European championships 2020 thread (17 Viewers)

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf for a fair old while the finals were the last eight, anyway. Graham Taylor's 'failure' still had us in the top few in Europe, as did Bobby Robson in '88.

But yeah, as said, you can only beat what's there, and we got to the final when the so called quality teams didn't. If Southgate is under pressure, then how about Didier Deschamps!

Don't think he's under pressure .

I just think that the final once the stars aligned was pretty straightforward, as it was In 2018 to get to the semis .

We've never had easier routes

He achieved by getting us to these stages but he failed tactically in all 3 competitions we've fallen In.

We lead in all 3 matches , Croatia, Italy, Holland and he didn't get it right in all 3

I think i'm correct in assuming in the nations league , world cup and euros he's only beaten 1 top 10 side

Italy beat 3 and 1 top 15 side to win these euros

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 14, 2021

Grendel said:
I do think some of the media negativity against Sterling was racist and you always felt he had to better than others to prove his worth

I think a lot of it was also due to his antics off the pitch many years ago to be honest.

COV · Jul 14, 2021

Mucca Mad Boys said:
That still doesn’t account for winning just 1 knockout game in 68 years.

The Czech Republic beat the Netherlands in the knock out stages, so clearly weren’t a bad side. As for Croatia, World Cup finalists and took Spain to extra time. As for Scotland, fierce rivalries can provide shock results and have generally improved a lot since they qualified.

Even if Southgate isn’t the best manager, he’s delivering at major tournaments and that’s what he gets paid to do.

We’ve won more than one knockout game in 68 years haven’t we?

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Don't think he's under pressure .

I just think that the final once the stars aligned was pretty straightforward, as it was In 2018 to get to the semis .

We've never had easier routes

Well... Cameroon in 1990 was a pretty easy route, as was a fading Belgium at the time, Egypt(!) in the group stages... and we basically played well against netherlands and Germany, that tournament. There's no such thing as an 'easy route, just a long or a shirt run.

Part of the reason we've never had easier routes is because we don't usually get far enough to judge whether it's an 'easy' game or not!

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
We’ve won more than one knockout game in 68 years haven’t we?

We never qualified for them all anyway

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Well... Cameroon in 1990 was a pretty easy route, as was a fading Belgium at the time, Egypt(!) in the group stages... and we basically played well against netherlands and Germany, that tournament. There's no such thing as an 'easy route, just a long or a shirt run.

Part of the reason we've never had easier routes is because we don't usually get far enough to judge whether it's an 'easy' game or not!

Also as I stated the word Cup and euros format has changed leading to potential easier games in the knockouts ..its definitely had an impact

We've only beaten 1 top 10 side in the last 3 tournaments mentioned by mucca

Lost to

Belgium twice
Croatia
Spain
Italy

COV · Jul 14, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think a lot of it was also due to his antics off the pitch many years ago to be honest.

Was Paul Gascoigne treated the same way for his off the field antics- domestic violence and so on?

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
We’ve won more than one knockout game in 68 years haven’t we?

Not at the Euros.

Ccfcisparks · Jul 14, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think a lot of it was also due to his antics off the pitch many years ago to be honest.

What antics were they?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
Was Paul Gascoigne treated the same way for his off the field antics- domestic violence and so on?

Ched Evans got acquitted, do people give him an easy ride? Marlon King was given the red carpet.

It's not a competition to see who can be the biggest bellend.

COV · Jul 14, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Ched Evans got acquitted, do people give him an easy ride? Marlon King was given the red carpet.

It's not a competition to see who can be the biggest bellend.

Lucky for some

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
Lucky for some

Owner of biggest bellend - slightly different, sugar.

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

We've played 11 euros

Failed to get out the group in 4
Lost in the semi finals twice
Lost 1 final

Lost to (in knockouts )
Germany , Italy, Portugal, yugoslavia*runners up (68) and Iceland

COV · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
We've played 11 euros

Failed to get out the group in 4
Lost in the semi finals twice
Lost 1 final

Lost to (in knockouts )
Germany , Italy, Portugal, yugoslavia (68) and Iceland

That is not the record of a top tier nation

TomRad85 · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
We've played 11 euros

Failed to get out the group in 4
Lost in the semi finals twice
Lost 1 final

Lost to (in knockouts )
Germany , Italy, Portugal, yugoslavia (68) and Iceland

Christ, Iceland. That was so bad I actually found it funny.

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Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
That is not the record of a top tier nation

No but the knockout games we've lost only 1 was against a side we really shouldnt be losing to..which makes the point of never winning a knockout game since 96 a bit more understandable

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

TomRad85 said:
Christ, Iceland. That was so bad I actually found it funny.

