Grendel
Well-Known Member
A few weeks ago you discounted Reform as an unelectable party which will never govern.
Now it seems if you don’t vote Labour it means a reform government
I have no idea who your MP is. But I’m sure the Reform guys will be big on welfare spend and constituency business.
“Something might have happened and didn’t so I’m working hard to get in the people who want to do even worse” absolutely clown politics.
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Do enjoy a good deal tbf and will keep that in mind. Just struck me how expensive it was to have a bowl of soup in some places, £8 is the going rate in 'leafy' Leamington.
Speaking as a left-leaning person who voted Labour last election, I am not going to forget in a hurry all of the overtures from Starmer and his team that the left were no longer welcome, his "you know where the door is" speech, his abandonment of the 10 pledges and the quote from his team about "fleas that needed to be shaken off" in particular.If they fail to get re-elected it will be because they've failed to make any genuine change to the country despite having a massive majority in parliament.
Of course most of the media is unfriendly, it is for every Labour government - but chopping right (almost instinctively) on so many major decisions has inevitably cost them support from the left too. Which, notably, doesn't seem to worry the leadership at all.
You can't blame the left for Starmer's choices. This was visible from a long way off.
Possibly the biggest contradiction known to man there… Vote labour and want a functioning economy.No. As someone political and claiming to be left wing despite all evidence advocating against the only left wing option for government is clown politics.
Spending your time making things up about said government is just pathetic. You are actively working towards electing a Reform government. Because you’re a child and since the man you loved lost you’ve done nothing in the political threads but play pound shop Grendel and pretend to have some moral high ground because you think Kier Starmer can stop a genocide in Gaza.
Edit: And as you’re now carrying your psychosis over to the football side I’ll address that here too. Yes I’m a Labour supporter. Because I’m left wing. I want good things for the vulnerable and poor and a functioning economy. And Labour are the only vehicle for that for a host of systemic reasons.
Possibly the biggest contradiction known to man there… Vote labour and want a functioning economy.
When have labour ever left the economy in a better position than it was when the came to power?
It’s mostly the Tories who’ve managed to downturn the economy over the last 10 years.Possibly the biggest contradiction known to man there… Vote labour and want a functioning economy.
When have labour ever left the economy in a better position than it was when the came to power?
And there it is.Starmer planned to steal my wife’s PIP and my MP ignores our correspondence. Tell me why either deserve my vote?
I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to grasp. I'm sure there were some on the left who were never prepared to give Starmer a chance, the same applies to every new leader in every party. But most were more than willing to give him a chance and happy with the platform he ran on.Speaking as a left-leaning person who voted Labour last election, I am not going to forget in a hurry all of the overtures from Starmer and his team that the left were no longer welcome, his "you know where the door is" speech, his abandonment of the 10 pledges and the quote from his team about "fleas that needed to be shaken off" in particular.
It's entirely up to him if he wants to disassociate from and alienate a huge portion of his voter base whilst chasing the votes of a bloc that despises him and has made up their mind they will never vote Labour under any circumstances, but you can't then demand that those same people you made clear were no longer wanted or needed, vote for you.
Whoever is advising him needs to be fired. The “island of strangers” speech was something Farage would come out with. Like Johnson, he’ll mess up a massive majority and his legacy will be the PM that handed Farage the keys to #10.I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to grasp. I'm sure there were some on the left who were never prepared to give Starmer a chance, the same applies to every new leader in every party. But most were more than willing to give him a chance and happy with the platform he ran on.
But once in power he abondoned that platform and basically told those on the left of the party they weren't wanted or needed.
You can't then turn round and complain that the people you've told to fuck off have indeed fucked off.
Said it months ago he was playing a dangerous game just assuming that he would get that block to vote for him by default but some on here claimed it was genius politics and had no risk of backfiring.
He's won one election on not being the tories, he won't win a second one on that. People need to start seeing improvements fast. At the moment he seems to spend most of his time chasing people who are never going to vote for him at the expense of people who would.
I'm not precisely sure what wealth you think a disabled woman is hoarding and you will find before I have said that I am happy to pay higher taxes to deliver better public services, so is my wife. What I do not agree with is taking from those who need extra assistance, in this case someone who is visually impaired and thus needs more help getting around and managing.And there it is.
When you scratch the surface a little it's like every other socialist who is all for sharing out all of the wealth apart from their own. Agrees with things right up to the point it affects what they do.
And fwiw I do sympathise with your wife losing her PIP, if she genuinely needs it then it's clearly wrong, but I don't pretend to be something else.
Spectacularly missing the point as usual even when I say I dont disagree with her getting PIP despite not knowing the reason she required it. Cuts for those who need it are wrong I said that. I also didnt imply her wealth. It's a general view of socialism that you want all wealth shared but that means all not the parts that don't affect you. It's like those who pay to see edgy comedians and laugh at all of the jokes offending others but get offended by the one subject which is close to them.I'm not precisely sure what wealth you think a disabled woman is hoarding and you will find before I have said that I am happy to pay higher taxes to deliver better public services, so is my wife. What I do not agree with is taking from those who need extra assistance, in this case someone who is visually impaired and thus needs more help getting around and managing.
To be extra clear, I was also critical of the hits to pensioner's fuel payments. I have also been volunteering in the community for years, there is no hypocrisy on my part. You can politely get to fuck with your last sentence.
