Formation no better than Thorn's diamond (11 Viewers)

[city old boy]

Pressley said we needed some width and pace so he brings that sort of player in then changes the system completely. I just don't see the logic

 

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[Otis]

Pressley said we needed some width and pace so he brings that sort of player in then changes the system completely. I just don't see the logic

Rather have someone willing to change though than someone completely intransigent.

Now be very interested to see now if things go wrong whether SP will change it again or not.

 

[junglej13]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly. It can work occasionally and against the better teams away from home it may prove a decent option. Generally speaking its awful to watch and against the lesser teams that fans think we should be beating we pose no threat. Once we concede the game is effectively lost.

Reminds me very much of when Coleman was in charge. The midfield is turgid, devoid of any pace or flair and has no goals in it. It seems we are attempting to win every game 1-0.

 

[Bob Latchford]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly. It can work occasionally and against the better teams away from home it may prove a decent option. Generally speaking its awful to watch and against the lesser teams that fans think we should be beating we pose no threat. Once we concede the game is effectively lost.

Reminds me very much of when Coleman was in charge. The midfield is turgid, devoid of any pace or flair and has no goals in it. It seems we are attempting to win every game 1-0.

Agreed.

 

[Grendel]

Here we go - first the Pressley signings thread and now this.

Its funny how my loyalty is questioned yet I predicted all along as soon as we were back at the Ricoh the Pressley out campaign would begin .

It's started by subliminal messaging. Its ill conceived.

I prey for a win Saturday.

 

[ccfcway]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly.

All depends of results. Being at the Ricoh will bring more pressure. Mearly "surviving" in League One will no longer be enough for CCFC, meaning we need to be at least challenging for play offs for Pressley to move the club forward.

A 4 year deal for the management team is a real step forward. Lets hope they can get us challenging within that time period. It might take the last of the 4 years to get us towards the play offs, but i fear, for some, that wont be soon enough

 

[ccfcway]

Here we go - first the Pressley signings thread and now this.

Surely if it was Anti Pressley it was also Anti Waggot ?.

It wasnt meant as a Pressley issue, it was mearly a list of players who have joined since he came and that would spark a debate about the quality of said players

 

[city old boy]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly. It can work occasionally and against the better teams away from home it may prove a decent option. Generally speaking its awful to watch and against the lesser teams that fans think we should be beating we pose no threat. Once we concede the game is effectively lost.

Reminds me very much of when Coleman was in charge. The midfield is turgid, devoid of any pace or flair and has no goals in it. It seems we are attempting to win every game 1-0.

Great post i was about to say very much the same Iv'e been to all the home games and basically its been boring even after 20 mins of the Gillingham game it went flat . I'm certain it won't bring the crowds flooding back and we all know it doesn't take long for City fans to show there disproval

 

[Grendel]

Great post i was about to say very much the same Iv'e been to all the home games and basically its been boring even after 20 mins of the Gillingham game it went flat . I'm certain it won't bring the crowds flooding back and we all know it doesn't take long for City fans to show there disproval

No they were howling for thorns blood weren't they?

 

[Kingokings204]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly. It can work occasionally and against the better teams away from home it may prove a decent option. Generally speaking its awful to watch and against the lesser teams that fans think we should be beating we pose no threat. Once we concede the game is effectively lost.

Reminds me very much of when Coleman was in charge. The midfield is turgid, devoid of any pace or flair and has no goals in it. It seems we are attempting to win every game 1-0.

Great post like the others have mentioned. The other problem in this system is you have to let the opposition have a certain amount of possession and the better teams will do more. If we don't score first we lose as the case both times the opposition have scored first we have lost the game. Funny that.

We have to score first and then hold one. How many 1-0 results this season? All well and good when it works but what when it doesn't?

We went down 1 nil after half hour yesterday and had an hour to get that goal back bar 1 chance that was never going to happen. Plan B or even use the 3-5-2 as plan B.

 

[skybluetony176]

Here we go - first the Pressley signings thread and now this.

Its funny how my loyalty is questioned yet I predicted all along as soon as we were back at the Ricoh the Pressley out campaign would begin .

