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[wingy]

Asked my black cousin yesterday how he felt about these flags going up on posts and roundabouts etc and he said patriotic... so how's it always about skin colour?

It's not a ridiculous question really,there will be some legitimate concern but you're right there will be those who approve also I'd assume?

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I mean he absolutely cries like fuck about the England flag more than the British flag, so I’m kind of speaking about the English one

I haven’t seen the interview but frankly both flags have to stop being co-opted for political purposes. I see myself as more British than English anyway but regardless, they’re both to represent everyone regardless of ideology or background.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I haven’t seen the interview but frankly both flags have to stop being co-opted for political purposes. I see myself as more British than English anyway but regardless, they’re both to represent everyone regardless of ideology or background.

They should be flown in every city proudly, the ones crying and moaning about it have made it political. Hopefully once reform get in they will put them everywhere. We should be proud of our country and flags like every other country is, the USA have them everywhere at every event

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Nah I’m taking the piss because your team’s rubbish kid

You do realise I’m English too?

 

[rob9872]

I haven’t seen the interview but frankly both flags have to stop being co-opted for political purposes. I see myself as more British than English anyway but regardless, they’re both to represent everyone regardless of ideology or background.

Why? Not saying your wrong, but I read this often and never had the option to challenge anyone. Same with those who say they are European. Not suggesting I'm right and you're wrong, but wondered why you think that and also is it only English people you think who do? Scottish and Welsh usually see themselves as that first before British I'd be almost certain.

 

[wingy]

While I find people taking down flags and stamping on them weird (clearly doing it for likes online, beggyweird pricks) I thought that the pub wasn't letting in protestors rather than because of flags? I might be wrong.

The other 2 are clearly doing it while filming themselves for attention.

They're not leftist or whatever the term is lately but they're too well fed and dressed to be!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why? Not saying your wrong, but I read this often and never had the option to challenge anyone. Same with those who say they are European. Not suggesting I'm right and you're wrong, but wondered why you think that and also is it only English people you think who do? Scottish and Welsh usually see themselves as that first before British I'd be almost certain.

I think most people in all 3 see themselves as more of their ‘home’ nation than British, I know I’m in the minority. For me, my wife’s Scottish, I lived up there for a fair while and I just see much more similarities than differences between people across the island. So it’s just how I feel I guess.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say I’m European, the cultural and social differences are much bigger.

 

[wingy]

Why? Not saying your wrong, but I read this often and never had the option to challenge anyone. Same with those who say they are European. Not suggesting I'm right and you're wrong, but wondered why you think that and also is it only English people you think who do? Scottish and Welsh usually see themselves as that first before British I'd be almost certain.

I'm definitely a European and the reason is because it work's and means my grandson won't be required to give his life,live in peace like I have, simple for me!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They should be flown in every city proudly, the ones crying and moaning about it have made it political. Hopefully once reform get in they will put them everywhere. We should be proud of our country and flags like every other country is, the USA have them everywhere at every event

The Union and St George’s flags already fly from government buildings, where else do you want them?

 

[SBT]

You do realise I’m English too?

*Half-English

 

[rob9872]

*Half-English

If he was born here and sees himself as that it's not for you to say. Would you jump so quick if his other half heritage was Indian or Chinese? You'd rightly then be labelled a racist ...

 

[SBT]

If he was born here and sees himself as that it's not for you to say. Would you jump so quick if his other half heritage was Indian or Chinese? You'd rightly then be labelled a racist ...

I’m only teasing.

 

[Grendel]

If you were trying to argue with a straight face last year that 1 in 4 people saw the English flag as a “racist flag”, why are you now playing dumb as to whether or not anyone would find it intimidating today?

Who have you met who finds some flag tied to a lamppost or some other inanimate object intimidating? What do they do - cross the road.

 

[rob9872]

I’m only teasing.

I know. I am too, just an easy open goal to score a cheap point.

 

[SBT]

I know. I am too, just an easy open goal to score a cheap point.