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We were poor in 2016 , overlap of the end of many greats retiring and a fresh bunch of talent arriving

TomRad85 · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
We were poor in 2016 , overlap of the end of many greats retiring and a fresh bunch of talent arriving

Be fair now, we did come up against Icelands golden generation

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Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
No but the knockout games we've lost only 1 was against a side we really shouldnt be losing to..which makes the point of never winning a knockout game since 96 a bit more understandable

So beating Germany could be considered a massive success for us and Southgate has evidently improved us in that regard, right?

Our teams in 2002-2010 really should’ve done better. Losing to a Brazil side when we had the lead, a Portugal team we were probably better than and a got hammered by Germany team we shouldn’t have even played because we managed to balls up a very kind group stage.

Evo1883 said:
Also as I stated the word Cup and euros format has changed leading to potential easier games in the knockouts ..its definitely had an impact

We've only beaten 1 top 10 side in the last 3 tournaments mentioned by mucca

Italy beat 3 alone to win this tournament

Sweden topped their group in both 2018 and 2021ahead of Germany then Spain - they also knocked Italy out to qualify in 2018 too. Clearly they’re a decent team despite a lack of superstars.

We would’ve played Spain the quarters had they finished first in a routine group for them. Who also needed extra time to beat Croatia and penalties to beat Switzerland. They’re very much in transition too and Italy were fortunate to beat Spain.

Denmark are underrated too. For all the plaudits Italy have got for their 34 game unbeaten streak, Denmark have lost 4 games in 30.

I just don’t understand the self-deprecation. Finding ways to discredit our runs.

You get to a semi-final or a final, you’ve had to play some decent teams to get there. Southgate has surpassed expectations in both tournaments he’s been in. Therefore, he’s a been a successful manager to date.

Worth noting that Southgate’s win % is higher than all his contemporaries bar Capello.

Skybluefaz · Jul 14, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
What antics were they?

Bought his mum a house.

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

Mucca Mad Boys said:
So beating Germany could be considered a massive success for us and Southgate has evidently improved us in that regard, right?

Our teams in 2002-2010 really should’ve done better. Losing to a Brazil side when we had the lead, a Portugal team we were probably better than and a got hammered by Germany team we shouldn’t have even played because we managed to balls up a very kind group stage.

Sweden topped their group in both 2018 and 2021ahead of Germany then Spain - they also knocked Italy out to qualify in 2018 too. Clearly they’re a decent team despite a lack of superstars.

We would’ve played Spain the quarters had they finished first in a routine group for them. Who also needed extra time to beat Croatia and penalties to beat Switzerland. They’re very much in transition too and Italy were fortunate to beat Spain.

Denmark are underrated too. For all the plaudits Italy have got for their 34 game unbeaten streak, Denmark have lost 4 games in 30.

I just don’t understand the self-deprecation. Finding ways to discredit our runs.

You get to a semi-final or a final, you’ve had to play some decent teams to get there. Southgate has surpassed expectations in both tournaments he’s been in. Therefore, he’s a been a successful manager to date.

Worth noting that Southgate’s win % is higher than all his contemporaries bar Capello.

I'm sorry , I really just don't agree with you about Southgate.

I doubt that will change

And that Brazil side in 2002 was very good ..won 7 matches in a row the most ever won at the world cup

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I'm sorry , I really just don't agree with you about Southgate.

I doubt that will change

And that Brazil side in 2002 was very good ..won 7 matches in a row the most ever won at the world cup

Had we won penalties against Italy, would that have changed your mind?

COV · Jul 14, 2021

Mucca Mad Boys said:
So beating Germany could be considered a massive success for us and Southgate has evidently improved us in that regard, right?

Our teams in 2002-2010 really should’ve done better. Losing to a Brazil side when we had the lead, a Portugal team we were probably better than and a got hammered by Germany team we shouldn’t have even played because we managed to balls up a very kind group stage.

Sweden topped their group in both 2018 and 2021ahead of Germany then Spain - they also knocked Italy out to qualify in 2018 too. Clearly they’re a decent team despite a lack of superstars.

We would’ve played Spain the quarters had they finished first in a routine group for them. Who also needed extra time to beat Croatia and penalties to beat Switzerland. They’re very much in transition too and Italy were fortunate to beat Spain.

Denmark are underrated too. For all the plaudits Italy have got for their 34 game unbeaten streak, Denmark have lost 4 games in 30.

I just don’t understand the self-deprecation. Finding ways to discredit our runs.

