European championships 2020 thread (2 Viewers)

Sky Blue Harry H · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Southgate himself said in terms of
qualification we are in a good place , he also said we were good against Croatia.

That's fair enough but he's easily pleased

Those to points are valid; where I think Southgate may well get it wrong is an unwillingness to change out of form established players. It has been easy to omit Henderson, Maguire on the basis of fitness, but I am concerned he will remain loyal to players who aren't performing. Kane being the obvious one (he spends half the game near the centre circle spraying Beckham style passes out to the wings/full backs = stay up front if you're the centre forward-particularly when we have 2 defensive centre midfielders). Only accommodating one player from Grealish, Foden, Bellingham, Sancho is borderline idiocy. Woke up this morning totally deflated with that performance, If we get knocked out in the next round I want him gone. He is a nice bloke, but far too conservative. Some people level that at MR, but the difference is the quality of players at his disposal.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Southgate himself said in terms of
qualification we are in a good place , he also said we were good against Croatia.

That's fair enough but he's easily pleased

The bigger picture is that we’ve all but confirmed qualification to the next round, regardless of the result against Czech.

Then, it’s knock out football and anything can happen. Portugal scrapped out of the Group in 3rd and won the tournament.

A few things that really concern me:

1) Kane’s form, we’re not getting him into the game enough because our buildup is too slow and passive.

2) Chances given up. Despite the two defensive pivots, we conceded too many chances that better teams would score. The reasoning for Phillips and Rice is shore us up defensively.

3) Passive in the press. Similar to the last point, but we really didn’t harass Scotland on the ball enough. Despite being a talent, Gilmour getting MOTM tells me we did not put any pressure on him.

4) Aerial battle. Do they not know how to defend high balls in the Prem? Stones and Mings were seemingly beaten in air every time by Dykes. We know even McFadz, Ostigard and Hyam can defend him.

Hopefully we can address some of this stuff going forward.

Wyken Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Think england need to revert to wing backs if I'm honest .
We look dreadful In this current set up

Who would be the 3rd centre back, Coady? Maguire won't be fit enough I don't think

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Evo1883 · Jun 19, 2021

skyblue1991 said:
Who would be the 3rd centre back, Coady? Maguire won't be fit enough I don't think

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White

Wyken Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
White

Oh yeah I forgot about him! Just changing my lineup against Czech Republic...

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Torquay Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

I thought we'd slipped back into the days of Roy last night .
James was frightened to move over the halfway line.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

Mucca Mad Boys said:
The bigger picture is that we’ve all but confirmed qualification to the next round, regardless of the result against Czech.

Then, it’s knock out football and anything can happen. Portugal scrapped out of the Group in 3rd and won the tournament.

A few things that really concern me:

1) Kane’s form, we’re not getting him into the game enough because our buildup is too slow and passive.

2) Chances given up. Despite the two defensive pivots, we conceded too many chances that better teams would score. The reasoning for Phillips and Rice is shore us up defensively.

3) Passive in the press. Similar to the last point, but we really didn’t harass Scotland on the ball enough. Despite being a talent, Gilmour getting MOTM tells me we did not put any pressure on him.

4) Aerial battle. Do they not know how to defend high balls in the Prem? Stones and Mings were seemingly beaten in air every time by Dykes. We know even McFadz, Ostigard and Hyam can defend him.

Hopefully we can address some of this stuff going forward.

It was frightening how a lot of players looked like they were running through treacle. I know conditions were poor but quite a few didn’t look fit

SBAndy · Jun 19, 2021

Dreadful display last night. Serious lack of joined up thinking in how the players fit the system, and that played out exactly with Sterling and Foden both coming inside, Kane dropping deep and Mount being in the 10 there was no space to play. Full backs inexplicably decided to sit on the half way line and not get forward. Central midfield far too deep.

I think there has to be far more acceptance in fitting the players to the system. If Kane plays then we can’t really afford to play Mount and Foden behind, and instead need another winger willing to run in behind. But if you want to see more of Foden, Grealish, etc then Calvert-Lewin needs to come in. Painful really but Kane is reverting to type far too easily and reminds me of Rooney with his “creativity” stubbornness.

Full backs, I bet Southgate wishes he’d stuck with Walker and Trippier and I wouldn’t be surprised to see them back in v Czech. With the system Scotland played it was crucial to get at their wing backs but we did nothing out wide and both full backs and wingers were culpable.

This tournament will be decided on the basis of using 5 subs per match and given our plethora of attacking options it’s criminal to only use 2 subs. Overall, pathetic.

