Election 2015 (4 Viewers)

[Colonel Mustard]

In a democracy, a demonstration is a right, however it would be very dangerous for any government of the day to take any notice of it. Would you like to see laws enacted off the back of a Sharia Law for Uk or an EDL march?

What?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cele...side-bank.html

Classy, attacking working class people trying to earn a living

Did you watch the video? Brand squeezed the man's arm. That's it. It is the worst example of 'physical force' I have ever seen, and certainly doesn't imply he's in favour of brute force power-grabbing!

Then he should stand for parliament and reform the system then shouldn't he? The opportunity is there for the public to elect him if they want.

He's more than doing his political bit as a citizen. The man gave up a film career to become a full time activist.

 

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[bigfatronssba]

What?



Did you watch the video? Brand squeezed the man's arm. That's it. It is the worst example of 'physical force' I have ever seen, and certainly doesn't imply he's in favour of brute force power-grabbing!

He caused the bank to close and interrupted those peoples day. What did they do to deserve that?

He's more than doing his political bit as a citizen. The man gave up a film career to become a full time activist.

Fine, he is perfectly entitled to do that. Just like I am perfectly entitled to think he is a bully and a hypocrite.

Who exactly is he? Where is his mandate to talk on behalf of ordinary people? Has he asked the general public if they want him to challenge the establishment?

As he has no mandate from the people, he is just one man with his own private opinions. That is fine, he is entitled to his view, however when he starts disrupting other peoples lives just to proclaim his own personal view, then he becomes a trouble maker.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

As he has no mandate from the people, he is just one man with his own private opinions. That is fine, he is entitled to his view, however when he starts disrupting other peoples lives just to proclaim his own personal view, then he becomes a trouble maker.

Now I know you didn't watch the video you linked to, because the fellow who was 'disrupted' was the one to engage Brand in conversation.

 

[M&B Stand]

Demonstrations and protests are a pillar of democracy.



Really? Any links/citations to back this up?



Brand is a democrat. He just believes most elected representatives are servants to big capital rather than to the people.



Watch and judge for yourself.

I thought brand was a socialist? A champers quaffing one, but a one party state revolutionist nonetheless.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Now I know you didn't watch the video you linked to, because the fellow who was 'disrupted' was the one to engage Brand in conversation.

No I didn't watch it because he would just get on my tits.

 

[Grendel]

I thought brand was a socialist? A champers quaffing one, but a one party state revolutionist nonetheless.

Brand is nothing. A so called comedian that has jumped onto a bandwagon rolled out by the BBC

His political dogma is non existent. He reminds me of a Chris Eubank type figure who believes memorising a few meaningless sentences is a sign of an intellect and not a charlatan.

The funniest thing I've seen was the startled look on Question Time when he came under attack. He was told to stand for election "I'd be worried I'd become one of them mate" - the laughs of mockery startled and frightened him. The joke was on the privileged Brand whose ideals of wealth distribution apply to anyone but him.

Why the bbc think a 40 year old wealthy hedonistic socialite like Brand is hip and cool is beyond me. Still they thought the same of the equally repellant Jonathan Ross - Brands buddy when it comes to bullying and snide remarks.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

I thought brand was a socialist? A champers quaffing one, but a one party state revolutionist nonetheless.

Socialists can be democrats too!

And as far as I know, no, I've never seen him advocating a one-party state.

There are two people in this thread who have already demonised Brand but refused to listen to what he has to say. It's really better to hear him out and make your own judgements rather than rely on the opinions of a self-interested, broadly rightwing press.

 

[Grendel]

Socialists can be democrats too!

And as far as I know, no, I've never seen him advocating a one-party state.

There are two people in this thread who have already demonised Brand but refused to listen to what he has to say. It's really better to hear him out and make your own judgements rather than rely on the opinions of a self-interested, broadly rightwing press.

I've heard him.

 

[M&B Stand]

I've heard him.

When he was quizzed on his love of 1st class flying, he quoted the old 'come the revolution, everyone will fly first class' line. Do some people actually believe that bollox. It's hilarious when they jump up and down demanding to be taken seriously!

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Brand is nothing. A so called comedian that has jumped onto a bandwagon rolled out by the BBC

He's a comedian popular enough to warrant world tours, mostly doing sell-outs. He's a bestselling author, hosted a very popular R2 show, and the movies he's participated in have grossed over $1bn. And now he's an activist with nearly 10m followers and 1m subscribers to his political video blog, outstripping the reach of most of the mainstream media.

He's clearly not nothing.

His political dogma is non existent. He reminds me of a Chris Eubank type figure who believes memorising a few meaningless sentences is a sign of an intellect and not a charlatan.

Disagree. He's often loquacious, but also sharp and spontaneous. Few people can wield the sort of influence he does without having a fair bit upstairs. As for his dogma - he's a critic of greed, exploitation, corruption and criminality by a ruling elite. That's a creed for high Tories as well as Brand.