You get to a semi-final or a final, you’ve had to play some decent teams to get there. Southgate has surpassed expectations in both tournaments he’s been in. Therefore, he’s a been a successful manager to date.

Worth noting that Southgate’s win % is higher than all his contemporaries bar Capello.

If you get to a final and have a better squad than your opponent, have them on the ropes for half an hour, but then totally stop playing and then lose mainly due to your own decisions during the match, that is a failure.

Nobody cares about win/ loss percentages, they care about trophies

This is the problem- we accept failure and turn it into a weird kind of victory.

I doubt your Fergusons, Klopps- or even your Robins’ in fact would accept that we should all be happy, they would be wanting to know why the hell we didn’t finish the job when it was there on a plate

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Had we won penalties against Italy, would that have changed your mind?

I would have been delighted to win the tournament .

I still feel his tactics hold us back and he doesn't get the best from certain players .

He's a great man manager , not a great manager

Ccfcisparks · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
If you get to a final and have a better squad than your opponent, have them on the ropes for half an hour, but then totally stop playing and then lose mainly due to your own decisions during the match, that is a failure.

Nobody cares about win/ loss percentages, they care about trophies

This is the problem- we accept failure and turn it into a weird kind of victory.

I doubt your Fergusons, Klopps- or even your Robins’ in fact would accept that we should all be happy, they would be wanting to know why the hell we didn’t finish the job when it was there on a plate

Be honest now, are you Ringofsteel?

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
If you get to a final and have a better squad than your opponent, have them on the ropes for half an hour, but then totally stop playing and then lose mainly due to your own decisions during the match, that is a failure.

Nobody cares about win/ loss percentages, they care about trophies

This is the problem- we accept failure and turn it into a weird kind of victory.

I doubt your Fergusons, Klopps- or even your Robins’ in fact would accept that we should all be happy, they would be wanting to know why the hell we didn’t finish the job when it was there on a plate

I don't think we have a better squad than Italy if I'm honest ..we have better forwards but Italy have a very good overall and balanced squad .

And ....a better manager

They made 8 changes and beat Wales without much sweat

SlowerThanPlatt · Jul 14, 2021

Ccfcisparks said:
Be honest now, are you Ringofsteel?

It doesn’t take much working out, he was very quick to rule out the possibility he was Dongo

COV · Jul 14, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
It doesn’t take much working out, he was very quick to rule out the possibility he was Dongo

It’s the fourth person I’ve been told I actually am, after also being told I owe various people twenty pounds. No I’m not, I just don’t answer any more

COV · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I don't think we have a better squad than Italy if I'm honest ..we have better forwards but Italy have a very good overall and balanced squad .

And ....a better manager

They made 8 changes and beat Wales without much sweat

I’ll give you they have a better manager, but I do think our squad is stronger.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
It’s the fourth person I’ve been told I actually am, after also being told I owe various people twenty pounds. No I’m not, I just don’t answer any more

You are definitely someone that got hounded off here, let's be honest.

ROS is as decent assumption as any I would say.

SlowerThanPlatt · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
It’s the fourth person I’ve been told I actually am, after also being told I owe various people twenty pounds. No I’m not, I just don’t answer any more

Sorry I must have missed the other two, who were they?

Evo1883 · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
I’ll give you they have a better manager, but I do think our squad is stronger.

How many of our squad would get in theirs do you reckon .
Chiesa btw was a revelation .. Chelsea offered 100 Mill already

Midfield they are much stronger than we are and that showed on the day , and as bad as it sounds .. their aging centre halves were rarely troubled or bothered.
They have good depth too

COV · Jul 14, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Sorry I must have missed the other two, who were they?

Someone called Greg, Bant, and Dongo . Not sure who I owed twenty pounds to but there were a few people also telling me to pay my debts.

Ccfcisparks · Jul 14, 2021

COV said:
Someone called Greg, Bant, and Dongo . Not sure who I owed twenty pounds to but there were a few people also telling me to pay my debts.

Nobody signs up to this forum, makes 1.5k posts in 1.5 months, if they weren’t a previous well known poster

COV · Jul 14, 2021

Evo1883 said:
How many of our squad would get in theirs do you reckon .
Chiesa btw was a revelation .. Chelsea offered 100 Mill already

Midfield they are much stronger than we are and that showed on the day , and as bad as it sounds .. their aging centre halves were rarely troubled or bothered.

Disagree with you there, first half an hour their defence was very rattled and backing off all the time.

I feel we had a better squad, but even if we didn’t it does not explain why we just stopped playing.

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