European championships 2020 thread (14 Viewers)

COV said:

Its also true though. We were in control and we gave it up. Stay the way we were and we win, we could have been out of sight by half time.

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what I’m saying is it’s not just down to one team. It’s not as if we made a load of subs after 25, just more like Italy sorted themselves out. I thought second half we should’ve made an attacking sub earlier to change the momentum but again, all these decisions are easy to say from an armchair/down the boozer

Grendel said:

Well some right old nonsense on here

In the end it’s our most successful tournament for over half a century and the youngest squad in the competition

Southgate by a country mile is the best manager for as long as I remember - penalties is a lottery and that’s it

Can’t be bothered with the rubbish here and certainly social media - just embarrassing

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Erm I’m a bit confused. I agree with Grendel.

Yeah we were good for 20-25 mins, but come on, we were never going to dominate the 90.

Extra time was our big chance.

CCFCSteve said:

what I’m saying is it’s not just down to one team. It’s not as if we made a load of subs after 25, just more like Italy sorted themselves out. I thought second half we should’ve made an attacking sub earlier to change the momentum but again, all these decisions are easy to say from an armchair/down the boozer

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I do not want Southgate sacked, let me get that out of the way,

But as someone else said above- could you see Klopp, Pep or Mancini himself let the game go how we did, and letting us totally switch off, then fail to respond at all? And then make those weird decisions on the penalties?

We have to learn, fast.

I believe Southgate has it in him to learn the lessons, he's smart enough, but my god we threw it away last night, it was ours, right there, and we chucked it away.

CJ_covblaze said:

They’re not fans. They’re scum. Hopefully we won’t be seeing them anywhere near our games again after the proper good hiding they got from the fellas inside. I doubt they’ll care about England anyway until November next year.

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Surely the ones beating them up are no better how did they select who to hit can I check your ticket them wham?

I condone paying fans collaring those breaking in and dragging them out by force. I condone them bollocking useless stewards, shouldn’t have to do it but it’s their job.

I don’t condone paying fans wading in a kicking them while they’re down.

Just watched back the end and the England players taking their runners up medals off as soon as they get given them properly ruined me.

Liquid Gold said:

Just watched back the end and the England players taking their runners up medals off as soon as they get given them properly ruined me.

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I watched the penalties back, Rashford's looks worse when you see it again, and I just wanted to hug Saka

Do you reckon there was a person in the country that hated that it ended up as pens more than Southgate? I don’t.

Evo1883 said:

Problem is he did very little to try and make sure that never happened.

It's like he was hoping we'd get 1 break and win the game

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Extra time was the big break opportunity. The way the second half was going I’d have ripped your hand off to go straight to penalties. But it opened up again, that was our chance.

Evo1883 said:

Problem is he did very little to try and make sure that never happened.

It's like he was hoping we'd get 1 break and win the game

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Underneath it all Southgate himself will know better than anyone what a chance has been blown.

Liquid Gold said:

Just watched back the end and the England players taking their runners up medals off as soon as they get given them properly ruined me.

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Seems to be the modern way. Big time Charlie's who in some cases have won fk all, just don't want to be seen as if its ok. It's a runners up medal and most would love one if they were being honest.

COV said:

Underneath it all Southgate himself will know better than anyone what a chance has been blown.

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Or will he think look at all these people who are saying how well we have done I must be a success.

In a competition like this second is nothing.

COV said:

I know, but in that situation why depend on what the keeper does?

Take control of the situation- pick a spot and whack it so that even if the keeper guesses right he can’t keep it out

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shmmeee said:

Saw this on Twitter, interesting and perhaps answers why Sterling didn’t take one and why Sancho did:

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they were brought on far too late Phillips and stones should of been ahead of Saka but we don’t know how they were in training

CJ_covblaze said:

I doubt they’ll care about England anyway until November next year.

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Tbf if anyone said that about City fans not going all the time they'd be called out on here for it. Not everyone can afford every game, especially away internationals.

