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wingy

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  • May 18, 2025
  • #141
steve101 said:
Looks like he will be here next season then
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At present, still a long way to go before kick off.
 

shepardo01

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  • May 18, 2025
  • #142
steve101 said:
Looks like he will be here next season then
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No he won't.... We'll have to pay Everton 2m!!
 
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SHUNT31

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  • May 18, 2025
  • #143
steve101 said:
With regards hunger, I think Simms has improved this under Lampard. Much more so than Wright.
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He’s not improved since day one, let alone under Lampard
 
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DT-R

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  • May 18, 2025
  • #144
Skyblueabo1111 said:
How is that hindsight
Why do you think it is nonsense? 100 appearances, 2 million quid. Can you explain why Wright, shite in both games, stayed on the pitch?
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For penalties. Simples

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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #145
On Simms, I want him to do well but I think he’s regressed. Compare his goal against Huddersfield at no point this season did I think he could do that.

Understand he’s a confidence player who I think has been unfortunate with starts being very stop start but until he gets some fire in his belly, I don’t think he’ll start to improve. Hopefully some home truths can bring him back out as there has been glimpses this season (Sheffield Wednesday for example).
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #146
Sky Blue Goblin said:
On Simms, I want him to do well but I think he’s regressed. Compare his goal against Huddersfield at no point this season did I think he could do that.

Understand he’s a confidence player who I think has been unfortunate with starts being very stop start but until he gets some fire in his belly, I don’t think he’ll start to improve. Hopefully some home truths can bring him back out as there has been glimpses this season (Sheffield Wednesday for example).
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He's started almost every game this season, I think. Missed a couple with a foot injury, the two playoff games, little else
 
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Liquicon

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #147
Speedie's Head said:
He's started almost every game this season, I think. Missed a couple with a foot injury, the two playoff games, little else
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He started 26 matches in the league this season.

His longest run of starts in a row was 11 where he got 4 goals and an assist.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #148
Speedie's Head said:
He's started almost every game this season, I think. Missed a couple with a foot injury, the two playoff games, little else
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Only started 26 games in the championship and once in the EFL and FA Cup Games.
 
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skybluecam

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #149
shepardo01 said:
Bit more on this one;
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This reads like he expects to be here next season. Thought the rumours were that he's going?
 
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mmttww

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #150
Feel for Simms for one main reason, which is being asked to play with his back to goal as a sort of target man at times, when everything I saw of him before we signed him showed he's an on the last shoulder, run behind, poacher in the box type of player. He hasn't adapted.

Don't disagree some of his basics are off but I'm not convinced anyone incl. Wright showed much more when playing that role under Lampard. Doubt we change how we plan to play over the summer so he either learns how to be more effective in that role or it makes sense to sell him.
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #151
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Only started 26 games in the championship and once in the EFL and FA Cup Games.
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Crikey maybe it just felt like it!

Still 46 apps and 7 goals. 26 goals in 99 games across the two season, 1 in 4 (and worse in the league) is a poor return for a CF by any standards, especially when he's not getting the assists either. He'd do better with a move for his own good at this point you'd think.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #152
Speedie's Head said:
Crikey maybe it just felt like it!

Still 46 apps and 7 goals. 26 goals in 99 games across the two season, 1 in 4 (and worse in the league) is a poor return for a CF by any standards, especially when he's not getting the assists either. He'd do better with a move for his own good at this point you'd think.
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I think he needs a proper run out and to be given faith by a manager. I think his time with us is over but I’ve written others off only to come back stronger.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #153
Speedie's Head said:
Crikey maybe it just felt like it!

Still 46 apps and 7 goals. 26 goals in 99 games across the two season, 1 in 4 (and worse in the league) is a poor return for a CF by any standards, especially when he's not getting the assists either. He'd do better with a move for his own good at this point you'd think.
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13 goals a season is a slightly above average return. This season, it would’ve only been 7 goals from the golden boot.

Simms’ first season was good, his second season was unsatisfactory. I don’t think it’s time to get rid of him at all but he has to turn things around next year.

Simms, BTA and Bassette have all struggled making immediately impacts from the bench and they all need to do more to win the starting shirt. Off the top of my head, only BTA has scored from the bench.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #154
skybluecam said:
This reads like he expects to be here next season. Thought the rumours were that he's going?
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Just rumours
 

clint van damme

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #155
I don't think he can play in the 4 3 3 system.
He's not looked great this season in the 5 3 2 under Robins or Lampard but he's looked particularly poor in the 4 3 3.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #156
clint van damme said:
I don't think he can play in the 4 3 3 system.
He's not looked great this season in the 5 3 2 under Robins or Lampard but he's looked particularly poor in the 4 3 3.
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Have any of our strikers looked good in a 4-3-3? Haji Wright looked fantastic v Sunderland and that was it in his 14 game stint.

