Wouldn't be so trivial if a policeman attacked a member of your family and they couldn't identify him.Agreed, best of luck to him. West Midlands police have always been twats on matchdays!
Apologies, was meant to quote Rich. God damn phone.Please identify the 'trivial' aspect of my post?
Apologies, was meant to quote Rich. God damn phone.
Surely they will have it all on CCTV from various angles anyway? Unless it managed to go missing?
I remember a friend was accused of something at the same time as being at a city game and the police were trying to pin it on him but the police said there were issues with the CCTV at the ricoh that day...
What's the betting WMP suddenly lose all CCTV from that day and have no record of the officers on duty.
Looking back at the video it is more than a tad heavy handed by the police. Over the top reaction.
However that bloke didn't start challenging him about his numbers because he was a concerned citizen.
Its all about been sensible and don't start shouting there mouths off, until the final whistleThe bloke has the support of the football supporters federation, who incidentally have commented on the police statement about Coventry fans being ejected from the home sections of Crewe's ground. They gave no right to indiscriminately throw people out if they are just sat there watching the game.
Yes.
He certainly looks the sort that would sue anybody who works for a living, rather than work for a living.
The officer puts his hands on him and he resists straight away.
The officer should be wearing his badge.
If an officer asks to leave, by resisting resisting it is likely to only go one way.
Then some idiots escalate the whole thing in a dangerous way.
The bobby is going to get in trouble, for his actions.
However that bloke didn't start challenging him about his numbers because he was a concerned citizen.
Personally I don't want the money I have worked for going to him.
Or going to fight him in a legal case.
Who seriously gives a fuck about what you think?
It's all about risk and assessment of that risk. In regards to throwing people out for sitting in the wrong end, you have to look at the risk involved. If there are fans in the wrong end and they are behaving, keeping quiet and, if found out, are respectful of those they sit amongst, surely the risk is minimal. If there are fans sat in the wrong end who jump and cheer a goal, are abusive towards those they sit with or their team, they are putting themselves and those around them at risk. Its the job of the Police to assess that risk, what the potential implications are, and reduce that risk.
It's the same in this instance. From where I sat (i the next block and the same side) the Police were walking up the stairs to retrieve a banner (rightly or wrongly... thats another discussion). The tension was already ripe in the air. This fella had already shown signs of drink and was obviously hyped up with the atmosphere. He literally clocked the Policeman without his numbers and started screaming over at them. The officer who came to speak to him eventually calmed him down (reducing risk) which is where the cameras start to pick it up. Now from then on in, the Police became very heavy handed, particularly the one who put a forearm around the fella's neck. That is quite simply not on. The fan himself though, is not completely blameless though, as he essentially created that situation by displaying aggressive behaviour over something that was trivial. He was being anti-social and abusive towards the officers and around minors, again, putting himself and those around him at risk.
The riot that ensued afterwards was just pure stupidity. Was it the fault of the police that someone fell down the stairs in an effort to attack them? Of course not. Was it his own ridiculous decision to come rampaging down steep concrete football stadium steps to get involved in something that, in any other game, under any other circumstances, wouldn't have blown completely out of proportion.
There is no blame, so there can't be a claim. It's just a series of bad decisions and unnacceptable behaviour.
Which stand are you a steward in mate?WS That's the most sensible and fair post so far. The bloke was in the wrong to start with and got involved in something he had no reason to other than to have a pop at the police. The one officer got a bit heavy handed which was again wrong and then all the chavs who look for any opportunity to have a pop at the old bill then caused the problems afterwards. They have the cheek to complain when they got a bit back having assaulted police and stewards. These are the same idiots who shout threats and abuse at the away fans but run off when they get a bit back
At the end of the day mr Winn went to watch a football match and for reasons only known to him forget this concerned citizen crap he obviously dislikes the law and wanted a confrontation.
Any reasonable law abiding citizen would have not even spoken to a police officer about his uniform after all does mr Winn challenge his postman for not wearing his correct uniform or a taxi driver for not displaying his badge or anyone els at work for discrepancies in their uniform or identification ?. I'm sure we have all gone to work at some stage and forgot our I'd card or part of a work clothing.
The officer was wrong not to be displaying his numbers which incidentally he had on under his fluorescent jacket and he will be advised about this I'm sure but mr Winn was only motivated by two things a dislike for authority and a smart lawyer who has now shown him the pound signs.
As for the idiots who then turned it into a mass brawl in front of children and elderly they should be banned from the ground for life
Which stand are you a steward in mate?
WS That's the most sensible and fair post so far. The bloke was in the wrong to start with and got involved in something he had no reason to other than to have a pop at the police. The one officer got a bit heavy handed which was again wrong and then all the chavs who look for any opportunity to have a pop at the old bill then caused the problems afterwards. They have the cheek to complain when they got a bit back having assaulted police and stewards. These are the same idiots who shout threats and abuse at the away fans but run off when they get a bit back
At the end of the day mr Winn went to watch a football match and for reasons only known to him forget this concerned citizen crap he obviously dislikes the law and wanted a confrontation.
Any reasonable law abiding citizen would have not even spoken to a police officer about his uniform after all does mr Winn challenge his postman for not wearing his correct uniform or a taxi driver for not displaying his badge or anyone els at work for discrepancies in their uniform or identification ?. I'm sure we have all gone to work at some stage and forgot our I'd card or part of a work clothing.
The officer was wrong not to be displaying his numbers which incidentally he had on under his fluorescent jacket and he will be advised about this I'm sure but mr Winn was only motivated by two things a dislike for authority and a smart lawyer who has now shown him the pound signs.
As for the idiots who then turned it into a mass brawl in front of children and elderly they should be banned from the ground for life
I'm not a steward, police officer or anyone connected to the same or club. Unfortunately some people can't see the wood for the trees and don't like the truth from a non chav, non criminal , law abiding sensible football fan who goes to support my team and not look for a confrontation at any opportunity with authority.
Unfortunately this country is going to the dogs as the minority are now becoming the majority
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