I think the technology is way too advanced. Every newish ground is camera'd right up so everything is caught on camera.
Look at the guy who nicked the copper's hat and then tried to hide amongst the crowd.
If you whack somebody at a football ground isn't it a lot harsher punishment than if you did in a night club because of hooliganism too?
I do find the old school hooliganism interesting though. (puts the stone island jacket on and swaggers up and down)
To sum it up: Yes!
With Man Utd and other big clubs growing everyday with their fan base's, the smaller clubs fans seem to be finally getting pissed off, and with the youth of today, expect the worst..
I completely agree with all your post Nick, but if technology is so advanced than why didn't Saturday's vioclence at Wembley be sorted when it could of been not before the inevitable happened?
I haven't seen much of it so can't comment, but the pitch invader at the ricoh against crewe is a good example. It took the players to grab him before the people in orange actually did anything before he got to the pitch it wouldn't have happened.
I think it was Doncaster last year too when we got relegated, people were running on the pitch and the people in orange just stood there. One fella ran from block 15 to the telegraph stand and got back into the stand without being tackled.
Bad stewarding didn't help in our cases and I don't think health and safety laws are helping much, why shouldn't the police give you a whack if you are being a cock?
You are absolutely deluded if you think that hooliganism will ever return to what it was like in the 70's and 80's.
The fact that these two incidents have been highlighted so much when they would not have even raised an eye brow back then tells you exactly what you need to know about FV in this day and age.
Obviously in the 1970's & 1980's this was a huge thing, but after Sunday's Tyne-Wear derby, Saturday's FA Cup Semi-Final and with a increase in idiotic Football fans (Not all Football fans), could the 70' & 80's be revisited?
I wanted to highlight today's youth, but it is a minority not the majority and most youngsters I see at the Ricoh are well behaved, but it only takes a few to get something started, I do agree with you though SBB I think we could go back to those day's, what actions are really in place nowadays to stop these issues inside grounds? More policing? Doesn't mean that will resolve things!
Were you born in 1990?
No, the Millwall incident was an internal dispute, it just happened to be played out in front of a tv audience.
The Newcastle one is circumstantial.
I think unless you were around back in the day you wouldn't know what it was like, I wasn't so don't know how bad it was.
I do remember being about 16 in a line for a ticket a HR when we played Sheffield United when one fella ran up and completely knocked the fella behind me out and then legged it. That is about as close as I have seen it.
Apart from the usual bellends who shout come on then and run (city fans against millwall) or the bus incident against preston when again the city bellends legged it from an old boy.
I would like to say you're very clever, but I feel my user name highlights this clearly, but the answer is a yes.
I realise the difference between the two, I suppose I can't comment on what it was like back in the 70's and 80's because I wasn't around, but my question would of been is there any chance that people might think this might hinder a potential of new generation of fans?
That did make me laugh in the context of your year of birthToday's youth
That did make me laugh in the context of your year of birth
Yes well like I said many fans of my age know how to behave themselves and do accordingly, there are a few though who don't and think this sort of violence is big and hard! I am probably considered due to my age, to be in today's youth, but thankfully I do not act like some people of my age.
The Millwall one was an argument over a seat or something stupid like that, than then escalated. Unless you have a steward standing next to every person you are never going to be able to stop it.Highlighted doesn't mean stopped though Garrison? If more than one idiot had decided to run on the pitch when City played Crewe, could you have seen the trouble being put it out efficiently by the stewards? I don't think I could..
The Millwall one was an argument over a seat or something stupid like that, than then escalated. Unless you have a steward standing next to every person you are never going to be able to stop it.
In the same context as your example against Crewe, unless you have an overwhelming amount of stewards and police you would never be able to stop it if masses decided to charge on the pitch. Fact is that in this day and age it is highly and I mean highly unlikely that it would happen. This is why both the football club and the police have high risk games and low risk games to take these things into account.
Surely the stewards are there to watch the crowd though and the bit between the stand and the advertising board is like no mans land? Surely if they see a fan jump onto there they should be watching the fans so should spot it and stop them?
It doesn't help that at the ricoh 75% of them are way too unfit and overweight and couldn't catch a cold.
The rule should be that if you step onto that no mans land without permission you should have play british bulldog to get past the stewards who happen to be cage fighters, then if you get past them it should be the pack of dogs.
That would make it entertaining.
The rule should be that if you step onto that no mans land without permission you should have play british bulldog to get past the stewards who happen to be cage fighters, then if you get past them it should be the pack of dogs.
That would make it entertaining.
We can look at all the specifics in every situation & hypothesise on all the general issues involved too but we come back to the same AGE OLD natural tendency for tribal instinct (yes - even within groups of the same Club's fans), testosterone, alcohol-fuelled bravado & safety in numbers. It is & has long been a societal problem across age, education, class, social standing do not seem to enter into it. They want to be associated with football because of its profile - & equally weak-minded individuals can be found more easily. Bit like town/city centres most Friday/Saturday nights.
Absolutely, I am not sure it can ever be stamped out, but could it ever get worse? I suppose we all wonder that glorious question..
Maybe the bloke thought it was his wife he was punching?
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