn't realised anyone was using it as the basis for future performance. Isn't it an attempt to gauge relative performance, removing the discrepancy in number of games played?

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