Don’t worry - I agree with Dom that people with immigrant backgrounds can be proud of their family heritage and celebrate their mixed national identity while still being part of English culture

 

[SBT]

Who have you met who finds some flag tied to a lamppost or some other inanimate object intimidating? What do they do - cross the road.

Do I need to have met them? Not many English flags round here sadly.

By your own admission, a sizeable portion of people see the English flag as a “racist flag”, why are you trying to take the opposite view all of a sudden?

 

[Grendel]

Do I need to have met them? Not many English flags round here sadly.

By your own admission, a sizeable portion of people see the English flag as a “racist flag”, why are you trying to take the opposite view all of a sudden?

Who had said to you they are intimidating. It’s funny you ask questions but answer none? You seem triggered.

 

[Marty]

If he was born here and sees himself as that it's not for you to say. Would you jump so quick if his other half heritage was Indian or Chinese? You'd rightly then be labelled a racist ...

It's xenophobic bollocks.

 

[SBT]

Who had said to you they are intimidating. It’s funny you ask questions but answer none? You seem triggered.

Grendel, I’m not out and about interviewing people about it but there are plenty of examples online if you want to look, you don’t need to use me as your personal search engine. Or are you having trouble with the font size again? I can help if you’re really struggling.

 

[Grendel]

Grendel, I’m not out and about interviewing people about it but there are plenty of examples online if you want to look, you don’t need to use me as your personal search engine. Or are you having trouble with the font size again? I can help if you’re really struggling.

I’m not having trouble with anything but you don’t believe in polls do you? You certainly had trouble with this one? Do you accept the findings now?

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Survey for Channel 4 documentary finds 23% want sharia law but most feel strong connection with Britain

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They should be flown in every city proudly, the ones crying and moaning about it have made it political. Hopefully once reform get in they will put them everywhere. We should be proud of our country and flags like every other country is, the USA have them everywhere at every eventn

I'd say it's the ones that have been having rallies for decades that are anti-foreign that made them political. EDL, NF, the BNP. Farage with his c*** stunt of waving the Union Jack when we left the EU was political was it not?

The reason people think of it as racist is because troglodytes and neanderthals have been hijacked them as part of their own xenophobic hate for ages.

I'm happy for the flags to be flown from govt and council buildings. When someone just adds rows of them to lampposts or paints a roundabout that's got nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with being a c*** trying to provoke a reaction and make certain people feel intimidated and unwelcome.

As for using the USA as an example the biggest use is in parts of the country which are very much racist, anti-gay etc. and basically to send the message "you have to be like us". And even in those places that are less like that it's still largely a symbol to create animosity towards other nations by creating this impression of exceptionalism and might.

Flags and banners have always been used to denote different sides.

 

[SBT]

I’m not having trouble with anything but you don’t believe in polls do you? You certainly had trouble with this one? Do you accept the findings now?

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Survey for Channel 4 documentary finds 23% want sharia law but most feel strong connection with Britain

www.theguardian.com

Retreating to your safe space already? You’ve lost a step. The old Grendel would have never given up so easily.

 

[Grendel]

It’s all a bit of nonsense but no one is actually intimidated by a flag tied to a lamppost - I doubt that anyone is getting PTSD

 

[Grendel]

Retreating to your safe space already? You’ve lost a step. The old Grendel would have never given up so easily.

I haven’t given up on anything

I don’t get your point, it’s pretty obvious if you are confronted by a tattooed skinhead lunatic draped in a flag then you’ll find it a frightening experience.

I don’t actually think sone flags attached to posts are doing anything

The most I’ve seen were in the coundon area where I suspect the majority are not seeking asylum or ethnic. Didn’t see any today on the foleshill road - there were some Indian flags. I wasn’t especially scared

Provide some evidence it’s actually intimidating people fair enough?

Can you?

 

[CCFCSteve]

I'd say it's the ones that have been having rallies for decades that are anti-foreign that made them political. EDL, NF, the BNP. Farage with his c*** stunt of waving the Union Jack when we left the EU was political was it not?

