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blunted · Jan 17, 2023

Palmer is a class player who was not trusted (possibly unfairly) by some of his previous managers. Bristol City seem to have a recurring problem in that respect. Our coaching staff have a habit of taking underrated players, or those who have lost their way and developing them correctly. Palmer cost 5 million previously at a young age and has a perfect pedigree which is still a yardstick for his potential. It certainly does not appear his attitude (unlike say Kane) has been a problem. I think his fitness and contribution has improved slowly as the season has gone on and it is unfortunate that his improved performances have coincided with our terrible injury record and a resultant drop in results. Think he will prove to be another shrewd signing. On here some of the geniuses of football analysis, have at one time or another said Gyo, Sheaf, Bidwell, Doyle, Panzo, Wilson, O'Hare, Fadz, Godden, Allen, Dabo, Eccles, in effect virtually the whole team are useless. Add the rest of the squad too, although some may prove to be past their sell by date, those who are returning from injury must be given a chance to recover.

Grendel · Jan 17, 2023

PVA said:
I don't want to turn this into a Biamou thread, but whatever anyone thinks about him he was part of the team that went from League Two to the Championship. How is that a decline? Its quite literally the opposite.

So was Jordan Shipley

PVA · Jan 17, 2023

Grendel said:
So was Jordan Shipley

Erm, OK?

Frostie · Jan 17, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Really? What on earth counts as a 'long shot', because I don't see many that are anything other than a dribble to the keeper, or an attack on the spectators or corner flags!

Our average shot distance is 19.2 yards . Doesn't have to be a good shot!

Grendel · Jan 17, 2023

PVA said:
Erm, OK?

Laughed at on here by many posters but oddly still plying his trade in tbe division down from here - unlike someone

PVA · Jan 17, 2023

Grendel said:
Laughed at on here by many posters but oddly still plying his trade in tbe division down from here - unlike someone

What are you even blathering on about? Amazing that you complain about people bringing up other irrelevant players in discussions as you make a thread on Kasey Palmer about Biamou and Shipley

Grendel · Jan 17, 2023

PVA said:
What are you even blathering on about? Amazing that you complain about people bringing up other irrelevant players in discussions as you make a thread on Kasey Palmer about Biamou and Shipley

Er you mentioned Biamou didn’t you? You’ve literally latched onto one reference from me and then tried to divert it to him

PVA · Jan 17, 2023

Grendel said:
Er you mentioned Biamou didn’t you? You’ve literally latched onto one reference from me and then tried to divert it to him

Good grief

No, you brought up Biamou. Then, bizarrely, Shipley.

Is everything OK?

Grendel · Jan 17, 2023

PVA said:
Good grief

No, you brought up Biamou. Then, bizarrely, Shipley.

Is everything OK?

I didn’t bring up anything

To be fair this has been a fairly reasonable discussion and no one has acted Ike a child until now with silly emojis and bang on your head nonsense

you’ve backed palmer to the hilt. Fair enough - I think you’ll be made to look foolish as I think like every other club he’s played for he will be a let down and a waste of a wage

Oddly I’m hardly alone with that view either am I?

PVA · Jan 17, 2023

Grendel said:
I didn’t bring up anything

To be fair this has been a fairly reasonable discussion and no one has acted Ike a child until now with silly emojis and bang on your head nonsense

you’ve backed palmer to the hilt. Fair enough - I think you’ll be made to look foolish as I think like every other club he’s played for he will be a let down and a waste of a wage

Oddly I’m hardly alone with that view either am I?

You literally did bring Biamou up, it's right there. Why do you constantly deny stuff in black and white?

No you're not alone, and you're welcome to back whoever you like. It's the absurd arguments and ridiculous hypocrisy you constantly display depending on what your argument is at the time that people don't like.

Grendel · Jan 17, 2023

PVA said:
You literally did bring Biamou up, it's right there. Why do you constantly deny stuff in black and white?

No you're not alone, and you're welcome to back whoever you like. It's the absurd arguments and ridiculous hypocrisy you constantly display depending on what your argument is at the time that people don't like.

You are ranting - it’s boring and what people don’t like what I’m saying out of interest

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 17, 2023

Palmer has done nothing noteworthy but also has shown he has the potential to be a decent signing if he applies himself.

