You can't just get rid of him though, it needs somebody to want him or a pay off.
Bomb squad and make it that he can’t train with the team basically force him out
Going off thread a little. Accringtons manager played most of his football in lower leagues, and obviously knows what to do at this level as their league position shows. So maybe that's the type of manager we need ?
I'd ask why a squad place and wage were being invested in Beavon who appears to add nothing. Another player on his salary could be another option for us an attacking asset, not just a passenger.
Not so much of a free and frank discussion after all then, if there are consequences for saying what you think.I would ship you straight out for causing divisions in the squad. Everyone is in it together. And everyone capable of making a contribution. Once you point a finger, then all of a sudden you have fingers pointing in loads of directions and your squad is fragmented.
Whoever authorised that needs a right bollocking.Yes unfortunately it was 24 months or his next goal so we took the shorter option
I knew we should have saved it on Friday night so we could reload(Assertively) 'Right lads, that wasn't good enough out there, that's the sort of game we should be winning'
Most of the squad reacted negatively.
Max Biamou looked fired up.
He will still only go if he gets a pay off finds a new club on a deal to his liking so we can scrap his contract by mutual.
It's the same whether he trains in the canteen or with the U8's.
But these people don’t like being forced to train alone or with the juniors and it may give him a nudge to find somewhere else at the moment it’s an easy last payout, I was stunned when we renewed his deal maybe burton would like him back
Not so much of a free and frank discussion after all then, if there are consequences for saying what you think.
Point remains....by definition, it's ain't a "full and frank" discussion if some topics are off limits.Criticising formations, tactics is one thing, but once it becomes personal about individuals, it just snowball's and disintegrates a squad. You end up with well what about him and what about your mistake and you havent done any better (a bun fight); well known in sporting psychology circles. The focus should be on what the team/the group have and haven't done. Every squad member has strengths and weaknesses. Management is about bringing out the strengths and covering for the weaknesses. You should also be trying to develop people's skills.
I knew we should have saved it on Friday night so we could reload
So what's Beavon done to deserve being treated like shit?Bomb squad and make it that he can’t train with the team basically force him out
it’s an easy last payout
Surely common sense?Point remains....by definition, it's ain't a "full and frank" discussion if some topics are off limits.
I wouldn't have automatically said any topics are off limits.Surely common sense?
Point remains....by definition, it's ain't a "full and frank" discussion if some topics are off limits.
I wouldn't have automatically said any topics are off limits.
Why would he find somewhere else if he can't find another club who will pay him what we will?
So what's Beavon done to deserve being treated like shit?
Alternatively he's a good professional who sets a good example to younger players, who fans would have been utter mentalists to expect a regular goalscorer, based on his entire career.
But no, let's treat him like scum because he doesn't fit February's idea of a first team.
In its context it is. Full and frank as football managers talking to players goes. In anycase, what the fuck did Beavon have to do with the defeat on Saturday? Your supposition that he could be replaced with a "better player" is completely irrelevant.
Great people managementAnything we can do to force him out should be done and if he doesn’t go just banish him to train alone with no interaction with the players and offer him a pay off
It's not irrelevant because if we had a player in the squad who actually contributed something then maybe we could have fielded that player and they could have made a difference to the dynamic of the team and thus the performance and thus the result. It's not pointing the finger at Beavon, it's point the finger at the squad management that seems to allow for hanger-on in the squad who take up a valuable slot in the squad.
Have a day off. Lads I'm letting you off with today's performance because of a player who isn't in the squad.It's not irrelevant because if we had a player in the squad who actually contributed something then maybe we could have fielded that player and they could have made a difference to the dynamic of the team and thus the performance and thus the result. It's not pointing the finger at Beavon, it's point the finger at the squad management that seems to allow for hanger-on in the squad who take up a valuable slot in the squad.
Beavon is the same sort of player as McNulty, he isn't a target man who is going to beat defenders for flick ons.
Where do you think he will play and how?
See above. I didn't say I'd let anyone off the hook, but any discussion goes beyond the immediate gameplan/tactics/personnel used on the day.Have a day off. Lads I'm letting you off with today's performance because of a player who isn't in the squad.
It's a valid point to single somebody out, and to victimise him?I'm not making the point that SB ought to be playing. I'm saying that as part of the "full and frank" discussion, there are wider issues which ought to be raised which go well beyond the tactics / personnel used on the day and squad management is one of those. Personally I agree SB seems surplus to requirements. I was one of those right at the start of the season who said we had 1 more striker on the books than we needed, but we lacked an extra option out wide. So it's a valid point, as part of any such discussion, to say we're lacking creativity due to an oversight in squad management, leading to the tactic which you have repeatedly and rightly pointed out, of playing hopeful long balls to players not well equipped to play that way.
I'm not making the point that SB ought to be playing. I'm saying that as part of the "full and frank" discussion, there are wider issues which ought to be raised which go well beyond the tactics / personnel used on the day and squad management is one of those. Personally I agree SB seems surplus to requirements. I was one of those right at the start of the season who said we had 1 more striker on the books than we needed, but we lacked an extra option out wide. So it's a valid point, as part of any such discussion, to say we're lacking creativity due to an oversight in squad management, leading to the tactic which you have repeatedly and rightly pointed out, of playing hopeful long balls to players not well equipped to play that way.
It's a valid point to single somebody out, and to victimise him?
We have a veteran striker who has hardly played a first team game all season. Either make him a coach or let him go.
It's a valid point to single somebody out, and to victimise him?
Imagine this...
Robins storms in angry as fuck about the performance asking what went wrong, telling the players to tell him what they think what went wrong and get it all out.
Liam Kelly pipes up that it's because he gave Beavon a new contract rather than a midfielder who can create things. This is the same guy who every time he has come on this season we mistake him for Biamou and hammer it over his head.
You then have players who are close to Beavon who think "thats fucking stupid, stop being a twat Liam". Then another player pipes up.
I'd much rather a post mortem of the game on Saturday and FGR to try and be constructive and turn things around, otherwise we may as well let Willis slate K Thomas for staying here so long as a reason for him randomly running away from his man to go for a header.
I already said it's not a case of pointing the finger at the player, especially as he didn't play FFS. The only point I;m making is that we're down to the bare bones but had an obvious imbalance in the squad, which in itself is contributing to our limitations.
I do take your point but I was envisaging them discussing it in a manner as laid out in my reply to Deleted member 5849, above, rather than steaming at each other's throats. You can only have such conversations when tempers have calmed. I personally would think it legitimate, in the day after the Accrington game, for one of the players to say "boss I think our squad lacks another winger". That's all I am saying. They know for themselves that we have a limited squad budget and that at present we have some squad players who MR appears to judge to be surplus to requirements.
We can't let him go, he has a contract for 2 years (well, 1 and a half now). It will take a payoff....
The same as we can't just stop paying Andreu because he got injured to get somebody else in.
When we have played Beavon this year, we have never adjusted the style to suit. That's not saying he is Messi, it's saying it was pretty pointless.
Great people management
How do you adjust the style to suit him what are his strengths?
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