The funniest thing I've seen was the startled look on Question Time when he came under attack. He was told to stand for election "I'd be worried I'd become one of them mate" - the laughs of mockery startled and frightened him. The joke was on the privileged Brand whose ideals of wealth distribution apply to anyone but him.

What makes you say that? He may be wealthy, but he's not a hypocrite if he's willing to pay a higher rate of tax.

Why the bbc think a 40 year old wealthy hedonistic socialite like Brand is hip and cool is beyond me. Still they thought the same of the equally repellant Jonathan Ross - Brands buddy when it comes to bullying and snide remarks.

It doesn't have to be 'in front of you'. I don't get the appeal of Mrs Browns' Boys, but it's hugely popular. Brand has a massive reach and it's worth making an effort to understand why.

 

[Johnnythespider]

He's a bit like Bez without the dazed look. I don't think anybody needs a mandate to challenge the establishment, indeed it is what should be expected from artists of all Persuasion's, maybe he is just highlighting the dissatisfaction the majority who choose not to vote at many elections feel.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

He's a bit like Bez without the dazed look. I don't think anybody needs a mandate to challenge the establishment, indeed it is what should be expected from artists of all Persuasion's, maybe he is just highlighting the dissatisfaction the majority who choose not to vote at many elections feel.

Yep. Don't particularly care for him myself, but we should really be pretty concerned that so many don't want to vote, for whatever reason.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Yep. Don't particularly care for him myself, but we should really be pretty concerned that so many don't want to vote, for whatever reason.

That's to do with politicians themselves, not the system. I don't think people are not voting because they don't believe in a democratically elected house of commons.

My problem with Brand is he is knocking the democratic system, which might not be perfect, is still better than all the alternatives.

Also I cant stand it when people get themselves into a position of privilege and wealth and then start knocking the system that got them there. Its a case of its ok for me to be rich, but no one else.

 

[Astute]

I have nearly always voted Labour. Not sure about this time.

My wife always voted for Lib Dems. Never again.

So who is left? What I want is for the borders to be slightly tightened. Bring in the skills that we need but get rid of those that sponge off our system. We do need to bring in quite a few as our population is getting older and less babies are now being born....mainly because the working families can't afford to have them. But we have to be more careful as we don't have the infrastructure.

Someone who will sort the judges out. They let rapists and murderers as well as the prolific thieves stay in the country because of their human rights. But what about the human rights of those that the crimes are committed against? We should be like other countries where they get convicts shipped out. Not let them stay because they got some woman pregnant and then never bothered with the kid.

I want someone to sort out the aid that we give out. Like we send it to India whilst they pay for nuclear weapons. We even pay private companies untold millions each year to distribute aid. How much of it gets to where it needs to be?

Tax? Low middle earners get hit the most. Straight after the 40% bracket comes the loss of child benefit. And whilst on the child benefit I would like it stopped for people who come to the country just to claim the benefit that then go back to where they come from but keep the child benefits although they are not here anymore.

I am happy to pay a bit more tax....as long as it goes where it should. But all it would cover is more tax cuts for the rich. The Labour mansion tax is wrong. It would force people that are property rich/cash poor to move. It isn't fair at all.

Anyone know who is offering what I want?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Yep. Don't particularly care for him myself, but we should really be pretty concerned that so many don't want to vote, for whatever reason.

Brand is someone who appears as disillusioned & disenfranchised as myself & millions of others......this is why its a shame he won't advocate the "Vote for no-one" idea......

...If we could get a few million registered votes that clearly state that "none of the above" are suitable candidates, it gives folk like Brand a tangible number & a mandate to pursue real change.....

...a simple box on the voting slip to clearly register our dissatisfaction with the status quo at future elections would be a fucking start....

http://www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

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[Covstu]

I have nearly always voted Labour. Not sure about this time.

My wife always voted for Lib Dems. Never again.

So who is left? What I want is for the borders to be slightly tightened. Bring in the skills that we need but get rid of those that sponge off our system. We do need to bring in quite a few as our population is getting older and less babies are now being born....mainly because the working families can't afford to have them. But we have to be more careful as we don't have the infrastructure.

Someone who will sort the judges out. They let rapists and murderers as well as the prolific thieves stay in the country because of their human rights. But what about the human rights of those that the crimes are committed against? We should be like other countries where they get convicts shipped out. Not let them stay because they got some woman pregnant and then never bothered with the kid.

I want someone to sort out the aid that we give out. Like we send it to India whilst they pay for nuclear weapons. We even pay private companies untold millions each year to distribute aid. How much of it gets to where it needs to be?

