Surely they must be joking!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...land-fourth-best-world-new-FIFA-rankings.html
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England up to 4th in World rankings (1 Viewer)
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CovScott88
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How exactly does that work?!
Well, according to that article in the DM, it's based on the last 4 years of results, with more emphasis placed on recent results and giving less emphasis on the World Cup last year. I also would like to know the exact formula as it seems thoroughly flawed. Surely Argentina at #10 and England at #4 is Blatter poking fun at England isn't it? The rest of the world must be quaking to know they will be playing England soon. I don't think I'd fancy England against any of the top 10 listed, do you?
CovScott88
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Absolutely not, we just aren't good enough.
SkyBlue_Bear83
Well-Known Member
tbh I would still fancy our chances against the likes of Italy, Croatia, Mexico and possibly Portugal. Given the way we have performed in the last few years though I am surprised to see us in the top 10 though
According to the FIFA site, this is the 'new' and 'old' methods of calculating the rankings.
COMPARISON OF BASIC CALCULATION CRITERIA
New World Ranking
Old world ranking
Matches
New:All international "A" matches
Old:All international "A" matches
Result: Win-Draw-Defeat
New:3 points -1 points – 0 points
Old:Complex points allocation
Importance of match
New:1 (friendly match) to 4 (FIFA World Cup™)
Old:1 (friendly match) to 2 (FIFA World Cup™)
Strength of opponent
New
osition in world ranking (no. 1 = 2.00, no. 30 = 1.70, no. 118 = 0.82 etc.)
Formula: [200 - Position] / 100
Old:Complex calculation based on difference in strength of teams
Regional strength
New:Based on results in last three FIFA World Cups (wins per confederation per match)
Old:Complex calculation based on all inter-continental matches played in the previous 12 months
Period
New:Last four years, gradual decline in importance of results: 100%- 50% - 30% - 20%
Old:Last 8 years with linear importance of results
Number of matches considered per year
New:Average points gained from all matches in last 12 months (minimum: 5 matches)
Old:Complex calculation (average between best 7 matches and all matches)
Number of goals
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Newoints value from the difference between goals for and goals against
Home and away matches
--
New:3-point bonus for away team
COMPARISON OF BASIC CALCULATION CRITERIA
New World Ranking
Old world ranking
Matches
New:All international "A" matches
Old:All international "A" matches
Result: Win-Draw-Defeat
New:3 points -1 points – 0 points
Old:Complex points allocation
Importance of match
New:1 (friendly match) to 4 (FIFA World Cup™)
Old:1 (friendly match) to 2 (FIFA World Cup™)
Strength of opponent
New
osition in world ranking (no. 1 = 2.00, no. 30 = 1.70, no. 118 = 0.82 etc.)Formula: [200 - Position] / 100
Old:Complex calculation based on difference in strength of teams
Regional strength
New:Based on results in last three FIFA World Cups (wins per confederation per match)
Old:Complex calculation based on all inter-continental matches played in the previous 12 months
Period
New:Last four years, gradual decline in importance of results: 100%- 50% - 30% - 20%
Old:Last 8 years with linear importance of results
Number of matches considered per year
New:Average points gained from all matches in last 12 months (minimum: 5 matches)
Old:Complex calculation (average between best 7 matches and all matches)
Number of goals
--
New
oints value from the difference between goals for and goals againstHome and away matches
--
New:3-point bonus for away team
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Ernie Machin
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The only team on that list we are capable of drawing with would be Croatia. We'd get stuffed by all the others. Realistically, I'd put England somewhere between 15th and 20th, based on recent form.
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Yeah, but remember this is England we're talking about, who blow hot and cold on the day....mostly cold.
Ernie Machin
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We're too hard on the England team. We're not bad, we're just not elite. Carragher's comments this week were spot on, the players show fear when they play for England, instead of playing their natural game. Case in point: John Barnes.
ajsccfc
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I wouldn't put money on England beating the sides, but I wouldn't bank on a defeat either. I think we're about the same level as them, which has got to be depressing for the Italians really.
You could be right. I still live in the past, where the Three Lions were a 'force to be reckoned with'. I guess the rest of the world just caught up with England, and some overtook them. I still think that there will be an African winner of the World Cup in the next 4 WC's.....that's how much they've caught up. The States and Switzerland, formerly no-hopers, have shown just how much catching up they have done in the last 20 years. I remember when France were no-hopers and quite inferior. And so the list goes on.....