For me, it’s all tactical. Rewatching last seasons goals for Haji and Simms and this season - our approach to chance creation is v different last season.
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #157
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Have any of our strikers looked good in a 4-3-3? Haji Wright looked fantastic v Sunderland and that was it in his 14 game stint.

For me, it’s all tactical. Rewatching last seasons goals for Haji and Simms and this season - our approach to chance creation is v different.
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So what does Lampard do? Try and coach them to play in that system, get rid and bring 2 new strikers in or try and adapt one player and get rid of the other?
 
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KAB

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #158
Jamesimus said:
Do we reckon that’s him out the door then? Wonder if we’ll be able to recoup what we spent.
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No chance
 
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wingy

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #159
I think Frank needs to adopt the system employed by Crystal Palace at Wembley, goalkeeper aside!
 
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steve101

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #160
wingy said:
I think Frank needs to adopt the system employed by Crystal Palace at Wembley, goalkeeper aside!
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Mateta showed exactly what we want from a centre forward in terms of ability and desire. Obviously we are not going to get the level of quality but we should get the battling attitude.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #161
clint van damme said:
So what does Lampard do? Try and coach them to play in that system, get rid and bring 2 new strikers in or try and adapt one player and get rid of the other?
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It’s a valid question to ask. Assuming the issue is personnel, the likelihood of us selling all 4 strikers and replacement them all just isn’t going to happen.

There’s a few things that we need to improve:
- we need to create more chances to feet in the box
- wingers need to take on their men and get the ball in the box quicker
- on that, we can be v slow in the final third and it’s not ideal for a striker to have 2-4 players around him, it’s only benefitted Rudoni who tends to arrive late in the box
- midfielders could be braver with passes/shooting around the box

In terms of personnel, we need more goals and assists from our wingers. It’s fair to say that EMC and Sakamoto have been inconsistent from an attacking perspective at times, particularly against the low block.

The ‘best case’ scenario (not imo, but in relation to what you asked) is that we sell Haji for big money (if he wants out) and make a small profit on BTA to sign a striker or 2. However, for most part, Lampard will have to work with what he’s got over preseason. Simms and Wright between are capable of scoring 25+ league goals in a season, so there’s something positive to work with and the problem isn’t necessarily them imo.

Simms touched on it in an IG post, he knows it hasn’t been his best year and the tone was more ‘I’ll be back’ rather than ‘farewell’.
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • May 19, 2025
  • #162
Grendel said:
You can’t have less than zero
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clint van damme said:
I don't think he can play in the 4 3 3 system.
He's not looked great this season in the 5 3 2 under Robins or Lampard but he's looked particularly poor in the 4 3 3.
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In fairness, did anyone? Wright one game.. Totally agree, I believe Simms and Assante together, as a 2 , won 9 out of 10, with a back 5
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #163
Good question in terms of what Lampard should do. Everyone will have their opinion. If it was, if Wright is in the right mindset, I’d look to keep him as the central striker. He’s capable of 20 goals a season and that is not to be sniffed at. I’d try and keep BTA. On balance I’d try and move Simms on and get a capable target man in with whatever we get. I’d definitely keep Bassette. The spine of the team would then be Dovin, Thomas, Grimes, Rudoni, Wright.
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #164
Mucca Mad Boys said:
13 goals a season is a slightly above average return. This season, it would’ve only been 7 goals from the golden boot.

Simms’ first season was good, his second season was unsatisfactory. I don’t think it’s time to get rid of him at all but he has to turn things around next year.

Simms, BTA and Bassette have all struggled making immediately impacts from the bench and they all need to do more to win the starting shirt. Off the top of my head, only BTA has scored from the bench.
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He did score a lot of his goals against weaker opposition where he had more time and space, the FA Cup games, Rotherham in the league... I know he scored against some very good teams too but it all needs to be considered together.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #165
Cally Fedora said:
Good question in terms of what Lampard should do. Everyone will have their opinion. If it was, if Wright is in the right mindset, I’d look to keep him as the central striker. He’s capable of 20 goals a season and that is not to be sniffed at. I’d try and keep BTA. On balance I’d try and move Simms on and get a capable target man in with whatever we get. I’d definitely keep Bassette. The spine of the team would then be Dovin, Thomas, Grimes, Rudoni, Wright.
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I agree on Bassette, we need to see where he can go as he's got something sbout him but I'd send him on loan.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #166
We’re stuck with Bassette. No one is going to pay close to the fee we paid and he’s probably on a decent wage for a player of his age and ability. I’d see if a L2 side can make anything of him on loan.