Tax? Low middle earners get hit the most. Straight after the 40% bracket comes the loss of child benefit. And whilst on the child benefit I would like it stopped for people who come to the country just to claim the benefit that then go back to where they come from but keep the child benefits although they are not here anymore.

I am happy to pay a bit more tax....as long as it goes where it should. But all it would cover is more tax cuts for the rich. The Labour mansion tax is wrong. It would force people that are property rich/cash poor to move. It isn't fair at all.

Anyone know who is offering what I want?

I would vote for you.....

 

[Colonel Mustard]

I have nearly always voted Labour. Not sure about this time.

My wife always voted for Lib Dems. Never again.

So who is left? What I want is for the borders to be slightly tightened. Bring in the skills that we need but get rid of those that sponge off our system. We do need to bring in quite a few as our population is getting older and less babies are now being born....mainly because the working families can't afford to have them. But we have to be more careful as we don't have the infrastructure.

Someone who will sort the judges out. They let rapists and murderers as well as the prolific thieves stay in the country because of their human rights. But what about the human rights of those that the crimes are committed against? We should be like other countries where they get convicts shipped out. Not let them stay because they got some woman pregnant and then never bothered with the kid.

I want someone to sort out the aid that we give out. Like we send it to India whilst they pay for nuclear weapons. We even pay private companies untold millions each year to distribute aid. How much of it gets to where it needs to be?

Tax? Low middle earners get hit the most. Straight after the 40% bracket comes the loss of child benefit. And whilst on the child benefit I would like it stopped for people who come to the country just to claim the benefit that then go back to where they come from but keep the child benefits although they are not here anymore.

I am happy to pay a bit more tax....as long as it goes where it should. But all it would cover is more tax cuts for the rich. The Labour mansion tax is wrong. It would force people that are property rich/cash poor to move. It isn't fair at all.

Anyone know who is offering what I want?

Ukip.

 

[Ian1779]

Cameron (and the others) should realise that every vote for UKIP is a failure on their part. It stems from the fact they are more interested in looking after the rich rather than the common man.

 

[Monners]

Cameron (and the others) should realise that every vote for UKIP is a failure on their part. It stems from the fact they are more interested in looking after the rich rather than the common man.

I take your point, but Farage isn't really the Common Man is he.

 

[Astute]

I would vote for you.....

I wouldn't. There are already enough pissheads pretending to work as an MP.

 

[Astute]

I take your point, but Farage isn't really the Common Man is he.

No. But he tells the man on the street what he wants to hear. But would you trust him to run the country? I wouldn't.

 

[Nick]

Loads of absolute shit in the post today, flyers and all sorts begging for votes.

Might draw some spunking cocks on them and return to sender.

 

[Monners]

No. But he tells the man on the street what he wants to hear. But would you trust him to run the country? I wouldn't.

I know. My point is that Farage is part of the Establishment, so ultimately will look after himself and his own kind. He is the uiltimate political opportunist, and yet people for it as they buy the media (see establishment) lie that we live in broken Britain.

 

[Ian1779]

I know. My point is that Farage is part of the Establishment, so ultimately will look after himself and his own kind. He is the uiltimate political opportunist, and yet people for it as they buy the media (see establishment) lie that we live in broken Britain.

I agree... if UKIP do one thing I hope it is that they give the major parties a wake up call about what people really think about them and take it on board. Hopefully they will get no more than 5/6 MP's.

I don't want them to get any - but they will.

 

[Monners]

I agree... if UKIP do one thing I hope it is that they give the major parties a wake up call about what people really think about them and take it on board. Hopefully they will get no more than 5/6 MP's.

I don't want them to get any - but they will.

The worrying thing for me is that I read today in the local rag that UKIP are predicted to do well in my constituency (Northampton North). The seat is always marginal with the three major parties normally pretty close (although the Libs have never actually won it). I will have to vote tactically it seems (which I hate doing) just to keep them out perhaps - would have voted Green, but will save that for the local election which happen on the 7th too.

 

[Grendel]

He's a comedian popular enough to warrant world tours, mostly doing sell-outs. He's a bestselling author, hosted a very popular R2 show, and the movies he's participated in have grossed over $1bn. And now he's an activist with nearly 10m followers and 1m subscribers to his political video blog, outstripping the reach of most of the mainstream media.

He's clearly not nothing.



Disagree. He's often loquacious, but also sharp and spontaneous. Few people can wield the sort of influence he does without having a fair bit upstairs. As for his dogma - he's a critic of greed, exploitation, corruption and criminality by a ruling elite. That's a creed for high Tories as well as Brand.



What makes you say that? He may be wealthy, but he's not a hypocrite if he's willing to pay a higher rate of tax.



It doesn't have to be 'in front of you'. I don't get the appeal of Mrs Browns' Boys, but it's hugely popular. Brand has a massive reach and it's worth making an effort to understand why.

