Fan set to sue the Police (1 Viewer)
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A SKY Blues fan is planning to sue the police over his arrest, which he claims caused a mass brawl at the Ricoh Arena last season.
Mark Wynn’s arrest in Singer’s Corner at the Championship clash with Derby County saw up to 70 Coventry City fans intervene. Police officers who were dragging him from the stand were then attacked.
West Midlands Police is now investigating the conduct of officers who were then kicked, punched and spat at as they were forced down to pitchside – along with Mr Wynn.
It comes after Mr Wynn, 45, won his appeal against a conviction for using language likely to cause distress at the crown court in Leamington just over a week ago.
Mr Wynn, 45, served a year of a three-year banning order preventing him going to any football matches or inside a city centre ‘exclusion zone’ on matchdays.
The father-of-two of Egret Walk, Alderman’s Green, was arrested after an argument with an officer not wearing his ID badge at the live televised game last September.
“There wouldn’t have been a riot if the officer had stuck to force policy and Home Office guidelines by having his badge number on display,” Mr Wynn said.
“Then I wouldn’t have picked him up on it, he wouldn’t have nicked me and the fans wouldn’t have tried to stop me getting kicked out.
“That officer shouldn’t have been on duty and his commanding officer should have sent him home to get correctly dressed. That incident was purely the responsibility of West Midlands Police.”
After preparing evidence for a three day trial, Mr Wynn – who claims he suffered a black eye and bruising over his upper body at the game – was told the Crown Prosecution Service had decided not to contest his case after new evidence came to light.
The judge presiding over the case a week last Friday told the CPS Mr Wynn deserved to be told why the case against him had suddenly collapsed.
The CPS only revealed that the case “has been reviewed at a senior level”.
Mr Wynn, who is being backed by the Football Supporters Federation, added: “They didn’t want evidence coming up in court that would show them in a bad light so they just threw in the towel.
“What evidence are they trying to suppress?
“We’re looking at civil action now once all the evidence comes out. Then we’ll see if we can sue West Midlands Police.’’
A spokesman for the force said: “West Midlands Police acknowledges the decision of the court.
“The complaint will now be reviewed by the force’s Professional Standards Department and any matters in relation to misconduct of officers will form part of this investigation.”
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Mark Wynn’s arrest in Singer’s Corner at the Championship clash with Derby County saw up to 70 Coventry City fans intervene. Police officers who were dragging him from the stand were then attacked.
West Midlands Police is now investigating the conduct of officers who were then kicked, punched and spat at as they were forced down to pitchside – along with Mr Wynn.
It comes after Mr Wynn, 45, won his appeal against a conviction for using language likely to cause distress at the crown court in Leamington just over a week ago.
Mr Wynn, 45, served a year of a three-year banning order preventing him going to any football matches or inside a city centre ‘exclusion zone’ on matchdays.
The father-of-two of Egret Walk, Alderman’s Green, was arrested after an argument with an officer not wearing his ID badge at the live televised game last September.
“There wouldn’t have been a riot if the officer had stuck to force policy and Home Office guidelines by having his badge number on display,” Mr Wynn said.
“Then I wouldn’t have picked him up on it, he wouldn’t have nicked me and the fans wouldn’t have tried to stop me getting kicked out.
“That officer shouldn’t have been on duty and his commanding officer should have sent him home to get correctly dressed. That incident was purely the responsibility of West Midlands Police.”
After preparing evidence for a three day trial, Mr Wynn – who claims he suffered a black eye and bruising over his upper body at the game – was told the Crown Prosecution Service had decided not to contest his case after new evidence came to light.
The judge presiding over the case a week last Friday told the CPS Mr Wynn deserved to be told why the case against him had suddenly collapsed.
The CPS only revealed that the case “has been reviewed at a senior level”.
Mr Wynn, who is being backed by the Football Supporters Federation, added: “They didn’t want evidence coming up in court that would show them in a bad light so they just threw in the towel.
“What evidence are they trying to suppress?
“We’re looking at civil action now once all the evidence comes out. Then we’ll see if we can sue West Midlands Police.’’
A spokesman for the force said: “West Midlands Police acknowledges the decision of the court.
“The complaint will now be reviewed by the force’s Professional Standards Department and any matters in relation to misconduct of officers will form part of this investigation.”
Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...h-sparked-brawl-92746-32642098/#ixzz2IbjL7lGt
RoboCCFC90
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I second that
We'll_live_and_die
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Remember seeing this and wondered why the hell so many fans were attacking the Police, can't believe it was over something so trivial.
Spence CCFC
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Good luck to him.
CovMatt1987
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love how the photo of him in the article is behind bars - my god the Telegraph are so cutting edge and always thinking outside the box.
Spence CCFC
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Spence CCFC
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We'll_live_and_die
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And if you read my post again you will see I said it was over something so trivial....as in the guy was merely asking the copper where his ID was. Pretty trivial in my opinion.
Nick
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Surely they will have it all on CCTV from various angles anyway? Unless it managed to go missing?
I remember a friend was accused of something at the same time as being at a city game and the police were trying to pin it on him but the police said there were issues with the CCTV at the ricoh that day...
I remember a friend was accused of something at the same time as being at a city game and the police were trying to pin it on him but the police said there were issues with the CCTV at the ricoh that day...
We'll_live_and_die
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I don't know why they can't admit a mistake has been made and try to catch the true criminal in cases like this.
dongonzalos
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This bloke is annoying now.
He gobbed off at the bobby about not having his numbers.
The bobby went hands on with him.
Some idiots turned it into a dangerous brawl
The bobby is getting investigated.
He is now going to sue.
I would rather my tax money be spent on more police on the street than going into his pocket.
He gobbed off at the bobby about not having his numbers.
The bobby went hands on with him.
Some idiots turned it into a dangerous brawl
The bobby is getting investigated.
He is now going to sue.
I would rather my tax money be spent on more police on the street than going into his pocket.
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Changeyourface
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What's the betting WMP suddenly lose all CCTV from that day and have no record of the officers on duty.
dongonzalos
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It's all over you tube.
I'mARealWizard
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Yes.
He certainly looks the sort that would sue anybody who works for a living, rather than work for a living.
He certainly looks the sort that would sue anybody who works for a living, rather than work for a living.
Cov_City_Rockets
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Yes agreed
dongonzalos
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The officer puts his hands on him and he resists straight away.
The officer should be wearing his badge.
If an officer asks to leave, by resisting resisting it is likely to only go one way.
Then some idiots escalate the whole thing in a dangerous way.
The bobby is going to get in trouble, for his actions.
However that bloke didn't start challenging him about his numbers because he was a concerned citizen.
Personally I don't want the money I have worked for going to him.
Or going to fight him in a legal case.
hill83
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I'd love to know how a select few know this fact.
Edit: I don't agree with all the shit that went on after it. People attacking police for doing their job, as the majority of them were, are scum.
And I can't believe some people are judging someone on what they look like!
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shropshirecov
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The bloke has the support of the football supporters federation, who incidentally have commented on the police statement about Coventry fans being ejected from the home sections of Crewe's ground. They gave no right to indiscriminately throw people out if they are just sat there watching the game.
sky_blue_up_north
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Its all about been sensible and don't start shouting there mouths off, until the final whistle
LastGarrison
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You'd hope to think that someone of your "kind" would be less judgemental of people they have never met.
fernandopartridge
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Who seriously gives a fuck about what you think?
Moff
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I am interested in what dongonzalos says, as I am about what you say...well until you write complete crap like the above.
Its a forum everyone has different opinions otherwise it would be fekking boring, so get over yourself and accept people dont all think like you do.
WillieStanley
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It's all about risk and assessment of that risk. In regards to throwing people out for sitting in the wrong end, you have to look at the risk involved. If there are fans in the wrong end and they are behaving, keeping quiet and, if found out, are respectful of those they sit amongst, surely the risk is minimal. If there are fans sat in the wrong end who jump and cheer a goal, are abusive towards those they sit with or their team, they are putting themselves and those around them at risk. Its the job of the Police to assess that risk, what the potential implications are, and reduce that risk.
