Fans back in stadia by Xmas? (5 Viewers)

robbiethemole · Nov 24, 2020

I would think only us 3,500 "superfans" will be allowed in first, with conditions, 1, you must wear a mask 2, you must sanitise before and after
the game
3, you must wear your limited edition shirt 4, you must be able to show your name on it 5, it must fit you correctly 6, you must be prepared to catch the virus if you attend. Probably ifollow for now for me.

Sbarcher · Nov 24, 2020

robbiethemole said:
I would think only us 3,500 "superfans" will be allowed in first, with conditions, 1, you must wear a mask 2, you must sanitise before and after
the game
3, you must wear your limited edition shirt 4, you must be able to show your name on it 5, it must fit you correctly 6, you must be prepared to catch the virus if you attend. Probably ifollow for now for me.

After lockdown, there is no way No 5 can be met - we are all bursting out of our already tight synthetic shirts.

SBT · Nov 24, 2020

Skyblueweeman said:
I get your logic but I just cant see them letting in home fans of 91 clubs and not ours. There'd be outrage! (from us at least which would be totally justified).

There are very real downsides to not having your own stadium in your own city, like it or not. Not all of them are obvious, but this is likely to be one of them.

Skyblue_CP · Nov 24, 2020

There's hardly any point imo, rules will be put in place to stop people singing or shouting etc, sit and clap if we score. Basically iradicates the point of even being there.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Nov 24, 2020

Skyblue_CP said:
There's hardly any point imo, rules will be put in place to stop people singing or shouting etc, sit and clap if we score. Basically iradicates the point of even being there.

While I fully agree it won't be the experience it once was, am I the only one goes to football primarily to watch football?

Macca · Nov 24, 2020

Leave your relatives to die of loneliness and spend the afternoon with 2000 strangers instead, boom. Boris you win cuntystrategybingo again

Frostie · Nov 24, 2020

Skyblue_CP said:
There's hardly any point imo, rules will be put in place to stop people singing or shouting etc, sit and clap if we score. Basically iradicates the point of even being there.

chiefdave · Nov 24, 2020

Think we all know that sitting outdoors and maintaining social distancing has been safe for months yet they've insisted it not go ahead.

To make the change now seems the worst possible time. We're coming out of a lockdown and need to ensure numbers don't go back up and we also have Christmas where we seem to be relying on people to use their common sense, a terrifying prospect at the best of times, to stop the numbers shooting back up.

How can you tell people you shouldn't go and see your family for Christmas but its now safe to go to the football? And it seems its not just outdoor events, according to Sky "The PDC will begin planning for fans to return to darts in the UK after confirming Alexandra Palace as the venue for the 2020-21 PDC World Darts Championship which starts on December 15".

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 24, 2020

Kilclines curly mullet said:
We have season tickets but travel from Hampshire...I wonder how / if that will be monitored / checked

I hadn't even considered that tbh but it's a fair point. Don't travel unless you have to, watch a football game?

edgy · Nov 24, 2020

Macca said:
Leave your relatives to die of loneliness and spend the afternoon with 2000 strangers instead, boom. Boris you win cuntystrategybingo again

Conveniently ignoring the bigger news from yesterday that we can get together with loved ones at Xmas, just to bash the PM. There's plenty to bash him with, but this is just nonsense.

chiefdave · Nov 24, 2020

edgy said:
Conveniently ignoring the bigger news from yesterday that we can get together with loved ones at Xmas, just to bash the PM. There's plenty to bash him with, but this is just nonsense.

Where have you seen confirmation of the rules in place at Xmas? Hancock has just told a select committee he doesn't know what they will be yet and there's a cobra meeting scheduled for this afternoon to discuss it.

Skyblue_CP · Nov 24, 2020

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
While I fully agree it won't be the experience it once was, am I the only one goes to football primarily to watch football?

I agree, obviously i do go just to primarily watch the match, but just a shame about the lack if experience as it were.

edgy · Nov 24, 2020

chiefdave said:
Where have you seen confirmation of the rules in place at Xmas? Hancock has just told a select committee he doesn't know what they will be yet and there's a cobra meeting scheduled for this afternoon to discuss it.