So popularity with a certain type makes him worth listening to?

I assume therefore you'd apply the same to Jeremy Clarkson if he decided to enter the political arena?

After all Clarkson also has millions of followers and there seemed national outrage at his dismissal from the BBC. He is certainly hugely popular and less of a mysoginist that the vulgar Brand (which is an amazing achievement for Brand when you think about it)

Yes brand is spontaneous. It was rib ticklingly hilarious when he decided to dress as Bin Laden the day after 9/11.

I thought his phone call to the elderly Andrew Sachs boasting he had sex with his granddaughter was spontaneity in the extreme. His little ditty "it was consensual and she wasn't menstrual" would probably rival Keates for poetic beauty.

He is an immoral, foul mouthed publicity seeking yob. Whenever confronted, such as when asked about rent payments on his flat, he rapidly resorts to aggression and his mockney accent goes into overdrive.

How anyone takes him seriously is beyond me.

 

[M&B Stand]

I tell you what, people not voting is one thing, but the downright stupidity of some of the "general public" being stopped in the street and asked to comment on the election is scary. I saw a brummie woman on central news say she's voting labour cuz her benefits would go up! A vote for labour is a vote for a bigger plasma TV for white dee. Genius. It's up there with "I vote ukip to get the foreigners out".

 

[Grendel]

I tell you what, people not voting is one thing, but the downright stupidity of some of the "general public" being stopped in the street and asked to comment on the election is scary. I saw a brummie woman on central news say she's voting labour cuz her benefits would go up! A vote for labour is a vote for a bigger plasma TV for white dee. Genius. It's up there with "I vote ukip to get the foreigners out".

Well I've just had a drink in my local and the barmaid didn't even know who the Prime Minister was. To much hilarity someone said have you heard of Winston Churchill and (I kid you not) she said he's that dog that nods his head on the telly.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

So popularity with a certain type makes him worth listening to?

I assume therefore you'd apply the same to Jeremy Clarkson if he decided to enter the political arena?

Yes.

If Clarkson entered the political arena I would listen to his arguments and assess their merits. To ignore anyone of substantial political influence is to disengage from the national discourse. Opinions are reconstructed, polished and finessed with the stress of interaction.

Yes brand is spontaneous. It was rib ticklingly hilarious when he decided to dress as Bin Laden the day after 9/11. I thought his phone call to the elderly Andrew Sachs boasting he had sex with his granddaughter was spontaneity in the extreme. His little ditty "it was consensual and she wasn't menstrual" would probably rival Keates for poetic beauty. He is an immoral, foul mouthed publicity seeking yob. Whenever confronted, such as when asked about rent payments on his flat, he rapidly resorts to aggression and his mockney accent goes into overdrive.

This is ad hominem and doesn't discredit his arguments. I'm making no appeal on behalf of his behaviour or personality; he doesn't do much for me on that score either.

I am pointing out that he has an enormous political following. If you shun that, as Cameron did, then you are shunning millions of disillusioned voters rather than trying to understand their apathy. The paradox is that loads of the people who write off Brand's politics express many of the same concerns as he does. But instead of developing any unity over the issues, artificial divides are created over messengers and personalities.

 

[Ashdown]

No. But he tells the man on the street what he wants to hear. But would you trust him to run the country? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't, but I wouldn't mind the purple revolution with enough strength to enforce/sway decisions that millions of us want to see happen..............I refer back to your lengthy post for many of them !

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I am happy to pay a bit more tax....as long as it goes where it should.

I find it fascinating that since Thatcher, the political landscape changes so that a party suggesting the above just doesn't exist.

In terms of offering a choice, just what is the problem with offering tax and spend? The choices are simple, really - either cut taxes and cut services, or increase taxes and improve services... but the latter can never be said.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I assume therefore you'd apply the same to Jeremy Clarkson if he decided to enter the political arena?

tbf, he is worth listening to as well.

Every now and again I dip into the Daily Mail, feel soiled and dirty but... at least I then know the political alternative.

You never know, maybe one day (in my worst nightmare!) I start reading it and nod sagely...

 

[wingy]

I find it fascinating that since Thatcher, the political landscape changes so that a party suggesting the above just doesn't exist.

In terms of offering a choice, just what is the problem with offering tax and spend? The choices are simple, really - either cut taxes and cut services, or increase taxes and improve services... but the latter can never be said.

It's how the debate Is couched these days and has possibly Bern for the past ten to fifteen or so
A bit like It Can be on here
Quite hard hard to go against the grain at Times, but some one always should.
Media for all the cries of Indepedance fall into line and follow the
It takes bravery to get your point across and go against the tide,we're becoming a little America where there Is no Social conscience for disadvantaged groups

 

[Covstu]

As much as I want to punch Cameron, I cannot disagree with his approach. Bit cold but on the money for me!