It's the same in this instance. From where I sat (i the next block and the same side) the Police were walking up the stairs to retrieve a banner (rightly or wrongly... thats another discussion). The tension was already ripe in the air. This fella had already shown signs of drink and was obviously hyped up with the atmosphere. He literally clocked the Policeman without his numbers and started screaming over at them. The officer who came to speak to him eventually calmed him down (reducing risk) which is where the cameras start to pick it up. Now from then on in, the Police became very heavy handed, particularly the one who put a forearm around the fella's neck. That is quite simply not on. The fan himself though, is not completely blameless though, as he essentially created that situation by displaying aggressive behaviour over something that was trivial. He was being anti-social and abusive towards the officers and around minors, again, putting himself and those around him at risk.
The riot that ensued afterwards was just pure stupidity. Was it the fault of the police that someone fell down the stairs in an effort to attack them? Of course not. Was it his own ridiculous decision to come rampaging down steep concrete football stadium steps to get involved in something that, in any other game, under any other circumstances, wouldn't have blown completely out of proportion.
There is no blame, so there can't be a claim. It's just a series of bad decisions and unnacceptable behaviour.
It's the same in this instance. From where I sat (i the next block and the same side) the Police were walking up the stairs to retrieve a banner (rightly or wrongly... thats another discussion). The tension was already ripe in the air. This fella had already shown signs of drink and was obviously hyped up with the atmosphere. He literally clocked the Policeman without his numbers and started screaming over at them. The officer who came to speak to him eventually calmed him down (reducing risk) which is where the cameras start to pick it up. Now from then on in, the Police became very heavy handed, particularly the one who put a forearm around the fella's neck. That is quite simply not on. The fan himself though, is not completely blameless though, as he essentially created that situation by displaying aggressive behaviour over something that was trivial. He was being anti-social and abusive towards the officers and around minors, again, putting himself and those around him at risk.
The riot that ensued afterwards was just pure stupidity. Was it the fault of the police that someone fell down the stairs in an effort to attack them? Of course not. Was it his own ridiculous decision to come rampaging down steep concrete football stadium steps to get involved in something that, in any other game, under any other circumstances, wouldn't have blown completely out of proportion.
There is no blame, so there can't be a claim. It's just a series of bad decisions and unnacceptable behaviour.
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WS That's the most sensible and fair post so far. The bloke was in the wrong to start with and got involved in something he had no reason to other than to have a pop at the police. The one officer got a bit heavy handed which was again wrong and then all the chavs who look for any opportunity to have a pop at the old bill then caused the problems afterwards. They have the cheek to complain when they got a bit back having assaulted police and stewards. These are the same idiots who shout threats and abuse at the away fans but run off when they get a bit back
At the end of the day mr Winn went to watch a football match and for reasons only known to him forget this concerned citizen crap he obviously dislikes the law and wanted a confrontation.
Any reasonable law abiding citizen would have not even spoken to a police officer about his uniform after all does mr Winn challenge his postman for not wearing his correct uniform or a taxi driver for not displaying his badge or anyone els at work for discrepancies in their uniform or identification ?. I'm sure we have all gone to work at some stage and forgot our I'd card or part of a work clothing.
The officer was wrong not to be displaying his numbers which incidentally he had on under his fluorescent jacket and he will be advised about this I'm sure but mr Winn was only motivated by two things a dislike for authority and a smart lawyer who has now shown him the pound signs.
As for the idiots who then turned it into a mass brawl in front of children and elderly they should be banned from the ground for life
LastGarrison
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Which stand are you a steward in mate?
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I'm not a steward, police officer or anyone connected to the same or club. Unfortunately some people can't see the wood for the trees and don't like the truth from a non chav, non criminal , law abiding sensible football fan who goes to support my team and not look for a confrontation at any opportunity with authority.
Unfortunately this country is going to the dogs as the minority are now becoming the majority
Mucca Mad Boys
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Mr Winn had the right to point out that the officer in question didn't have his ID, after all, for all we know he may not have been a real officer. Then the police got heavy handed, as per, because they can, as they are above the law in many ways, and are protected by 'powers'.
Why call them chavs? To demonise many hard-working men!? The police got heavy handed with Mr. Winn and they flipped, and injured, another man, the crowd responded because they were disgusted at this, hence why it doesn't happen every time someone gets 'escorted' out of the ground. The police acted in a disgraceful manner, I literally couldn't believe what I was seeing (on the other side of the RICOH) and I honestly thought the police got what was coming to them at that time.
Constance Markievicz
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He pointed out quite rightly that the officer didn't have his number on.
Listen to yourself you plank.
