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xcraigx

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  • Nov 13, 2021
  • #771
Surely it's a slam dunk penalty for Hamilton, although it does seem odd that a decision hasn't been made yet. The Verstappen one smacks of somebody in the background trying desperately to keep the title fight alive.
 
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xcraigx

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  • Nov 13, 2021
  • #772
Back of the grid for Hamilton, a 50k euro fine for Verstappen. Sounds about right.

I wouldn't like to be the person who okayed that rear wing..
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Nov 13, 2021
  • #773
 
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Paul Anthony

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  • Nov 13, 2021
  • #774
Mega job from Lewis to get himself a top 10 start tomorrow. He's got a lot of pace in that car, going to make it interesting.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 13, 2021
  • #775
That was some drive from Lewis, showed his true champion skills there

He will get a podium tomorrow, as long as Max outscores him by 5 points im Happy, get Max to 26 clear and a DNF cushion ahead
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #776
Lewis will win this
 

Paul Anthony

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #777
Lots of carbon fibre gone down. Hope this race isn't spoiled by a puncture for Max or Lewis.
 

Paul Anthony

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #778
Don't get that strategy again from Mercedes, surely they've just pitted the wrong car?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #779
Fantastic racing
 
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Paul Anthony

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #780
The two best drivers in the two best cars having a proper scrap for the lead. Another 3 races of that to round the season out would be amazing!
 
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xcraigx

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #781
I gave Hamilton slim to no chance on Saturday afternoon but that was a quite brilliant performance.

I wonder what the ramifications of Verstappen running Hamilton wide will be going forward.
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #782
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #783
Im sticking £10 on Hamilton winning the last 3 and thus the title.

That straight line speed you just cannot stay ahead of
 
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Paul Anthony

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #784
They'll be a little worried about Ricciardo's engine problem though, not sure how old that particular power unit was.
 
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Corrado

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #785
Brilliant race. Fuck Max - dirty dirty driver. Lewis is going to win the next three to piss on all you Max lovers on here!
 
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Frostie

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #786
Great race, I love to see that neither will give an inch. Fair play Lewis.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #787
Corrado said:
Brilliant race. Fuck Max - dirty dirty driver. Lewis is going to win the next three to piss on all you Max lovers on here!
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IDK
Was what Max did equivalent to when Lewis got his 5 second penalty?
 

TwistAndShoutCCFC1987

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #788
Corrado said:
Brilliant race. Fuck Max - dirty dirty driver. Lewis is going to win the next three to piss on all you Max lovers on here!
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Difference between dirty driver and hard racer! We will see , brilliant from Lewis admittedly but to shut max down as a “dirty driver” and to rule him out of a championship fight that looks completely impossible to call , particularly with Mercedes’ newfound straightline speed is a bit harsh. We can’t have it both ways and complain that we need to allow more racing when penalties are given , and Complain for penalties when a penalty isn’t given for a , let’s face it , quite insignificant incident. Considering lewis got 5s for hitting albon at brazil in 2019 (may have been 10 not sure) is this really a 5s penalty? Both braking late , Even if Max wasn’t there lewis would’ve struggled to make the corner with where he braked. Moreover, if max , once lewis went off track , stayed on track , lewis would’ve overtaken max at the trajectory he was on if max continued on track , meaning he would’ve been deemed as gaining an unfair advantage and would’ve either given the position back or got 5s himself. Either way , whatever side you are on , you have to appreciate the sheer ability of these two drivers and how lucky we are to watch them scrapping away for a championship in a manner we have not seen since 2016
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #789
See I’m a massive Lewis fan. But what they’ve both been criticised for this season is stupid. I want to see hard racing, I didn’t see anything wrong with what Max did today, and I don’t see anything wrong with what Hamilton did at Silverstone

I want to see them race. All this give space stuff is crap
 

Paul Anthony

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  • Nov 14, 2021
  • #790
Apparently the Stewards didn't have the tv pod angle from Verstappen's car available to them, they've got to download it from the car. I always thought these days with everything available in real time, the Stewards had all the data readily available to them. Without that, impossible to say if Max should have had a penalty or not.

But, even with that in mind, the message they should have put out was surely "will be investigated after the race" when they could get the evidence available, rather than immediately close the book on it without having all the facts available.

Anyway, in the end it added even more spice to an already tasty battle. Neither was ever going to back out, and at least this time they both finished.
 

olderskyblue

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #791
The Key aspect to this is was Max trying to turn into the corner or not. If he was going straight on, well, he was going too fast at that stage, so is the most likely scenario, but if he turned any degree to the right to block Lewis, or intentionally force him off, then he could be in trouble.