The reason people think of it as racist is because troglodytes and neanderthals have been hijacked them as part of their own xenophobic hate for ages.

I'm happy for the flags to be flown from govt and council buildings. When someone just adds rows of them to lampposts or paints a roundabout that's got nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with being a c*** trying to provoke a reaction and make certain people feel intimidated and unwelcome.

As for using the USA as an example the biggest use is in parts of the country which are very much racist, anti-gay etc. and basically to send the message "you have to be like us". And even in those places that are less like that it's still largely a symbol to create animosity towards other nations by creating this impression of exceptionalism and might.

Flags and banners have always been used to denote different sides.

That’s incorrect about the USA. I’ve been to various towns and cities across America over a number of years and noticed that they are just far more patriotic than us. They play the national anthem before every sports game/event (certainly the ones I’ve been to), there is a far greater appreciation of the sacrifices of their armed forces and there’s flags hung out of a patriotism and love for their country all over the place

I consider myself a patriotic person yet even I find some of it a bit OTT but I also respect some of the stuff they do, especially around the acknowledgement/thanks to servicemen and women

 

[SBT]

Provide some evidence it’s actually intimidating people fair enough?

Can you?

It’s not exactly cutting edge research but seeing as you’re struggling:

From Reuters:

Stanley Oronsaye, a 52-year-old hospitality worker from Nigeria and a resident of the Isle of Dogs, said people should be free to express their views on migration policy, so long as it remains within the law. Yet he felt uneasy.

"The worry is from the fact that if it escalates it can turn into something else," Oronsaye said. "It's worrisome when... nationalism is allowed to take a different tone."

In Doncaster: Worried Doncaster mum calls on mayor over "intimidating" flags display

And just for you, a Basildon exclusive via Al Jazeera, where a St George’s flag was painted on a mosque along with the words “This is England”:

“I was so hurt,” said the 33-year-old electrical engineer, who requested Al Jazeera use a pseudonym. “It was so close to home. My local masjid [mosque]. It felt like a real kick in the teeth.”

“My wife and baby are growing up here,” Akmal told Al Jazeera. “I want to move out of the area. I just cannot stay here.”

I’m sure you will say these people are just being silly or attention seeking. Or maybe you’ll just post another survey about Muslims from nine years ago. But I don’t know why you’d spend so much energy pretending these people don’t exist when the whole flag campaign is so clearly intended as a provocation of sorts. You know this of course.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s incorrect about the USA. I’ve been to various towns and cities across America over a number of years and noticed that they are just far more patriotic than us. They play the national anthem before every sports game/event (certainly the ones I’ve been to), there is a far greater appreciation of the sacrifices of their armed forces and there’s flags hung out of a patriotism and love for their country all over the place

I consider myself a patriotic person yet even I find some of it a bit OTT but I also respect some of the stuff they do, especially around the acknowledgement/thanks to servicemen and women

They aren't patriots, they're nationalists.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Abusing our army veterans now, disgrace

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Abusing our army veterans now, disgrace

The guy wit the mega phone doesnt look english to me. Maybe eastern european

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The guy wit the mega phone doesnt look english to me. Maybe eastern european

God knows, he’s a twat though regardless

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

That’s incorrect about the USA. I’ve been to various towns and cities across America over a number of years and noticed that they are just far more patriotic than us. They play the national anthem before every sports game/event (certainly the ones I’ve been to), there is a far greater appreciation of the sacrifices of their armed forces and there’s flags hung out of a patriotism and love for their country all over the place

I consider myself a patriotic person yet even I find some of it a bit OTT but I also respect some of the stuff they do, especially around the acknowledgement/thanks to servicemen and women

As BSB said, it's nationalism.

They're like us at the height of empire - "we're the big dogs so we're just gonna act like dicks to everybody else". We've been there, come out the other side and grown up.

As for their reverence for servicemen it's literally lip service. Their VA is an absolute mess and they provide very little support, both financial and healthwise (especially mental health) because it's the country of the individual and everyone should be responsible for themselves. But hey "thanks for your service". Fuck off with the fake gratitude and give them a decent pension and the aftercare they severely need for risking their life for the country. It's got the biggest military budget in the world and is bigger than something like the next 9 combined, so they can fucking afford it if they want to.