It's started by subliminal messaging. Its ill conceived.

I prey for a win Saturday.

Stop being a drama queen. No one's said Presley out (well except you) and a few crack pots were saying it last season when we were at Suxfields so if anyone does say Presley out it's nothing new and it's nothing to do with being back at the Ricoh.

Genuine question and completely back on topic. Do you think the formation is working?

 

[Grendel]

Stop being a drama queen. No one's said Presley out (well except you) and a few crack pots were saying it last season when we were at Suxfields so if anyone does say Presley out it's nothing new and it's nothing to do with being back at the Ricoh.

Genuine question and completely back on topic. Do you think the formation is working?

I don't think 2 defeats mean it isn't.

We don't have the personnel to play a flat back four and two midfield holding players. We would be over-run and we don't have the luxury if goals for fun anymore.

 

[ccfcway]

We don't have the personnel to play a flat back four and two midfield holding players. We would be over-run and we don't have the luxury if goals for fun anymore.

He we go, first the 31 signings thread and now this

 

[Godiva]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly. It can work occasionally and against the better teams away from home it may prove a decent option. Generally speaking its awful to watch and against the lesser teams that fans think we should be beating we pose no threat. Once we concede the game is effectively lost.

I would say it very much depends on the players and their abilities to work the system and play their positions. Just like every systems, but as this is new to us we it must be blamed.
Last season our record against teams ending 14th-24th was W7 D6 W7. We didn't play 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 last season, did we?

Reminds me very much of when Coleman was in charge. The midfield is turgid, devoid of any pace or flair and has no goals in it. It seems we are attempting to win every game 1-0.

Well, it reminds me of when Ferguson took over at Man U. He set out to change almost everything and it took some time to work.

 

[stupot07]

Great post like the others have mentioned. The other problem in this system is you have to let the opposition have a certain amount of possession and the better teams will do more. If we don't score first we lose as the case both times the opposition have scored first we have lost the game. Funny that.

We have to score first and then hold one. How many 1-0 results this season? All well and good when it works but what when it doesn't?

We went down 1 nil after half hour yesterday and had an hour to get that goal back bar 1 chance that was never going to happen. Plan B or even use the 3-5-2 as plan B.

No more than any other formation, and if anything the 532/352 formation is all about making the pitch as big as possible to aid possession football. I


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[skybluetony176]

I don't think 2 defeats mean it isn't.

We don't have the personnel to play a flat back four and two midfield holding players. We would be over-run and we don't have the luxury if goals for fun anymore.

I sort of agree with you. Haven't seen the defeats in full the Yeovil game wasn't that bad, first half much better than the second but with the personnel we currently have we're limited on options with formations.

The truth is SP has always been a manager who (without getting into a debate of the why's and what's) has had to work with one hand tied behind his back.

It would be unfair to judge him too harshly until he's been given a fair crack of the whip.

 

[Kingokings204]

No more than any other formation, and if anything the 532/352 formation is all about making the pitch as big as possible to aid possession football. I


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Possibly. I won't disagree but this system doesn't let you attack as much as you say it's a possession system so as pointed out when we go 1 behind we have lost both times.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Nothing wrong with the 352 if played well, lots of teams in the lower divisions are having success with it. Just does my head in when we play it in a defensive way with no width from the wing backs and a midfield who can't score goals. It's fine margins in football, we lost two matches because of a red card and because of a penalty, with a bit more luck we could have got 4 points from the last 2 away games and we'd be talking about how amazing Pressley is.

2 home games now to put things right, a couple of good results at the Ricoh could propel us back up to 4/5th position and everything will be looking rosy again.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly. It can work occasionally and against the better teams away from home it may prove a decent option. Generally speaking its awful to watch and against the lesser teams that fans think we should be beating we pose no threat. Once we concede the game is effectively lost.

Reminds me very much of when Coleman was in charge. The midfield is turgid, devoid of any pace or flair and has no goals in it. It seems we are attempting to win every game 1-0.

