Either someone's not asking the right people or the right questions.
Terminology, it's companies working on behalf of the owners not the owners who are making the inquiries.
So under FOI, just perhaps someone's being evasive?
The way the FOI requests were worded covered all possibilities so if something is happening the responses aren't evasive they would be outright lies and if councils have been lying in FOI responses they could be in trouble.
It won't short term, that's for sure.
Long term however, there's more chance of seeing flexibility in council budgets if the lobby group for the club is bigger and more united.
Longer term there's more chance of a half decent owner wanting to buy us if they can see a larger and more united fan group.
What amazes me on here is how many seemingly sane (? debatable maybe!) people resort to the base line of pigeonholing. Nowt wrong with having an opinion one way or another, nowt wrong about arguing with that opinion (this is t'intenet after all, and where would we be without arguing!) but the mindless bollocks of pre-pubescent skybluetalkers on heat is becoming astounding in its execution!
Wouldn't mind if we hadn't done everything to death countless times, and it's pretty obvious who's set fair for what course...
So, beyond that, fan unity gets over that, and allows us to remember there is at least a point in following our team! Not like we chose 'em for the success after all, is it?
If the coming march gets decent numbers than the major players at least see that, even if it's for their own ends, fans are stakeholders who must be considered in some sense. If it ends up the Trust board and the Trust board's cats, along with the bloke who used to take his clothes off in public (Vincent Bethall?) then we're truly fucked.
If you take a look at 'Nick's original reply "nothing the fans do will make any difference", therefore the proposed march is futile.
If you take a look at 'Nick's original reply "nothing the fans do will make any difference", therefore the proposed march is futile.
I'm not allowed to disagree with Nick then?
If you take a look at 'Nick's original reply "nothing the fans do will make any difference", therefore the proposed march is futile.
Either someone's not asking the right people or the right questions.
Terminology, it's companies working on behalf of the owners not the owners who are making the inquiries.
So under FOI, just perhaps someone's being evasive?
It won't short term, that's for sure.
Long term however, there's more chance of seeing flexibility in council budgets if the lobby group for the club is bigger and more united.
Longer term there's more chance of a half decent owner wanting to buy us if they can see a larger and more united fan group.
What amazes me on here is how many seemingly sane (? debatable maybe!) people resort to the base line of pigeonholing. Nowt wrong with having an opinion one way or another, nowt wrong about arguing with that opinion (this is t'intenet after all, and where would we be without arguing!) but the mindless bollocks of pre-pubescent skybluetalkers on heat is becoming astounding in its execution!
Wouldn't mind if we hadn't done everything to death countless times, and it's pretty obvious who's set fair for what course...
So, beyond that, fan unity gets over that, and allows us to remember there is at least a point in following our team! Not like we chose 'em for the success after all, is it?
If the coming march gets decent numbers than the major players at least see that, even if it's for their own ends, fans are stakeholders who must be considered in some sense. If it ends up the Trust board and the Trust board's cats, along with the bloke who used to take his clothes off in public (Vincent Bethall?) then we're truly fucked.
Like the last march? I'm not being deliberately difficult NW... I think until this war is over we are merely onlookers. This is about business, egos and hard cash and its bitter, spiteful and to the death. When it is over and rebuilding can begin, then whoever holds power will be more inclined to consider us as customers.
Blockade the area around the Ricoh when a concert is on.
Indeed like the last one
But you won't see instant results, and you certainly won't when the last one is then followed by a few blokes underneath a Hungry Horse sign (NOPM FOR A FRY-UP!), bugger all people on the hill for Sheff Utd, sod all people outside the council house, and three men and a McChicken Sandwich outside SISU's headquarters.
Every now and again there's a fleeting moment of success, something that momentum can be built on - the first march was one, the Arsenal effort was another... unfortunately it then gets reduced to shouty bllocks straight after so all momentum is lost, and the large middle ground of passive concerned onlookers are turned off even trying to show they care!
I agree with you we ultimately won't change certain decisions (is why I think the split into NOPM and scab Sixfield Scum is particularly unhelpful) but there can be other aims, that set us up to be as strong as possible once the game moves on elsewhere.
But there's an absence of pressure, full-stop, so nobody needs to justify themselves.
And if I genuinely believed that 999 other people would turn up outside FL HQ to be heard, I would b there!
Good point. They are a Premiership team though and that matters. A lot. Imagine if Liverpool or Utd were moved. Wouldn't be allowed, would it? Little old Cov though? Shame. Tut, tut, etc etc. I think a few Hull ST holders voted for it, didn't they?
Personally, I believe all the press articles and bad publicity and journalists tut tutting regarding our situation won't change a thing. Only SISU and CCC can make a difference.
And this is why things like the coming march are important. I'm with you, I'd be down the football league too... as long as I could be reassured it wasn't just the two of us! Nowt personalbut we wouldn't a protest make.
Numbers equals visibility, and pricks consciences in some sense. I'm not convinced a repeat march would be anything other than yesterday's news (don't overdo ideas) but I will do my utmost to be there, as the messag being emphasised is non partisan, and despite everything... I do care, and it's important it's a success in terms of the numbers.
Why, after all, should anybody even try to have a football club in the city, if the message given out is apathy?
Why would it? What evidence is there apart from "well, it would, wouldn't it" statements from those such as yourselves? I presume that as long as the fixtures are completed then why would they care?
Northern, the problem with your post is that if everyone thought like that then everyone would stay at home and nothing would be achieved as far as making a statement.
No evidence that it wouldn't either, so as 90% stay away, it would be easier to get the 10% to do the right thing and stay away for one game and find out.