Grendel · Jun 19, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
We could well lose to the Czechs, Schick is in form and they'll be more clinical than Scotland were. Wouldn't be shocked if we scrape through in 3rd and for Southgate to view it as a success

Finishing second would be a better outcome in truth

cc84cov · Jun 19, 2021

Torquay Sky Blue said:
I thought we'd slipped back into the days of Roy last night .
James was frightened to move over the halfway line.

As bad a performance I’ve seen at that level he was a embarrassment

cc84cov · Jun 19, 2021

Grendel said:
Finishing second would be a better outcome in truth

Agreed a draw will do us tbh it’s the route I prefer anyway

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

Grendel said:
Finishing second would be a better outcome in truth

Who would we get?

Grendel · Jun 19, 2021

cc84cov said:
As bad a performance I’ve seen at that level he was a embarrassment

Too young to remember Geoff Thomas and Luther Blissett then

Grendel · Jun 19, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Who would we get?

Runner up in Spains group is it?

Johnnythespider · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Think england need to revert to wing backs if I'm honest .
We look dreadful In this current set up

I agree with this, Walker and Chilwell for me with a back 3 of Stones, Maguire and Mings

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

Grendel said:
Runner up in Spains group is it?

Could be wrong but doesn’t the winner of one usually get the runner up of another?

Tommo1993 · Jun 19, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Could be wrong but doesn’t the winner of one usually get the runner up of another?

Yes.

Grendel · Jun 19, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Could be wrong but doesn’t the winner of one usually get the runner up of another?

No as there are third place teams as well - i have checked its correct so probably end up with Sweden - win the group probably Portugal

Mcbean · Jun 19, 2021

The CZ game will resolve one way or another - we don’t qualify Southgate gets his P45 - we qualify and put a passable display in against one of the big 5 and he gets a knighthood

higgs · Jun 19, 2021

It's the knock out stages where Gareth needs to bring his A game avoid injuries in the group stage is the main thing they were always going to come out of that group

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Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

Grendel said:
No as there are third place teams as well - i have checked its correct so probably end up with Sweden - win the group probably Portugal

In which case yes a 0-0 draw is ironically suitable this time

Evo1883 · Jun 19, 2021

At this point I think he's lost the plot .

Too frantic and not patient enough , I've been more frantic after morphine

If you cant win then don't lose? ...that's a dire interview

Mcbean · Jun 19, 2021

Seems Alec Ferguson had a Ronnie Pickering moment in the car park at Wembley when he wasn’t allowed in the VIP car park

LastGarrison · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
At this point I think he's lost the plot .

Too frantic and not patient enough , I've been more frantic after morphine

If you cant win then don't lose? ...that's a dire interview

Complete cliched dross.

If we didn’t have enough to break them down then why only make two subs?

Tommo1993 · Jun 19, 2021

Oh we had more than enough to break them down. It’s just a lot tougher under the restrictions of dull management. Southgate deserved criticism at HT. The second half really did him no favours.

higgs · Jun 19, 2021

Mcbean said:
Seems Alec Ferguson had a Ronnie Pickering moment in the car park at Wembley when he wasn’t allowed in the VIP car park

Is he still driving?

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Evo1883 · Jun 19, 2021

Does declan rice have a hooked foot that physically prevents him passing forward ?

higgs · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Does declan rice have a hooked foot that physically prevents him passing forward ?

Is he over rated?

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wingy · Jun 19, 2021

SeaSeeEffCee · Jun 19, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
In which case yes a 0-0 draw is ironically suitable this time

Finish second and we’d have to play France in the quarters in St. Petersburg and then most likely Belgium or Italy in the semis. At least we’d have home advantage if we won the group and would be on the easier side of the draw, even if we did have a tough round of 16 game.

SBAndy · Jun 19, 2021

SeaSeeEffCee said:
Finish second and we’d have to play France in the quarters in St. Petersburg and then most likely Belgium or Italy in the semis. At least we’d have home advantage if we won the group and would be on the easier side of the draw, even if we did have a tough round of 16 game.

Mental that you wouldn’t want to win the group.

Evo1883 · Jun 19, 2021

higgs said:
Is he over rated?

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Aren't most of them

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

SBAndy said:
Mental that you wouldn’t want to win the group.

Pretty clear Southgate doesn’t

Evo1883 · Jun 19, 2021

Can we approach Conte after this tournament ?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 19, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Can we approach Conte after this tournament ?

He’d surely never take it

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