Evo1883 said:

Apparently in the coming world rankings

England move up to 3 , Italy move up to 5

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It's a points based system over (I think) 2 years. Italy on the up and will likely hit the top by the next world cup. They just had further to climb than we did.

Mr Panda said:

As good as Kalvin Phillips and Rice have been this tournament, I'd love for a Veratti style player to come in and just knit everything together.

Not sure we have that right now in this country but theres a huge opportunity for someone who just comes short, offers themselves, totally confident taking the ball and keeping it moving.

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Bellingham will have another 2 years under his belt. Rice also has a massive future. Henderson will still be in the reckoning too. We're looking pretty good for the future at that position. Defensive depth still my main concern. Take out Stones or Maguire there's a big drop off.

CJ_covblaze said:

They’re not fans. They’re scum. Hopefully we won’t be seeing them anywhere near our games again after the proper good hiding they got from the fellas inside. I doubt they’ll care about England anyway until November next year.

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Qatar way too unrealistic. Would love to get to Germany ‘24 though.

Whilst we would appear to have an idiot fan population greater than some/most countries, we do love a bit of the old self-flagellation. So far, one UK account has been identified as being the source of racist abuse, whilst Southgate has said that the data shows overseas accounts to be involved. When the PL recently has looked into abuse from 10 accounts, 3 were from Asia, 2 from the middle east, 3 from Africa and 2 from the UK, and and none were shown to have affiliations (e.g. by way of season ticket or account holdings) with football clubs.

Needless to say, the English haters are loving it, and yet chances are it's overseas again doing the damage.

Evo1883 said:

It's absolutely the right thing to do if he chooses to go .

2 favourable run ins at 2 major tournaments , 1 being at home basically .

Tactically immature when it mattered , HOWEVER that's not to say he hasn't progressed us , we just need somebody who can find the correct balance ... we have so much talent sat on the bench to try and grind results out instead yet we have to play to our strengths more .

Whatever he chooses I thank him but that was our chance last night and he absolutely got it wrong second half onwards

Croatia 2018
Holland 2019
Italy 2021

3 games that mattered , got it wrong

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That’s a pretty harsh assessment.

This is a young team and they got beat by more experienced team. By and large, we managed their threats well, and in the end we were undone by a fortunate goal. In fairness to you, Italy were the better team with more possession and shots than us and it felt like we were being passive and too conservative. We lost on penalties, and the team that shoots first wins more often than not, so we were unlucky in that sense.

We have promising young team and they’ve got finals experience already. 2022 and 2024 we will be amongst the favourites and rightfully so.

Southgate will learn from this like he learnt from 2018.

Mucca Mad Boys said:

That’s a pretty harsh assessment.

This is a young team and they got beat by more experienced team. By and large, we managed their threats well, and in the end we were undone by a fortunate goal. In fairness to you, Italy were the better team with more possession and shots than us and it felt like we were being passive and too conservative. We lost on penalties, and the team that shoots first wins more often than not, so we were unlucky in that sense.

We have promising young team and they’ve got finals experience already. 2022 and 2024 we will be amongst the favourites and rightfully so.

Southgate will learn from this like he learnt from 2018.

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Well we haven’t got long to wait to find out anyway

COV said:

Underneath it all Southgate himself will know better than anyone what a chance has been blown.

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There’s no shame in losing to the best team of the tournament so far. Mancini is one of the best managers in international football too.

The mentality has got to be ‘we’ll get to the final of the next tournament’. Under Lowe, Germany got to a final in 2008 and two semi finals before winning the World Cup in 2014.

Our time will come and football will come home, eventually.

Just seen this on a friends post:

This is England⚽️

This is England: Raheem Sterling, whose big sister would go with him to training and back every day, three buses each way, and never once complained. Raheem Sterling, who called the day he bought his mum a house ‘the best day of my life.’

This is England: Jordan Henderson, who spent most of the first lockdown last year organising the other 19 Premiership captains to help raise money for the NHS.