No confirmation, but I very much doubt it would've been mentioned if it wasnt on the cards. We'll have to wait an see, but it would be a major own goal for it to be hinted at and then not happen.

chiefdave · Nov 24, 2020

Skyblue_CP said:
I agree, obviously i do go just to primarily watch the match, but just a shame about the lack if experience as it were.

If you sat near the half way line at the Ricoh you'd be used to no singing or clapping.

Macca · Nov 24, 2020

edgy said:
Conveniently ignoring the bigger news from yesterday that we can get together with loved ones at Xmas, just to bash the PM. There's plenty to bash him with, but this is just nonsense.

Up to 6, if you are lucky. Sorry I can’t see any logic in it. He chooses to allow this now of all times when we are told we are at a pivotal point. Doesn’t make sense

Macca · Nov 24, 2020

Perhaps we should take some time out and just be happy for this

Skybluefaz · Nov 24, 2020

Macca said:
Perhaps we should take some time out and just be happy for this

Oh its a thing of beauty, like Pam Doove and Rowley Birkin mixed into one.

Macca · Nov 24, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
Oh its a thing of beauty, like Pam Doove and Rowley Birkin mixed into one.

it’s the palpable relief when he gets one he knows

Cranfield Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2020

I haven’t laughed so much in ages! Thank you @Macca

BornSlippySkyBlue · Nov 24, 2020

With regards to the infection rate in Birmingham the ZOE data (for those familiar) which estimates the current cases based on people self-reporting symptoms / tests and then extrapolating an estimate shows that currently Coventry has a higher rate than Birmingham. This might not be be reflected in the ‘official data’ due to the nature of the way they report them. You can argue it isn’t accurate, but then again it avoids any data manipulation or ‘careful use of statistics (cough).

Also Birmingham was in tier 2 before, nobody knows what it will be in after lockdown ends, and there were suggestions at the weekend that they might use a regional approach (so West Midlands), but that seems to have gone quiet again so maybe the leaks to the press changed

No idea what that means for fans in grounds, but at present Birmingham doesn’t appear to be much worse (if at all) than Coventry. Depending where you get your data from. I guess it’s the ‘mass’ travelling they will want to avoid, but I’m pretty sure more than a couple of thousand people from Cov work in brum anyway so...

KenilworthSkyBlue · Nov 25, 2020

As I said yesterday, this has been carelessly thought out on a number of fronts, including the fact that fans back in stadiums doesn't necessarily equate to money in the coffers.

Fans' return will not be cash bonanza many EFL clubs are hoping for

Some lower league clubs believe they will be out of pocket if they admit small pockets of supporters

www.theguardian.com

bawtryneal · Nov 25, 2020

Another factor is Business Interruption Insurance. Some clubs are lucky enough to have it linked to "resilience wording" through pandemic insurance cover. They do not want low number crowds back.

baldy · Nov 25, 2020

Some airlines now telling customers they have to have the forthcoming injection if they want to fly with them...it’s all a load of manipulative shit
Say if you don’t want/need the vaccine?

Paxman II · Nov 25, 2020

baldy said:
Some airlines now telling customers they have to have the forthcoming injection if they want to fly with them...it’s all a load of manipulative shit
Say if you don’t want/need the vaccine?

The vaccine is not the golden ticket. It has a long way to go to be proven effective, most likely years. In the short term those who want it should get it and those who don't be at liberty not to. We do not want a repeat of the thalidomide fracas from the early 60's.
For airlines to demand it I doubt is allowable under any law though perhaps a test certificate of some sort might fly (excuse the pun) to prove you are clear, which seems more reasonable.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 25, 2020

baldy said:
Say if you don’t want/need the vaccine?

You don't fly with them.

baldy · Nov 26, 2020

Paxman II said:
The vaccine is not the golden ticket. It has a long way to go to be proven effective, most likely years. In the short term those who want it should get it and those who don't be at liberty not to. We do not want a repeat of the thalidomide fracas from the early 60's.
For airlines to demand it I doubt is allowable under any law though perhaps a test certificate of some sort might fly (excuse the pun) to prove you are clear, which seems more reasonable.