Still can't help thinking England need some imagination/creation on the field. Still don't make enough opportunities around the net and not sure we've got the talent to take those opportunities when they eventually come. Fear could be a factor I suppose, but why don't the Germans suffer with the same. Their fans expect them to win, and win handsomely, in every game they play. The Germans play the way I wish England played...the way WE used to play.....perhaps I should be German......ach nein!
rob9872
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They say you make your own luck but in major tournaments we really have not had the rub of the green whether it be by decisions or by our own failure in shoot-outs, but there are valid excuses for many early exits.
It's when looked at as a whole and the expectation levels and negativity that surrounds the team heaping undue pressure on them. But for a few small changes our record could have been comparable with that of Germany, but it isn't. I'm not suggesting that we have been great or that we deserved anything we haven't got, just that with the same set of players and tornanments and even circumstances, there but for one kick or one save ...
Each time we are beaten as if we have some divine right to win, the players and staff are lambasted from all angles and we are told how we should play more like this team or that team because they have success. Spain are currently who we should be copying according to everyone, but until recently they were billed as massive under-achievers who qualify well and fail to deliver. You can't 'out-Spain' Spain as Arsenal found out with Barcelona. We need to play the English way, have the odd break here and there and our time will come.
At the start of each major tournament you look at the big nations which are half a dozen from Europe plus Argentina and Brazil and know that you would be happy to take them against the rest. Sure there will be surprises and I agree that other teams and especially some of the African teams are improving and becoming often more organised or tactically aware, but we're still one of those eight teams that I percieve will have a chance. You ask most of the big nations who are the three sides they most would like to beat and I'm sure we would appear in almost all of their lists. There is probably something inherently wrong as to why we don't get those breaks and ranked 4th might be too high and the criteria need adjusting, but I'm convinced we remain worthy of a top 10 place despite being long starved of success.
It's when looked at as a whole and the expectation levels and negativity that surrounds the team heaping undue pressure on them. But for a few small changes our record could have been comparable with that of Germany, but it isn't. I'm not suggesting that we have been great or that we deserved anything we haven't got, just that with the same set of players and tornanments and even circumstances, there but for one kick or one save ...
Each time we are beaten as if we have some divine right to win, the players and staff are lambasted from all angles and we are told how we should play more like this team or that team because they have success. Spain are currently who we should be copying according to everyone, but until recently they were billed as massive under-achievers who qualify well and fail to deliver. You can't 'out-Spain' Spain as Arsenal found out with Barcelona. We need to play the English way, have the odd break here and there and our time will come.
At the start of each major tournament you look at the big nations which are half a dozen from Europe plus Argentina and Brazil and know that you would be happy to take them against the rest. Sure there will be surprises and I agree that other teams and especially some of the African teams are improving and becoming often more organised or tactically aware, but we're still one of those eight teams that I percieve will have a chance. You ask most of the big nations who are the three sides they most would like to beat and I'm sure we would appear in almost all of their lists. There is probably something inherently wrong as to why we don't get those breaks and ranked 4th might be too high and the criteria need adjusting, but I'm convinced we remain worthy of a top 10 place despite being long starved of success.
rob9872
Well-Known Member
We got what we deserved in most of these, but definitely due a rub of the green:
82 never lost a game
86 hand of God
90 Semi-final penalties
94 DNQ – Koeman free-kick when he should have been off
96 – Semi final penalties (definitely the better side then too imo)
98 – penalties v Argentina (after the Beckham incident)
00 – late penalty v Romania
02 – poor tactics in the heat lost to Brazil who were awesome but missed tackle from metartasal scared Beckham for their winner
04 – lost on penalties to Portugal
06 – lost on penalties to Portugal
08 – DNQ – wally with the brolly
10 – Well beaten by Germany but Lampard’s over the line was 2-2
12 – ??
82 never lost a game
86 hand of God
90 Semi-final penalties
94 DNQ – Koeman free-kick when he should have been off
96 – Semi final penalties (definitely the better side then too imo)
98 – penalties v Argentina (after the Beckham incident)
00 – late penalty v Romania
02 – poor tactics in the heat lost to Brazil who were awesome but missed tackle from metartasal scared Beckham for their winner
04 – lost on penalties to Portugal
06 – lost on penalties to Portugal
08 – DNQ – wally with the brolly
10 – Well beaten by Germany but Lampard’s over the line was 2-2
12 – ??
SkyBlue_Bear83
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The same Croatia we beat 4-1 and 5-1 in recent years, England are not a bad team. As a nation we are going through a difficult time. Hopefully the new transfer rules will encourage teams to blood through new youngsters. Also make sure the next manager can speak English unlike Capello