This is England: Marcus Rashford, who secured free school meals for vulnerable kids during school holidays after the government had refused to extend the programme. Marcus Rashford, who lives by the words of his mother Melanie: ‘take pride in knowing that your struggle will play the biggest role in your purpose.’

This is England: Mason Mount, who gave the shirt he’d worn in the semi-final victory over Denmark to a 10-year-old girl called Belle in the crowd, and in doing her made her smile a smile so incandescent it could melt the Siberian permafrost.

This is England: Tyrone Mings, who spent part of his childhood in a homeless shelter, who played non-league football while working as a barman and mortgage advisor, and who tells kids at the coaching camps he runs that the game is nothing unless they enjoy it. Tyrone Mings, who was taunted with monkey chants on his England debut against Bulgaria and didn’t pretend he hadn’t heard, who turned to the assistant referee and said, firmly but without aggression, ‘did you hear that?’ As in: we’ve got a problem here, you’re part of the officiating team, so this is your problem too and I’m not going to let you duck it, because though this was the most important match of his life there were some things which were more important still than that.

This is England: Luke Shaw, who when playing for Southampton watched Liverpool players file unseeingly past two small boys waiting for their autographs, and who went over and said ‘I know I don’t play for your team, but will I do?’ and posed for a photo with them which they will never forget.

This is England: Declan Rice, who would play cage football in New Malden every day after school and all day on Saturdays, not because he was the best but because he wasn’t.

This is England: Bukayo Saka, who got As and A*s in his GCSEs because his parents insisted that he work as hard inside the classroom as he did on the pitch. Bukayo Saka, whose Christian name in Yoruba means ‘adds to happiness.’

This is England: Kieran Trippier, who still speaks regularly to his old teachers at Woodhey High School in Bury because they looked out for him and his brothers. Kieran Trippier, who every day has cause to reflect on the truth of the inscription by the school gates: ‘where dreams may grow.’

This is England: Kalvin Phillips, whose mum worked two jobs while his dad was in and out of prison. One of those jobs was at Harpo’s Pizzas, where you can now order the Kalvin’s Special.

This is England: Gareth Southgate, who until recently was most famous for missing a penalty he had the balls to volunteer for even though he’d never taken one before, because he knew what Teddy Roosevelt meant when he talked about the man in the arena.

These, too, are England: a system which rewards the venal, the vainglorious and the mendacious; tribes which assume the worst of each other and snipe over Brexit, lockdown and masks; public services creaking under the strain of decades of underfunding; kids getting stabbed and women getting attacked; morons who boo the opponents’ national anthems and shine laser pens at their goalkeepers; and so very, very much more. These too are England, and they will still be so next week, next month and next year.

But, if only for today, there is an England of Raheem Sterling and Jordan Henderson, of Marcus Rashford and Mason Mount, of Tyrone Mings and Luke Shaw, of Declan Rice and Bukayo Saka, of Kieran Trippier and Kalvin Phillips, and of Gareth Southgate. If only for today, this is my England. You choose yours.

I thought Southgate got it wrong tactically and team selection tbh. He paid the price for some inepitude when the game was going away from us. Subs were far too late. As for penalties, the coach should have the balls to pick the takers and understand surely that a young Saka was not the ideal choice in such a final. Grealish, Sterling I understand wanted it but the manager stuck with the pre planned training stats. The final was not a training pitch! yeah he got it wrong last night and he will learn. but Italy unbeaten in 33 games tells you what you were up against. No disgrace for England overall, we were beaten by the better side on the night and of the tournament tbf.

Paxman II said:

I thought Southgate got it wrong tactically and team selection tbh. He paid the price for some inepitude when the game was going away from us. Subs were far too late. As for penalties, the coach should have the balls to pick the takers and understand surely that a young Saka was not the ideal choice in such a final. Grealish, Sterling I understand wanted it but the manager stuck with the pre planned training stats. The final was not a training pitch! yeah he got it wrong last night and he will learn. but Italy unbeaten in 33 games tells you what you were up against. No disgrace for England overall, we were beaten by the better side on the night and of the tournament tbf.