Fans get excited about 1 good touch, pass or piece of skill every 30 minutes but he needs to be more involved and doing this every 5 or 10 minutes like O'Hare does when in the team ans playing at his best

Skyblueweeman · Jan 17, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
But all your first and last sentences are irrelevant to the point being discussed.

Not really. You said that MRs inability to change players has backfired. My point is that, well, not really.

If he was an unsuccessful manager whose decisions were responsible for our downfall, then yes...his ability to change players would've backfired.

But that's not the case. Has there been duds under his stewardship? Sure.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 17, 2023

Skyblueweeman said:
Not really. You said that MRs inability to change players has backfired. My point is that, well, not really.

If he was an unsuccessful manager whose decisions were responsible for our downfall, then yes...his ability to change players would've backfired.

But that's not the case. Has there been duds under his stewardship? Sure.

He hasn't been successful in turning poachers into all-round strikers, that's elf-evident.

That being the case in no way means he's a bad manager, but it's a bit irrelevant to justify that in that case when talking about those players!

Perryccfc · Jan 17, 2023

Really like Palmer, think he will settle down and maybe next season we will see the best of him. But he’s a very talented footballer with the ball at his feet.

Rodders1 · Jan 17, 2023

He’s a great signing in my opinion. Works hard (the mention of being lazy is bollocks - he presses well). He’s very technical, good touch and has a directness about him. Raised the standard of the squad.

Offhegoes · Jan 18, 2023

The Palmer / O'Hare / Vik combination would get us promotion across a whole season. We may not see that, now that O'Hare is out for the season and Vik may go in the summer. However, I still think O'Hare & Palmer behind a striker would be lethal (even Godden).

Terry_dactyl · Jan 18, 2023

I’m a big fan of Palmer. He seems unplayable at times. The only time I thought he looked out of sorts was after 20 mins vs Bristol City but the whole side looked a bit ropey then. He was brilliant up until that point.
Is it a luxury to have someone in the side who’s very good at football?

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 18, 2023

Terry_dactyl said:
Is it a luxury to have someone in the side who’s very good at football?

Football is about more than close control and a nifty trick however

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 18, 2023

Offhegoes said:
The Palmer / O'Hare / Vik combination would get us promotion across a whole season. We may not see that, now that O'Hare is out for the season and Vik may go in the summer. However, I still think O'Hare & Palmer behind a striker would be lethal (even Godden).

I have to disagree I'm afraid. Two non-goal scoring attacking midfielders behind a lone striker I doubt would pull up any trees over any extended period.

shmmeee · Jan 18, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Football is about more than close control and a nifty trick however

Its about more than running too but that doesn’t stop your love of Jamie Allen

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 22, 2023

Yesterday was maybe a fine example - an excellent spell including a fine finish, and good passing range. But for whatever reason (fitness) he then vanishes and becomes a passenger. People cling to the good spell and make it longer than it actually was but the effectiveness for us as a team wasn't there for the game. It's easier to deny the vanishing as it doesn't stand out like the finish for the goal.

I'd say push him further forward generally, but we expect Gyokeres to do an awful lot of work too.

Sick Boy · Jan 22, 2023

Someone yesterday claimed he was superior and more important to us than CoH, which is just nonsense.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 22, 2023

Sick Boy said:
Someone yesterday claimed he was superior and more important to us than CoH, which is just nonsense.

If he could keep his best going for a whole game he would be. But he can't.

Tommo1993 · Jan 22, 2023

Hasn’t got it in his locker to be half as influential as COH.

Grendel · Jan 22, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
If he could keep his best going for a whole game he would be. But he can't.

which is why he’s here

Sky Blue Harry H · Jan 22, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
If he could keep his best going for a whole game he would be. But he can't.

Unless he is a poor trainer, it shouldn't be impossible to improve his stamina. The new Norwich gaffer said he was going to try and get their team to be the fittest in the division, Don't know about that, or whether it was their use of the ball. but they wore us out yesterday, which is why (imo) we couldn't lay a glove on them in the second half. The first half was down to defensive blunders, but I actually thought Norwich played better in the second half than the first. Palmer does have ability, but he does need to cut out some of the flicks when he is in the middle of the pitch, as he was in danger of leaving us open to counter attacks too often.

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