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Great_Expectations

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,271
Grendel said:
Even when they have qualified against 3 teams we believe are superior to us
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Yes, despite the confidence and momentum they’ll have, we’re still a superior team and the weaker of the three, at least on paper.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,272
COV said:
I think I’m right in saying it was you who said lots of our players would walk into the France team wasn’t it?
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Absolutely , this has absolutely ZERO to do with the manager , my decision was based on club form which I said at the time.

That's got Jack shizen to do with Southgate getting the best from our team
 

COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,273
Italy are way out in front as the best team I’ve seen so far

It’s a wide open tournament, nobody stands out as obvious favourites
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,274
Evo1883 said:
We will give them a good game , but I'm not sure we beat them , we absolutely must be better than we have done in the last 2 matches
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We will get battered 3/4-0
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,275
Ccfcisparks said:
We will get battered 3/4-0
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If we play like we have been we have every chance of conceding 4
 

COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,276
Evo1883 said:
Absolutely , this has absolutely ZERO to do with the manager , my decision was based on club form which I said at the time.

That's got Jack shizen to do with Southgate getting the best from our team
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But Southgate has got more out of his team than Joachim Low has got out of Germany?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,277
COV said:
Italy are way out in front as the best team I’ve seen so far

It’s a wide open tournament, nobody stands out as obvious favourites
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Well we agree on that atleast , they are everything I want England to be
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,278
Evo1883 said:
If we play like we have been we have every chance of conceding 4
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Untested against an astute and organised attack. It wouldn’t be good.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,279
COV said:
But Southgate has got more out of his team than Joachim Low has got out of Germany?
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He's won the world Cup and Germany are in transition
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,280
Evo1883 said:
To be fair, he's got a world Cup trophy that buys him some time
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Exactly. Before his success he was criticised quite heavily for his negativity.

Tolisso is playing on the right. They have the likes of Dembele, Martial, Coman and so on in that slot. Matuidi started on the left wing in their world cup winning side.

Even if France go on to lose (I don’t think they will) you’d be a fool to discount them after an underwhelming group stage.
 

COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,281
Evo1883 said:
Well we agree on that atleast , they are everything I want England to be
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We could beat them- I don’t see anyone to be afraid of… nobody is head & shoulders above the rest in this whole thing
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,282
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Exactly. Before his success he was criticised quite heavily for his negativity.

Tolisso is playing on the right. They have the likes of Dembele, Martial, Coman and so on in that slot. Matuidi started on the left wing in their world cup winning side.

Even if France go on to lose (I don’t think they will) you’d be a fool to discount them after an underwhelming group stage.
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We can't compare Southgate to deschamps

A man who won marseille a league title , juventus a title and France a world Cup and a european championship runner up

Are we all thinking straight here
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,283
Great_Expectations said:
Just to clarify, you know my point re Southgate was sarcastic? Think you do from your post, but want to be clear - there’s a few posters I don’t want to be in the same boat as.
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I did not realise you were being sarcastic!
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,284
SlowerThanPlatt said:
If that’s a penalty we’re not far off it being a non contact sport
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Although not sending off the keeper suggests the opposite
 

COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,285
Evo1883 said:
He's won the world Cup and Germany are in transition
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Irrelevant, nobody- least of all the Germans- go by sentiment, and that is as 7 years ago
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,286
COV said:
Irrelevant, nobody- least of all the Germans- go by sentiment, and that is as 7 years ago
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I really Dont think it's irrelevant

But he's leaving after this tournament anyway
 

COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,287
Evo1883 said:
We can't compare Southgate to deschamps

A man who won marseille a league title , juventus a title and France a world Cup and a european championship runner up

Are we all thinking straight here
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But we don’t have a single English manager with a record anywhere near that. There are no options.

Can you not see that you are asking and expecting the utterly impossible?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,288
COV said:
But we don’t have a single English manager with a record anywhere near that. There are no options.
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We don't have to employ an English manager ... footballs about winning ... get a winner in
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,289
We aren't out yet anyway , let's hold these discussions for when we go out .
 

COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,290
Evo1883 said:
We don't have to employ an English manager ... footballs about winning ... get a winner in
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There’s no rule, but I personally think the manager should be from the country he’s managing.

Its a terrible & embarrassing state of affairs when a country like England can’t find an English manager
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,291
Evo1883 said:
We can't compare Southgate to deschamps

A man who won marseille a league title , juventus a title and France a world Cup

Are we all thinking straight here
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He won Serie B with Juventus. Just to clarify for the audience.

Deschamps is a good manager, but was undoubtedly in the managerial wilderness before going to France.

In fact, lost to Hodgson’s England and knockout at the quarters in 2012 and 2014. Then, things started coming together for France leading up to 2016.

Joachim Löw, who managed FK Austria Wien, is one of the best international managers in the 2010s. The Netherlands have De Boer who had a torrid time at Palace in the Prem.

Club management does not equate to success in international management.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,292
Evo1883 said:
We don't have to employ an English manager ... footballs about winning ... get a winner in
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don't tell cj that
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,293
COV said:
There’s no rule, but I personally think the manager should be from the country he’s managing.

Its a terrible & embarrassing state of affairs when a country like England can’t find an English manager
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fuck that

best manager we can get
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,294
BRING ON THE HUNGARIANS
 
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COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,295
YES

Hungary it is as things stand
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,296
Well that is potentially really good for us
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,297
Mucca Mad Boys said:
He won Serie B with Juventus. Just to clarify for the audience.

Deschamps is a good manager, but was undoubtedly in the managerial wilderness before going to France.

In fact, lost to Hodgson’s England and knockout at the quarters in 2012 and 2014. Then, things started coming together for France leading up to 2016.

Joachim Löw, who managed FK Austria Wien, is one of the best international managers in the 2010s. The Netherlands have De Boer who had a torrid time at Palace in the Prem.

Club management does not equate to success in international management.
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I just can't, if you are happy with the direction we are going then fair enough ...that's your opinion and I disagree .

If you want to keep Southgate if we fail , then that's fine ..

There are many of us who won't want to
 

Great_Expectations

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,298
I like Southgate, and whatever happens I think he’ll be in charge for the WC. His record is good, despite reserved tactics. I don’t buy the easy route argument, he can’t control who we play, his job is to beat the opposition which he’s done better than others have in a long time.

Equally, we have such an array of talent and he hasn’t utilised them as effectively as he could have - at least in terms of performance. I would hope now Maguire is back, he may allow the full backs and/or one of the CM’s more freedom.

Ironically despite being our best striker by a mile, Kane’s tendency to drop deep impedes selection somewhat, as he needs to play a Sterling/Rashford/Sancho/Saka as he needs a runner, which is why he can’t/won’t play Foden/Grealish/Mount as the three behind him.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,299
If we do draw Hungary, what's the potential quarters ?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,300
Ostigard like leap from Ronaldo
 

Great_Expectations

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,301
Let’s all pray Hungary hold on and France don’t concede again!!
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,302
Fuck off,get back on the pitch.
 

COV

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,303
Evo1883 said:
If we do draw Hungary, what's the potential quarters ?
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Sweden
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,304
wingy said:
Fuck off,get back on the pitch.
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We want them to win you know?
 

SomersetSB

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  • Jun 23, 2021
  • #4,305
Another Hungary goal would be nice!!
 
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