Wright is a goal scorer but just get the vibe his time has come to an end. Cash in and get a focal point for this system IMO.

Simms is likable but I just don’t see a footballer in there. If we can get £3m let him go.

BTA if he’s happy to be backup I’d be OK to keep around but not sure he would be.

Which suggests all new strikers really.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #167
Speedie's Head said:
He did score a lot of his goals against weaker opposition where he had more time and space, the FA Cup games, Rotherham in the league... I know he scored against some very good teams too but it all needs to be considered together.
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Judging by our record against the bottom 8 teams this season, it’s a shame he or Haji didn’t score more goals against them…

This argument makes no sense. A goals value is the same whether it’s against top of the table or bottom. People keep bringing up the hat tricks v Maidstone and Rotherham as if Haji (and others) didn’t play in the same game and failed to score.

Go through Gyokeres’ record in 22/23, he scored a lot of his goals against bottom half teams, should that have discounted how great he was that season? No, of course not!

It’s baffling how posters try to put an asterix on a players achievements when they’ve done good.
 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #168
clint van damme said:
I don't think he can play in the 4 3 3 system.
He's not looked great this season in the 5 3 2 under Robins or Lampard but he's looked particularly poor in the 4 3 3.
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I actually thought he was looking half decent at the start of the year. Missed a couple of half chances but looked up for it and was a handful for defenders. He was then dropped and he’s not looked particularly good since.
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #169
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Judging by our record against the bottom 8 teams this season, it’s a shame he or Haji didn’t score more goals against them…

This argument makes no sense. A goals value is the same whether it’s against top of the table or bottom. People keep bringing up the hat tricks v Maidstone and Rotherham as if Haji (and others) didn’t play in the same game and failed to score.

Go through Gyokeres’ record in 22/23, he scored a lot of his goals against bottom half teams, should that have discounted how great he was that season? No, of course not!

It’s baffling how posters try to put an asterix on a players achievements when they’ve done good.
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It's like dropping down a division, it's that bit easier when you've lost a yard or your touch isn't reliable. Players can still be highly effective but more hit and miss against the better sides.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #170
Speedie's Head said:
It's like dropping down a division, it's that bit easier when you've lost a yard or your touch isn't reliable. Players can still be highly effective but more hit and miss against the better sides.
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No it’s not, this is not a good argument at all.

To demonstrate, Gyokeres scored 57% of his goals against bottom 8 teams in 22/23. In fact, he only managed 7 goal contributions against top 7 teams.

It’s fairly obvious why. In most seasons, the top half teams tend to get their highest scoring wins against lower table teams - that was certainly the case for us under MR in 22/23 and 23/24. See Piroe’s 4 goals v Cardiff this season too.

It’s an anomaly that we’ve done so well under Lampard considering our record against the bottom 6 teams or so. If we match our 24/25 record under Lampard (1.79 PPG or 82 points over 46 games) and improve our point share v bottom half teams, we’d be close to automatic promotion form. All hypothetical of course.
 
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SBT

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #171
Mucca Mad Boys said:
There’s a few things that we need to improve:
- we need to create more chances to feet in the box
- wingers need to take on their men and get the ball in the box quicker
- on that, we can be v slow in the final third and it’s not ideal for a striker to have 2-4 players around him, it’s only benefitted Rudoni who tends to arrive late in the box
- midfielders could be braver with passes/shooting around the box
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For such a long-winded post (I’m only quoting some of it here) I’m amazed you don’t make any mention of the need to shore up the defence.

Lack of goals didn’t screw us over this season; it didn’t even screw us over in the playoffs. Boneheaded mistakes and a lack of authority at the back cost us every single time.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #172
SBT said:
For such a long-winded post (I’m only quoting some of it here) I’m amazed you don’t make any mention of the need to shore up the defence.

Lack of goals didn’t screw us over this season; it didn’t even screw us over in the playoffs. Boneheaded mistakes and a lack of authority at the back cost us every single time.
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You’re right and defence is my first priority too, 100%. You’ve jumped in the conversation a bit too late because @clint van damme and I were talking about strikers specifically and how we get the most out of them.

I’ve mentioned elsewhere that we’ve conceded the most in the top half and need a new profile of CB to fit Lampard’s defensive system i.e. possession based and high line.
 
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