If the idea of being proud of ourselves is to be more like America, I'd rather not.

 

[SBAndy]

The most I’ve seen were in the coundon area where I suspect the majority are not seeking asylum or ethnic.

You’ve hit on a very interesting point there. I drove through Ratby (Leicestershire) today and there were flags on lampposts, St George’s cross on two mini-roundabouts and three(!) zebra crossings. A village with a population of around 4,100 and over 98% are white British.

 

[DT-R]

That’s incorrect about the USA. I’ve been to various towns and cities across America over a number of years and noticed that they are just far more patriotic than us. They play the national anthem before every sports game/event (certainly the ones I’ve been to), there is a far greater appreciation of the sacrifices of their armed forces and there’s flags hung out of a patriotism and love for their country all over the place

I consider myself a patriotic person yet even I find some of it a bit OTT but I also respect some of the stuff they do, especially around the acknowledgement/thanks to servicemen and women

As an ex infantryman, I find all the "thanks for your service" shit, and bit cringe tbf. I tell people I was in the army because I am proud to of served and I, like most soldiers/veterans, LOVE a good story. I dont tell them for likes or sympathy or recognition. Mostly, because it was a huge part of my life and I can draw experiences from it and I want to share those experiences and stories with others.

What i do feel, however, that we have got completely wrong is this country, is the recognition from the government's we served under. I dont want recognition and tha king from the average guy I speak to on the street, but we get little to no recognition from the government. No help for lads that are homeless. That are addicted to drink and/or drugs because of the things they seen and done on behalf of a government that has long since washed their hands off them.

And the same governments that asked men to go and do a job in N.Ireland, only to drag them through the court system 30 years later! That is what this country has got so terribly, terribly, wrong!


*and to add to that, its not just the government that have got it wrong. In the 19 years I've been out, do you know how many times me being in the army has been used in an argument as a negative against me? More than I can remember. When I was dragged through family courts to get contact with my kids, because I was in the army, I was seen as highly trained and dangerous. My PTSD was also used against me as I was seen as unstable. That is also the same for a LOT of jobs I've applied for and not got.
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[shmmeee]

As an ex infantryman, I find all the "thanks for your service" shit, and bit cringe tbf. I tell people I was in the army because I am proud to of served and I, like most soldiers/veterans, LOVE a good story. I dont tell them for likes or sympathy or recognition. Mostly, because it was a huge part of my life and I can draw experiences from it and I want to share those experiences and stories with others.

What i do feel, however, that we have got completely wrong is this country, is the recognition from the government's we served under. I dont want recognition and tha king from the average guy I speak to on the street, but we get little to no recognition from the government. No help for lads that are homeless. That are addicted to drink and/or drugs because of the things they seen and done on behalf of a government that has long since washed their hands off them.

And the same governments that asked men to go and do a job in N.Ireland, only to drag them through the court system 30 years later! That is what this country has got so terribly, terribly, wrong!


*and to add to that, its not just the government that have got it wrong. In the 19 years I've been out, do you know how many times me being in the army has been used in an argument as a negative against me? More than I can remember. When I was dragged through family courts to get contact with my kids, because I was in the army, I was seen as highly trained and dangerous. My PTSD was also used against me as I was seen as unstable. That is also the same for a LOT of jobs I've applied for and not got.
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Is there no help because Jonny Mercer under the last govt made quite a big deal about veterans and the made a lot of changes. And I know they’re top of the list for homelessness support because I’m trying to get it for a non veteran and it’s a fucking nightmare of you aren’t pregnant or a veteran as far as I can see.

Getting homelessness support as a veteran

Find out what support is available if you're a veteran who is homeless or at risk of becoming homeless.

www.gov.uk

And trust me, even non violent passificts are portrayed in family court as violent and angry if they’re men.

 

[ccfctommy]