Indeed. But then it's the track record that needs changing, and the thought that goes into it, isn't it?
Take last season and the Sheff Utd game. Didn;t work out in terms of numbers as hoped, did it? So then you have to work against that perception from then on, there's inertia to get over.
Here's a chance to get over that inertia, coming up.
And a scattergun approach to protests is maybe not the best. An ordered, specific structure where things are in place for months down the line and can build up to them would maximise the chances of people turning out...
Now that's not the same as disrespecting those who were outside the council house, or those who go on the hill week in, week out. But... sometimes the well-intentioned thing may be fine, but it'd be useful to step back and not rush in hoping to catch something in a spray of bullets. The absolute worst thing that could happen in the immediate future, is because the candidate standing in the council elections seems a rushed and hastily put together idea, sod all people vote for them. If that happens, where's the mandate? Now you may say take a leap of faith, but I'd also say only take the leap of faith if there's time to plan it properly. I appreciate that'sa fine and subjective line, but that campaign and others needs time to build towards it, and inspire confidence.
Nor does that make me always rightWas convinced the Arsenal effort would be a damp squib, but it wasn't.
And yes, bog all people may turn out to this season's march. However, it's had more npotice than most thing, and it's been careful to plough a message most can get behind. I'd say that maximises its chances, and makes it worth backing as a leap of faith.
And if it goes well... future events become easier.
Does your post hint you'd like some help organising something to do with the football league, btw?I reckon if some kind of plan for the start of next season was in place to be launched after this march is out the way, it'd stand a chance...
It's obvious (like last year) there will be calls for SISU out etc and maybe calls against the council and or ACL but I ain't gonna lose any sleep over that. It's about fans getting together as a body to show as many people who will listen that our situation is ludicrous. If it falls on it's arse it won't be for the want and will of a few people trying.
Why would it? What evidence is there apart from "well, it would, wouldn't it" statements from those such as yourselves? I presume that as long as the fixtures are completed then why would they care?
I think we all need to step back before we can march forward together. Being antagonistic towards each other does not help our situation.
Nothing at all, the fans have no power to do anything in all of this.
No evidence that it wouldn't either, so as 90% stay away, it would be easier to get the 10% to do the right thing and stay away for one game and find out.
Think what I'm trying to say is that 1500 to 2000 city fans do attend sixfields, they are City fans and I'm sure the majority want to be back in Cov (and or Ricoh) that unites pretty much all of us. That's what we should be taking a step back for. Lose the labels.Not quite sure how to express this properly so i hope you get what I mean but I think the fan unity thing is a bit of a red herring in that the vast majority of fans are united and it is those at the extremes, the rival spin machines, and the media who for different reasons have sought to define fans as being divided between supporting acl or sisu, going to sixfields or not, etc etc. If that was true then when we were at the Earlsdon Festival one person would have come to the stall saying it's all acl's fault, the next would have said it's all sisu's fault, then another acl critic followed by a sisu critic and so on. It might have been interspersed with a 'sixfielder', 'hiller', 'boycotter' and all the other things that get chucked out around. But the Earlsdon Festival like every other event I've done simply isn't like that. I keep repeating the 'acl have questions to answer but sisu are primarily to blame etc' line because doing leafleting etc these last 2/3 months that's what you hear from an absolutely overwhelming majority of people.
I think we all need to step back before we can march forward together. Being antagonistic towards each other does not help our situation.
I don't support any of them either, but it only seems to be our owners who keep talking about 'announcing things shortly' and '3 weeks' etc. to be fair.
This is the other side of things isn't it, what does being divided bring to us as fans. There are a number of fans sick to the back teeth of all the bickering, this will only serve to push some of them away from the club whether temporarily or for good. Unity may help keep us together.
You're right blend, when I see the bickering on these threads I just stop reading them and I'm sure I'm not alone. But each to his/ her own, what do I know. I do know I have no right to tell folk how to conduct themselves and nor would I want to
Yeah, got the same feeling on the day as you did Michael. But ultimately, this is only a message board and people can be whoever they want to be. I'm sure most, if not all of us are rather more reserved in "real life"I knew I wasn't explaining it very well. What I'm trying to get at is on here it's all argument and division, the media regularly talk about division but with all those people who came to the stall on Monday there was no division or arguing at all and that's what I constantly experience. I'd also say that in the 'real world' there is no division between people who do/don't go to sixfields. I know plenty of people who've been but are every bit as opposed to playing there an anyone else is. I'm actually really proud of how City fans have handled themselves. Apart from tiny minorities at the extremes the vast majority are not divided. Look at the way people behave at away games. Apart from a bit of verbals at Preston I don't think there's been a cross word and certainly never a punch thrown. Some people make it sound like everyone's at each others throats but that just isn't true - apart from on here perhaps!
I knew I wasn't explaining it very well. What I'm trying to get at is on here it's all argument and division, the media regularly talk about division but with all those people who came to the stall on Monday there was no division or arguing at all and that's what I constantly experience. I'd also say that in the 'real world' there is no division between people who do/don't go to sixfields. I know plenty of people who've been but are every bit as opposed to playing there an anyone else is. I'm actually really proud of how City fans have handled themselves. Apart from tiny minorities at the extremes the vast majority are not divided. Look at the way people behave at away games. Apart from a bit of verbals at Preston I don't think there's been a cross word and certainly never a punch thrown. Some people make it sound like everyone's at each others throats but that just isn't true - apart from on here perhaps!
What it would do is bring on the demise of our club which would most likely be wound-up, we'd no longer exist! THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO MOAN & COMPLAIN ABOUT, would'nt you?
6 miles last month, 9 miles this.
By the end of the year it might still just be in the UK.
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