Fleck and O'Brien were excellent against Gillingham and good against Yeovil, hardly turgid :facepalm:

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Nothing wrong with the 352 if played well, lots of teams in the lower divisions are having success with it. Just does my head in when we play it in a defensive way with no width from the wing backs and a midfield who can't score goals. It's fine margins in football, we lost two matches because of a red card and because of a penalty, with a bit more luck we could have got 4 points from the last 2 away games and we'd be talking about how amazing Pressley is.

2 home games now to put things right, a couple of good results at the Ricoh could propel us back up to 4/5th position and everything will be looking rosy again.

A sensible post thank god!

 

[percy]

nothing wrong with 352. if played right its very attack minded. we just aint quite got it right yet. i do prefer 442 myself as its a bit more rigid, however you can sometimes lose the midfield with quite a few teams putting an extra body in there.

 

[Mr pot]

We lost against Scunthorpe because of the sending off. We only lost to rochdale because of a penalty. We are missing reda johnson. Its wrong to judge SP based on the last 2 games.

I strongly agree though. It does feel that we are trying to win 1-0 all the time and is a bit dull. If we concede I have no belief of us scoring to retake the lead or reverse the decifit.

Preston is a big test. (Of my patience)

 

[Wheres Wally (and Fergie)]

Not a great fan of the system so far and not great to watch. Seen 5 games and 8 goals (5 in the Bradford game!) Accept though that it is still early days and lost last two games due to sending off and penalty. Could argue that lost at Bradford due to penalty as well. The problem is that we lack width and support to the strikers so will struggle to score goals. I see us at the moment as an average team but willing to give Pressley the benefit. I do believe that he has signed some good players over the summer and they will hopefully manage to make the system work. I do worry though that the midfield is lightweight and that we don't have the wing backs required, particularly on the right.

 

[Evo1883]

We dont all have to agree on wether we think the manager is the right man for the job .
its unrealistic to expect all fans to unite especially on this issue , after all the man hasnt got a great record , yes we can talk about sales , etc etc , but he works on the same shoestring as 95% of the managers in league 1 , he also didnt make any progress at falkirk in his spell at the club .
i have always said i dont think he is the right man , but i will back him whilst he is in charge .thats all we can do as supporters , i think the 4 year contract was a bit much as IMO if we finish below 9th , then we have gone backwards

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

You cannot compare any tatic employed by AT with SP, the reason is that SP has shown he can manage a football team and AT was a great scout of players

 

[Hobo]

Here we go - first the Pressley signings thread and now this.

Its funny how my loyalty is questioned yet I predicted all along as soon as we were back at the Ricoh the Pressley out campaign would begin .

It's started by subliminal messaging. Its ill conceived.

I prey for a win Saturday.

Your prediction was a bit late, they were phoning in for his head last season. Certain people can't see past the end of their nose or 4-4-2.

 

[Grendel]

You cannot compare any tatic employed by AT with SP, the reason is that SP has shown he can manage a football team and AT was a great scout of players

True. I wish we had Kevin Malaga, Stephen Elliot, Cody McDonald, David Bell, William edjuingele, Reece Brown and Adam Barton still here. Oh Barton still is - unfortunately.

 

[percy]

True. I wish we had Kevin Malaga, Stephen Elliot, Cody McDonald, David Bell, William edjuingele, Reece Brown and Adam Barton still here. Oh Barton still is - unfortunately.

true but the further down the pyramid you are the more you have to speculate regards talent

 

[junglej13]

I'll probably get slated for this but I think if Pressley persists with the 3-5-2 the fans could start calling for his head very quickly. It can work occasionally and against the better teams away from home it may prove a decent option. Generally speaking its awful to watch and against the lesser teams that fans think we should be beating we pose no threat. Once we concede the game is effectively lost.

Reminds me very much of when Coleman was in charge. The midfield is turgid, devoid of any pace or flair and has no goals in it. It seems we are attempting to win every game 1-0.

Not trying to be smug with this but I posted this 4 weeks ago. It is glaringly obvious to everyone the formation is an absolute disaster. Pressley needs to fucking change it. While he's at it go and get an experienced keeper on loan, and for fuck sake get a midfielder who might maybe have a shot or enter the penalty area.