MMM i fear you are going to be disappointed
Are people still going on about Collins? If he REALLY wanted to come he would have waited a couple of days until the Embargo was up. I am pretty sure he got a better package at Swindon...
That's not the point Nick. If you read the editorial surrounding the move, he stated he got fed up of waiting and then got a call from Swindon.
He shouldn't have to wait for a transfer embargo to be lifted - ignoring all other suitors - until he can join our club when he has a choice of others.
The fact that he did wait, and then got the call from Swindon meant that Thorn was not able to secure his number one target. That, you have to agree, is a limitation upon Thorn, or any manager for that matter as we don't want to personalise this to Thorn, doing his job the way he would wish. As such, SISU's actions prohibited him doing his job as freely as he wanted.
Waggott would have been acutely aware of these limitations, and as such, I feel a touch of duplicity tinges his subsequent actions and comments
at faggot and wisher...
"as development director and chief executive respectively... Please can you explain your credentials to maintain these positions. Since your tenure in these roles the club has been relegated a division, has no manager ,is in significant dispute with its landlords, and shows no sign of recovery, financial or other, none of which can be viewed as endorsements on your next cv's... On this basis we the fans have no confidence in you as a management team and would call for your instant resignations"...
Your reaction please?
At Faggot and Wisher...
"As Development Director and Chief Executive respectively... please can you explain your credentials to maintain these positions. Since your tenure in these roles the club has been relegated a division, has no manager ,is in significant dispute with its landlords, and shows no sign of recovery, financial or other, none of which can be viewed as endorsements on your next CV's... on this basis we the fans have no confidence in you as a management team and would call for your instant resignations"...
your reaction please?
Not what he told BBC Wiltshire old boy: "Coventry's my hometown and it would have been a honour to play for them. But we know they're in embargo difficulties...."I've heard from a reliable source that Collins never wanted to come here after the way the club treated him before he signed for Villa...
Not what he told BBC Wiltshire old boy: "Coventry's my hometown and it would have been a honour to play for them. But we know they're in embargo difficulties...."
But let's not get hung up on Collins; David Syers was the other name on Thorn's wish list - but who plumped for Doncaster with us in embargo.
The point I'm making is that the embargo prohibited the club from signing the manager's players of choice. Waggott - knowing it was his job to deliver such players, and being unable to do so until late in June - would have been aware of the frustrations of losing such prime choices, and therefore the effect of SISU's policy on any given manager and his ability to do his job. For him then to sit pious as judge and jury thereafter strikes me a touch of hypocrisy.
If I were Thorn - and I'm not condoning this, but giving a illustration, I'd consider going public with my thoughts with regards my prime targets being missed, and looking at Collins 3 goals so far this term, and Syers 2 - as well as 4 assists between them - I'd ask if they could have turned one of those three league draws into a win? And if so, wondering if I'd still have got the sack. But he hasn't - hence 'question 1'.....
Andy Thorn is probably still on the payroll and being paid as an employee until a certain date so to come out bellyaching about Fisher, sisu or whoever would probably earn him instant dismisal and cost him, Fisher would just deny it
Andy Thorn is probably still on the payroll and being paid as an employee until a certain date so to come out bellyaching about Fisher, sisu or whoever would probably earn him instant dismisal and cost him, Fisher would just deny it
Mr Fisher. In April of this year we went into the Peterborough home game out of the bottom 3 for the first time in months and with only 6 games to go an injection of one or two loans players may have helped save the day. This wasn't acted upon despite the fact you employed an old friend Steve Waggott to help Andy Thorn secure some players. Why was this not done, why did you feel fit to employ a friend rather than a fotballer and was relegation part of the sisu survival plan, to reduce wages etc, etc. And last but not least why when some local business men offered to fund the cost of a couple of loans was this offer dismissed by YOU
Mr Fisher. In April of this year we went into the Peterborough home game out of the bottom 3 for the first time in months and with only 6 games to go an injection of one or two loans players may have helped save the day. This wasn't acted upon despite the fact you employed an old friend Steve Waggott to help Andy Thorn secure some players. Why was this not done, why did you feel fit to employ a friend rather than a fotballer and was relegation part of the sisu survival plan, to reduce wages etc, etc. And last but not least why when some local business men offered to fund the cost of a couple of loans was this offer dismissed by YOU
I'd like to know why they feel now is the right time to host a fans' forum when they're supposed to be making one of the most important managerial appointments in recent years. :thinking about:
I very much hope Thursday evening isn't characterised by the usual anodyne questions from the normal suspects. In order to understand the thought process of those at the very top of the club, there are some proper answers I'd like to hear answered honestly, instead of vague platitudes and/or a party political conference message.
Any 'searching' questions you'd like posed? Mine would include:
1) Thorn appears magnanimous since leaving the club. Has he been subject to a pay-off linked to his silence? If so, why?
2) The CET reported that Thorn's main two transfer targets, including James Collins, couldn't join the club due to the transfer embargo. Mr Waggott, knowing how SISU's restrictions surrounding the club prohibited your ability to do your job properly, do you feel any unease with regards your role in judging another similarly effected employee's performance?
3) If your trust in Andy Thorn was so gossamer-thin as to be exhausted after 3 unbeaten games; what was the point of starting the season with him?
We were out of the bottom three on the 31st of March following our win at Hull and the previous week beating Portsmouth put us on the verge of climbing out of the relegation spots. What date did the window close then ?The loan window closed at the end of March...
I think you're right here BSB ,Its more the timeline of the recruitment of manager thats lagging ,maybe when they announced the forum the envisaged having him in place.:facepalm:Just strikes me as poor time management Wingy when holding the forum with the new manager present makes a lot more sense and doesn't detract from a more pressing matter.
I think you're right here BSB ,Its more the timeline of the recruitment of manager thats lagging ,maybe when they announced the forum the envisaged having him in place.:facepalm:
I'd wager they were expecting Shaw to win both the league games and have more of an excuse to hire him quickly.
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