Qantas to only accept passengers who have had coronavirus vaccine | The Independent

Paxman II · Nov 26, 2020

baldy said:
Qantas to only accept passengers who have had coronavirus vaccine | The Independent

I'll bet with you they will reverse that intial decision/statement.

fernandopartridge · Nov 26, 2020

Paxman II said:
I'll bet with you they will reverse that intial decision/statement.

Doubt it very much, why do you think they've made such a decision?

David O'Day · Nov 26, 2020

Paxman II said:
The vaccine is not the golden ticket. It has a long way to go to be proven effective, most likely years. In the short term those who want it should get it and those who don't be at liberty not to. We do not want a repeat of the thalidomide fracas from the early 60's.
For airlines to demand it I doubt is allowable under any law though perhaps a test certificate of some sort might fly (excuse the pun) to prove you are clear, which seems more reasonable.

so it's football, us politics and vaccines you talk shit about then

David O'Day · Nov 26, 2020

BornSlippySkyBlue said:
With regards to the infection rate in Birmingham the ZOE data (for those familiar) which estimates the current cases based on people self-reporting symptoms / tests and then extrapolating an estimate shows that currently Coventry has a higher rate than Birmingham. This might not be be reflected in the ‘official data’ due to the nature of the way they report them. You can argue it isn’t accurate, but then again it avoids any data manipulation or ‘careful use of statistics (cough).

Also Birmingham was in tier 2 before, nobody knows what it will be in after lockdown ends, and there were suggestions at the weekend that they might use a regional approach (so West Midlands), but that seems to have gone quiet again so maybe the leaks to the press changed

No idea what that means for fans in grounds, but at present Birmingham doesn’t appear to be much worse (if at all) than Coventry. Depending where you get your data from. I guess it’s the ‘mass’ travelling they will want to avoid, but I’m pretty sure more than a couple of thousand people from Cov work in brum anyway so...

the zoe data while useful is not really any proper kind of marker. on the data they will use birmingham is far worse than coventry

BornSlippySkyBlue · Nov 26, 2020

David O'Day said:
the zoe data while useful is not really any proper kind of marker. on the data they will use birmingham is far worse than coventry

Yeah, realise it’s not the data they use. As an attempt to capture data missed by not testing everyone it has its uses. Current upper tier data for comparison:

Birmingham 352.2/100k (ZOE 905.7) Coventry 211.3/100k (ZOE 738.7)

The ZOE data is probably closer to reality but isn’t particularly useful on a daily comparison basis as it fluctuates quite a bit.

clint van damme · Nov 26, 2020

David O'Day said:
so it's football, us politics and vaccines you talk shit about then

nah, it's everything.

Paxman II · Nov 26, 2020

David O'Day said:
so it's football, us politics and vaccines you talk shit about then

OK. So I said fans back in stadia by Xmas. Was that shit?
I said a 1-0 win v Cardiff. Was that shit?
And if you think I'm talking shit about vaccines then you need an education, so stop talking shit.

David O'Day · Nov 26, 2020

BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Yeah, realise it’s not the data they use. As an attempt to capture data missed by not testing everyone it has its uses. Current upper tier data for comparison:

Birmingham 352.2/100k (ZOE 905.7) Coventry 211.3/100k (ZOE 738.7)

The ZOE data is probably closer to reality but isn’t particularly useful on a daily comparison basis as it fluctuates quite a bit.

I didn't say they use the Zoe data and good as the Zoe data overstates cases massively as people feel ill and report the symptoms and thus it is counted as a case when it is likely to be a cold.

A mixture of pilar 1, 2 and 4 plus hospital admissions and icu capacity are the best measures

David O'Day · Nov 26, 2020

Paxman II said:
OK. So I said fans back in stadia by Xmas. Was that shit?
I said a 1-0 win v Cardiff. Was that shit?
And if you think I'm talking shit about vaccines then you need an education, so stop talking shit.

Yes you talk shit all the time, it's a running joke on here.

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