Evo1883
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That let's Southgate off the hook, he's definitely not getting the best of this lot
That let's Southgate off the hook, he's definitely not getting the best of this lotTheir over rated mate surrounded by good players at club level who help them look better than they actually are
Found out in the World Cup mate tactically he’s garbage player selection tonight and system was bizarreThat let's Southgate off the hook, he's definitely not getting the best of this lot
Lets just be grateful the Euros were moved. He's not getting sacked so we better hope he comes up with a workable solution. There is serious talent in this side.
Lets just be grateful the Euros were moved. He's not getting sacked so we better hope he comes up with a workable solution. There is serious talent in this side.
To be fair Southgate was never a good manager...We constantly slate the managers... Capello, Eriksson etc, we're the very best available at the time. Did they suddenly become "shit" when they took the England job?
Or do we keep get fooled into believing the media hype that we have the best young players in the world.
We were fortunate in the WC.... The width of a post from looking like going out to Colombia on pens... Then Southgate would have been sacked.... It actually helped that we got to the semis as it gave Southgate some credit and with a little bit of continuity we have done fairly well since.
But now a couple of poor performances and everyone is at the manager again.
We constantly slate the managers... Capello, Eriksson etc, were the very best available at the time. Did they suddenly become "shit" when they took the England job?
Or do we keep get fooled into believing the media hype that we have the best young players in the world.
We were fortunate in the WC.... The width of a post from looking like going out to Colombia on pens... Then Southgate would have been sacked.... It actually helped that we got to the semis as it gave Southgate some credit and with a little bit of continuity we have done fairly well since.
But now a couple of poor performances and everyone is at the manager again.
Dortmund use Sancho effectively and just paid £25m for an English kid that has only played in the championship. The European champions were desperate to sign Hudson-Odoi, Pep said Foden was "the most talented player" he'd ever seen. We've historically massively overacted our talent but the FA and clubs actually invested in academy football and the players are now coming through. We've won youth world cups and the Toulon Tournament in recent years.I'm not saying that Southgate is a genius. I'm just saying that (as usual) we massively overrate the ability of our players on the world stage.
ThisDortmund use Sancho effectively and just paid £25m for an English kid that has only played in the championship. The European champions were desperate to sign Hudson-Odoi, Pep said Foden was "the most talented player" he'd ever seen. We've historically massively overacted our talent but the FA and clubs actually invested in academy football and the players are now coming through. We've won youth world cups and the Toulon Tournament in recent years.
We need to just do simple things like not putting 7 behind the ball when playing teams happy for a point.
I still have nightmares about the time when Mowbray tried and persisted with that formation before getting the chop.This is the system we're playing, it's never going to work
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If you want wingers you play like this
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If you want wing backs you play like this (Don't tell anybody about the box, that's ours)
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This isn't about having great players, Croatia made the World Cup final with a couple off really good players and some hard workers. This is about basic systematics when breaking down a deep lying opponent. It's frustrating because we seem to go through the same thing all the time.
One of the many reasons I was anxious about going to a back 5 last year but we certainly got it right this time around. I guess not relying on Ryan Haynes to be your main creative outlet helps at least a little.I still have nightmares about the time when Mowbray tried and persisted with that formation before getting the chop.
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If I remember rightly we had Jamie Sterry and Lewis Paige as wing backs, then Kyle Reid and Jodi Jones on the wing in the 3 up top, with absolutely no space to operate as the wingbacks were in in the way.One of the many reasons I was anxious about going to a back 5 last year but we certainly got it right this time around. I guess not relying on Ryan Haynes to be your main creative outlet helps at least a little.
I actually think it's a better team if you're accepting France, for example, are a lot better than you and you need to close down all the space, draw them on to you then release the pace of Sterling and Sancho and leave Kane high up to push the defence back and create space.I'm still a bit perplexed by the whole Kalvin Phillips thing. Never played a top flight game in any country, 24 so not like he's a hugely talented youngster, not played age groups which seems to be the way into the senior set up now regardless of progression.
Who would genuinely had picked him in the squad for these games, let alone played him.
But Southgate to me is reminiscent of Coleman's style of management. Defend so you're determined not to concede and hope for a moment of magic from a star player or a bit of luck. There's no future in this style of play and a decent team will tear us to bits playing like that.
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