At the time, I thought it was the latter, but i'm a Lewis fan, so biased

If it turns out the stewards, after seeing Max's onboard camera, think it was just hard racing, then fair enough.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #792
olderskyblue said:
The Key aspect to this is was Max trying to turn into the corner or not. If he was going straight on, well, he was going too fast at that stage, so is the most likely scenario, but if he turned any degree to the right to block Lewis, or intentionally force him off, then he could be in trouble.

At the time, I thought it was the latter, but i'm a Lewis fan, so biased

If it turns out the stewards, after seeing Max's onboard camera, think it was just hard racing, then fair enough.
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I think Max didn't turn towards Lewis, but he most definitely didn't make the effort he could have to stop his car running wide. His entire intention was to force Lewis wide and off the track. But he also knew he wouldn't be able to do it again without getting penalised. When Lewis did overtake Max was given a black and white flag for weaving on the straight.
 
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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #793
olderskyblue said:
The Key aspect to this is was Max trying to turn into the corner or not. If he was going straight on, well, he was going too fast at that stage, so is the most likely scenario, but if he turned any degree to the right to block Lewis, or intentionally force him off, then he could be in trouble.

At the time, I thought it was the latter, but i'm a Lewis fan, so biased

If it turns out the stewards, after seeing Max's onboard camera, think it was just hard racing, then fair enough.
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Verstappen definitely has a touch of the Sennas about him. I'll say this for Hamilton, he's generally pretty good in judging when to avoid trouble - although always easier when you're out the front, of course!
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #794
A fantastic drive from Lewis. When hes like that there's no one better. And probably hasnt been.

And I'm a massive Schumacher fan

But wish people would stop calling it shit like drive of the century etc.

His car was 30mph faster in a straight line, and at least 0.5 seconds a lap faster than the Red bulls. I could have come from tenth to win in that rocketship.

He has had many more impressive drives than that
 

hill83

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #795
Saddlebrains said:
I could have come from tenth to win in that rocketship.
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So are you saying you are a better formula one driver than Bottas then?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #796
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think Max didn't turn towards Lewis, but he most definitely didn't make the effort he could have to stop his car running wide. His entire intention was to force Lewis wide and off the track. But he also knew he wouldn't be able to do it again without getting penalised. When Lewis did overtake Max was given a black and white flag for weaving on the straight.
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Which is pretty futile given the advantage of the Mercedes.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #797
hill83 said:
So are you saying you are a better formula one driver than Bottas then?
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Yea. And im saying you are aswell
 

hill83

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #798
Saddlebrains said:
Yea. And im saying you are aswell
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 15, 2021
  • #799
hill83 said:
So are you saying you are a better formula one driver than Bottas then?
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He's an excellent driver. But only in quali. He's only allowed to drive the car on Saturday's.
 
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Corrado

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #800
Didn't intentionally run Hamilton off the road

Hopefully a penalty coming his way

 

hill83

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #801
Looks like he lost grip turning into the corner so couldn’t go full lock.*

*can’t stand Verstappen


I’d be surprised if there’s any penalty coming his way.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #802
Corrado said:
Didn't intentionally run Hamilton off the road

Hopefully a penalty coming his way

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You can literally see him turn into the corner.

As Hill said, it's missing the braking point and understeering. Even Hamilton fans can see that surely?
 

hill83

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #803
Saddlebrains said:
You can literally see him turn into the corner.

As Hill said, it's missing the braking point and understeering. Even Hamilton fans can see that surely?
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It looks like he doesn’t make a full attempt to make the corner, but even with my basic sim racing knowledge if he does try to turn the wheel more he either spins or forces the pair of them even further wide as he regains grip even later. You could argue he’s gone into the corner too fast and missed the apex on purpose, but that is racing.

So nothing in it for me.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #804
hill83 said:
It looks like he doesn’t make a full attempt to make the corner, but even with my basic sim racing knowledge if he does try to turn the wheel more he either spins or forces the pair of them even further wide as he regains grip even later. You could argue he’s gone into the corner too fast and missed the apex on purpose, but that is racing.

So nothing in it for me.
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Agree completely.

For me Silverstone - Hamilton to blame
Monza - Max to blame
Brazil - pure hard racing and just hope above adhesion on that occasion
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 16, 2021
  • #805
 
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