There is no missing the point, I'll accept being called hypocritical when I am (and there's plenty of examples of that on the football side), but on my political views it's just untrue. I'm not even a socialist to be clear, a social democrat yes. We are both happy to pay higher taxes to support better public services and both happy to pay more in shops/restaurants etc if it allows them to pay better wages to their staff. That's something I've said countless times.Spectacularly missing the point as usual even when I say I dont disagree with her getting PIP despite not knowing the reason she required it. Cuts for those who need it are wrong I said that. I also didnt imply her wealth. It's a general view of socialism that you want all wealth shared but that means all not the parts that don't affect you. It's like those who pay to see edgy comedians and laugh at all of the jokes offending others but get offended by the one subject which is close to them.
My mate says he’s a communist.Starmer is hardly left-wing
You would have seen me criticising the PIP cuts irrespective of whether or not someone close to me was impacted. I am a very long way from being a pensioner, and with all my grandparents now passed on, nobody I know receives WFP. I still strongly disagreed with the way they wanted to cut it. Likewise the previous Tory cuts to a whole range of services I don't use and will use little in my lifetime.I do agree with it being wrong to take them, but I'm also from the school of 'get what you can for yourself because nobody else is looking out for you'. I'm aware it's selfish thinking and I don't apologise for it. My point is that most people are the same and I was suggesting you are too, but like most on here (it appears to me) that you don't want to be seen as selfish until something affects you directly.
I too would pay more tax for better services, but again if I'm completely honest, only the services that actually affect me and my family. I certainly wouldnt want to pay more for others that I don't. Yeah I'm a c**t I get it, no case for the defence, but there is so much pretence on here that it's difficult to spot the difference most of the time. And if my comment upset you, that wasn't the intention. I'm very protective of my family and wouldn't want them brought into things, so although it was a direct quote from you regarding her PIP, for that I truly apologise.
Think is a post code mate
Well for many years the Conservatives have been considered the only right wing option for government. So shouldn't people thinking of voting Reform vote for the Tories because they're the only realistic option?No. As someone political and claiming to be left wing despite all evidence advocating against the only left wing option for government is clown politics.
Spending your time making things up about said government is just pathetic. You are actively working towards electing a Reform government. Because you’re a child and since the man you loved lost you’ve done nothing in the political threads but play pound shop Grendel and pretend to have some moral high ground because you think Kier Starmer can stop a genocide in Gaza.
Edit: And as you’re now carrying your psychosis over to the football side I’ll address that here too. Yes I’m a Labour supporter. Because I’m left wing. I want good things for the vulnerable and poor and a functioning economy. And Labour are the only vehicle for that for a host of systemic reasons.
Bigger contradiction is voting Conservative and wanting a functioning country. It's all built on bullshit metrics that don't mean anything meanwhile in reality everything is getting worse.Possibly the biggest contradiction known to man there… Vote labour and want a functioning economy.
When have labour ever left the economy in a better position than it was when the came to power?
Start with Reform, realise they're mental and shift slightly to the left with the more moderate Conservatives for 20 years of everyone agreeing they weren't that bad after allWell for many years the Conservatives have been considered the only right wing option for government. So shouldn't people thinking of voting Reform vote for the Tories because they're the only realistic option?
Starmer trying to appeal to section of the Reform support is a disaster waiting to happen. It moves the Overton window to the right as a supposedly left wing party enacts more right wing policy, enabling the likes of Reform to be even more batshit. And no matter what he does there a too many on the right who will never, ever vote for Labour no matter how much they move to the right purely because of the way the party is perceived by them. No matter what they do they'll think they're socialist/commie/woke losers who will ruin the economy even though there's far more instances of right wing policy causing financial meltdown.
I've pretty much accepted that at some point we're going to end up with a far-right government and I expect that to be Reform at the next GE barring the party (well, Farage) doing something monumentally insane. So let's just get it over with, realise that they're grifters and fascists without an idea and the quicker we can get rid of them and get back to some sense of sanity as parties stop trying to pander to them.
Problem is when Trump got in for his first time we all thought that would be the wake up call and people would realise he was a grifter and fascist but then they voted him in again despite the fact that under Biden pretty much every measurable metric improved.I've pretty much accepted that at some point we're going to end up with a far-right government and I expect that to be Reform at the next GE barring the party (well, Farage) doing something monumentally insane. So let's just get it over with, realise that they're grifters and fascists without an idea and the quicker we can get rid of them and get back to some sense of sanity as parties stop trying to pander to them.
Well for many years the Conservatives have been considered the only right wing option for government. So shouldn't people thinking of voting Reform vote for the Tories because they're the only realistic option?
Starmer trying to appeal to section of the Reform support is a disaster waiting to happen. It moves the Overton window to the right as a supposedly left wing party enacts more right wing policy, enabling the likes of Reform to be even more batshit. And no matter what he does there a too many on the right who will never, ever vote for Labour no matter how much they move to the right purely because of the way the party is perceived by them. No matter what they do they'll think they're socialist/commie/woke losers who will ruin the economy even though there's far more instances of right wing policy causing financial meltdown.
I've pretty much accepted that at some point we're going to end up with a far-right government and I expect that to be Reform at the next GE barring the party (well, Farage) doing something monumentally insane. So let's just get it over with, realise that they're grifters and fascists without an idea and the quicker we can get rid of them and get back to some sense of sanity as parties stop trying to pander to them.
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