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COV

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,206
TomRad85 said:
A no for Maldini? Damn, that's cold.

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if you’re gonna list the ‘geniuses’ of the game, who did things you didn’t even think were possible, it’s a no. Baresi could play anywhere, it was effortless and he did things no defender should be able to do, I don’t see that in Maldini.

I’d put him in the ‘world class’ category with your Gullits, Bergkamps, Henrys etc, but not a stone cold all time football genius
 

TomRad85

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,207
Evo1883 said:
Its a very rare opinion to be fair , most pundits and people would put maldini as an all time great , infact I'd say its the first time I've ever heard anybody say he wasn't.

Either way it's his opinion
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I'd say Nesta and Cannavaro were too. Italy had world class defenders coming out the arse.

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mark82

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,208
COV said:
baresi gets in, it’s a no from me for the other two.

At a push we could have had one- had Gascoigne had his head screwed on & looked after himself he could have made the list- he could do everything.
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I'd have Maldini and Matthaus too. Would also add Van Basten.
 

COV

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,209
TomRad85 said:
I'd say Nesta and Cannavaro were too. Italy had world class defenders coming out the arse.

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it’s playing with words- maybe I’ll rephrase- he’s an all time great, but he’s not in the ‘all time genius’ category.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,210
Liquid Gold said:
I think we'd have at least given Loris something to do. He wasn't tested at all tonight.
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Possibly, we have the forward players to do so but with Southgate in charge I'm not sure. We didn't trouble an aging Croatia that much in all honesty and the thought of Mbappe and Co. against that defence is mildly concerning.

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TomRad85

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,211
COV said:
it’s playing with words- maybe I’ll rephrase- he’s an all time great, but he’s not in the ‘all time genius’ category.
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Fair play, I get where you're coming from.

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COV

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,212
mark82 said:
I'd have Maldini and Matthaus too. Would also add Van Basten.
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in that group I think you have to add Paul Scholes- criminally underrated when people talk about the great players over the years
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 15, 2021
  • #2,213
Beckenbaur and Moore?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,214
COV said:
world class to me is when you’re in the top few in the world in your position. Bearing that in mind, probably neither of Sterling or Gnabry are in that group tbh. International class for sure though.

then you have the ‘all time greats’, and in my lifetime there have only been a few- Maradona, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo (Brazil), Ronaldo (Portugal)- they’re the ones who can do things literally nobody else can do and hit levels nobody else has.
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Iniesta, Platini?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,215
Cruyff for sure.
 

COV

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,216
Liquid Gold said:
Beckenbaur and Moore?
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maybe, but I’m talking in my football watching lifetime, which is late 70s onwards. Not that I don’t rate them.
 

CanadianCCFC

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,217
Liquid Gold said:
why are they not flagging until the ball goes in the net?
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So that if VAR say it was actually onside, the goal can stand
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,218
mark82 said:
Kane.

Foden probably will be, not there yet. Lots of very good players though.
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Agree, plus Bellingham in a few years and possibly Mount if he continues his trajectory for Chelsea.

These players have natural ability but do they have the mentality to knuckle down and push on?

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cc84cov

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,219
Evo1883 said:
I weren't that impressed with them .

Playing a side with no natural striker on the pitch, who were toothless in the final third.

England not comparible to this Germany, we have a goalscorer .
Plus we have more threats from set pieces

And Walker will keep up with mbappe no problem
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Would be a game for Grealish winning the set pieces I worry he won’t use him in such a big game but he for me is the one who causes them al sorts of problems
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,220
Liquid Gold said:
I'm only being pedantic here but does that mean James and Chilwell are world class?

England have 1 maybe 2 world class players and one potential world class player. Germany have none, probably for the first time in more htan half a century.
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Kimmich is world class when played in his best position
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,221
CanadianCCFC said:
So that if VAR say it was actually onside, the goal can stand
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But it's going to happen where a player that is going to be given offside by the assistant gets taken out with a late lunge from a desperate chasing defender and ends up with a serious injury unnecessarily.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,222
Liquid Gold said:
Another example of Germany not being what they were. He's past his peak now and they just don't seem to have the options to replace him whereas before they'd be lining round the block.

Of the three best prospects in the Bundesliga two are English and one is Norwegian. There two centre forwards in the squad one is a former world class false nine well past hi peak and someone that can't score for toffee in the PL.

It's amazing how far they've regressed since they won the WC
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Trouble is last time they were in this position they went away, reassessed and won the next tournament.

That is the difference between us and them. When they fail they genuinely look at what is going wrong and have a willingness to change what they're doing. We just largely do it lip service and try and carry on as we were as much as possible because we've got this mindset that we're English, this is our game and there's no chance we're getting it that wrong. PL best in the world etc etc.

We're also largely a team build on a few star players rather than as a team. As a nation we're still largely obsessed with strikers and pacy flair players.

I'd probably suit a German set-up as I'd like the team all paid the same flat amount with extra payments based on minutes on the pitch and everyone earning goal bonuses and a clean sheet bonus in games regardless of whether you were the actual scorer/defender etc..
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,223
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Trouble is last time they were in this position they went away, reassessed and won the next tournament.

That is the difference between us and them. When they fail they genuinely look at what is going wrong and have a willingness to change what they're doing. We just largely do it lip service and try and carry on as we were as much as possible because we've got this mindset that we're English, this is our game and there's no chance we're getting it that wrong. PL best in the world etc etc.

We're also largely a team build on a few star players rather than as a team. As a nation we're still largely obsessed with strikers and pacy flair players.

I'd probably suit a German set-up as I'd like the team all paid the same flat amount with extra payments based on minutes on the pitch and everyone earning goal bonuses and a clean sheet bonus in games regardless of whether you were the actual scorer/defender etc..
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The last time they were in this position was 3 years ago and they have come back this time with the same system and same manager. At least the FA have invested in St Georges park and the academy system which is starting to show it might be of benefit with Foden, Sancho and Bellingham coming though.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,224
David O'Day said:
Kimmich is world class when played in his best position
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I'd say he's in that very good but not quite world class tier. Kante is world class and Kimmich is nowhere near him.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,225
CanadianCCFC said:
So that if VAR say it was actually onside, the goal can stand
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Like I said before, I ge tthat when it's marginal but they've kept the flag down when there has been daylight between them
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,226
Liquid Gold said:
I'd say he's in that very good but not quite world class tier. Kante is world class and Kimmich is nowhere near him.
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I'd say you are wrong
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,227
David O'Day said:
I'd say you are wrong
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Game of opinions enit
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,228
Got excited that there is another 2pm game









Then saw who it is
 

Hutch11

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,229
C'mon the Finns
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,230
Think this will be a good game. If Finland win they will get out the group I'd have thought.
 

Hutch11

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,231
Ccfcisparks said:
Think this will be a good game. If Finland win they will get out the group I'd have thought.
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They'd definitely get out , if not top 2 a certain best placed 3rd
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,232
Best ever anthem now playing!
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,233
Still say the Russian national anthem is about the best out there.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,234
dubed said:
Best ever anthem now playing!
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Definitely a snap there.
 
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covhead1

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,235
C'mon you fins
1-0
 

jordan210

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,236
Lovely header
 

covhead1

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,237
Fuckin VAR
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and shite commentary
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,238
Almost a Houchen.
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,239
Really like that Finnish shirt, would look good with a red cross English version
 

jordan210

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  • Jun 16, 2021
  • #2,240
covhead1 said:
Fuckin VAR
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and shite commentary
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Must have been a very tight VAR call. At least they are quick at it.

Robyn Cowen is an awful coms. She sounds nasily
 
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