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He says he did choose?

Macca said:

I reckon we are all having a better day than this lady

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Umm...they are Polish fans. You would have thought she would have checked first wouldn't you

SlowerThanPlatt said:

He says he did choose?

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Maybe I’m wrong but I took it to mean that even though he’d made his picks in advance, he should have had the nous to see that Saka wasn’t right for one. And I’d say he’s correct in that assumption.

Sky Blue Pete said:

He got us to the final of this tournament and the semi in the last.

Is success for you winning and that’s it? It’s so frustrating

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robbiekeane said:

You're all off your head. Got us to the semi finals of a world cup for the first time since when, and then got us to the final of a european championship for the first time ever. And all you lot can do is have a go at him for not winning. Utter madness.

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But in both tournaments he had pretty favourable fixtures, and this one was practically at home for us.

I'll admit I got quite a few things wrong about this tournament. I wasn't convinced on Maguire's fitness. I wasn't sure about Phillips and Rice but both were immense. I thought the likes of Pickford and Stones would at some point make a costly gaffe, but again both excellent. But last night the manager made tactical errors and was outthought by Mancini.

Paxman II said:

I thought Southgate got it wrong tactically and team selection tbh. He paid the price for some inepitude when the game was going away from us. Subs were far too late. As for penalties, the coach should have the balls to pick the takers and understand surely that a young Saka was not the ideal choice in such a final. Grealish, Sterling I understand wanted it but the manager stuck with the pre planned training stats. The final was not a training pitch! yeah he got it wrong last night and he will learn. but Italy unbeaten in 33 games tells you what you were up against. No disgrace for England overall, we were beaten by the better side on the night and of the tournament tbf.

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Losing can be a very positive thing if you learn from it and get better for it.

I’m not sure we can say for sure that we learned from the Croatia match having seen last nights match.

But we’ll see in Qatar, wouldn’t want Southgate to go now but if we waste this current crop of players then big questions have to be asked.

COV said:

Just catching up on the bbc website, they're making it sound like it was a warzone around Wembley & saying that banning orders are already being handed out, sounds like it wasn't pretty last night if all true

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It's really annoying how we've got a small number of people who have to be complete and utter dicks all the time. To a much lesser even the dick that invaded the pitch. All this is going to ensure there's a reason to make sure we don't host a tournament for a fair while.

As for the abuse online, they can fuck off. Most especially those that brought race into it. I've criticised the penalties on here, but no more than a pundit would do in a studio. To actually go and abuse someone is just not on.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:

It's really annoying how we've got a small number of people who have to be complete and utter dicks all the time. To a much lesser even the dick that invaded the pitch. All this is going to ensure there's a reason to make sure we don't host a tournament for a fair while.

As for the abuse online, they can fuck off. Most especially those that brought race into it. I've criticised the penalties on here, but no more than a pundit would do in a studio. To actually go and abuse someone is just not on.

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Oh yeah agreed on that 100%. There’s no getting around the fact that Rashford and Sancho’s penalties were really poor but to start coming out with that stuff is just bewildering, not sure what kind of sick mind does it.

I think the racist cunts on social media have given a very welcome distraction from the dross.

Paxman II said:

I thought Southgate got it wrong tactically and team selection tbh. He paid the price for some inepitude when the game was going away from us. Subs were far too late. As for penalties, the coach should have the balls to pick the takers and understand surely that a young Saka was not the ideal choice in such a final. Grealish, Sterling I understand wanted it but the manager stuck with the pre planned training stats. The final was not a training pitch! yeah he got it wrong last night and he will learn. but Italy unbeaten in 33 games tells you what you were up against. No disgrace for England overall, we were beaten by the better side on the night and of the tournament tbf.

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Has Grealish ever taken a penalty in a professional first-team game?

Sick Boy said:

Has Grealish ever taken a penalty in a professional first-team game?

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Yeah 2, he missed at Sheffield United and scored at Wolves last year