Doug on CWR (2 Viewers)

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 9, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
I don’t buy into this idea that King is in this for the short term. Owning a Prem team must be somewhat lucrative!

It also becomes a headache. The amount of money needed to stay there will be ridiculous. At the moment he’s got an asset - club and stadium that he can sell at possibly around £75m - looking at the balance sheet he’s roughly put in £25m

he could easily make a significant sum selling now. Of course if he gambles and makes the prem he can make double that.

he strikes me as a man who wants to walk out on a high with next to no personal money put in.

the Batman phrase “you live to see yourself die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain” rings true with football

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 9, 2025

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
It also becomes a headache. The amount of money needed to stay there will be ridiculous. At the moment he’s got an asset - club and stadium that he can sell at possibly around £75m - looking at the balance sheet he’s roughly put in £25m

he could easily make a significant sum selling now. Of course if he gambles and makes the prem he can make double that.

he strikes me as a man who wants to walk out on a high with next to no personal money put in.

the Batman phrase “you live to see yourself die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain” rings true with football

I think he or someone has put in nearer to £40m

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 9, 2025

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think he or someone has put in nearer to £40m

Still the company has got to be worth around double that.

I was basing 25m on the losses being roughly about 7m, which we know he’s covering

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 9, 2025

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Still the company has got to be worth around double that.

I was basing 25m on the losses being roughly about 7m, which we know he’s covering

A big amount will have been paid for the stadium and there’s no knowledge of where the funds came from for that.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 9, 2025

Brighton Sky Blue said:
A big amount will have been paid for the stadium and there’s no knowledge of where the funds came from for that.

Isn’t it mortgaged? That’ll be against the club not doug

wingy · Nov 9, 2025

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
It also becomes a headache. The amount of money needed to stay there will be ridiculous. At the moment he’s got an asset - club and stadium that he can sell at possibly around £75m - looking at the balance sheet he’s roughly put in £25m

he could easily make a significant sum selling now. Of course if he gambles and makes the prem he can make double that.

he strikes me as a man who wants to walk out on a high with next to no personal money put in.

the Batman phrase “you live to see yourself die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain” rings true with football

That final phrase reminds me of someone somewhere something,in realife in real-time right now.

The Philosopher · Nov 9, 2025

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Isn’t it mortgaged? That’ll be against the club not doug

The club and the stadium together are obviously worth far more than the sum of their parts.

In corporate terms at this kind of level, where there is an asset to leverage (stadium plus guarantees possibly of Doug’s asset base) money is just a cost: Borrowing 40m might cost 5% per year (£2m).

Conversely, 40m not borrowed and invested / high interest / safe bonds earns 5%.

So if you’ve got 40m, putting it into a stadium with no mortgage costs you about the same as borrowing.

The Philosopher · Nov 9, 2025

Just for fun. Asked AI what CCFC is worth.

Answer:

Here’s a proper, component-by-component “club + players + stadium – debt” view for Coventry City, with sources and a realistic range.

Anchor facts (latest)

Squad market value (Transfermarkt): €108m (~£93m) for the first team.
Stadium ownership: Coventry City completed the purchase of the Coventry Building Society Arena from Frasers Group (Aug/Sep 2025). Fee not disclosed publicly.
Recent club financials: 2023/24 accounts indicate turnover just under £30m and improved profitability; Swiss Ramble analysis notes relatively low debt (about £30m in 23/24) after Doug King converted legacy loans to equity.

What’s it worth “club + players + stadium – debt”?

Because the stadium price wasn’t disclosed, and book values ≠ market values, the sensible way is to give a low/base/high range with explicit assumptions.

Assumptions (you can tweak any of these)

Players: use Transfermarkt as a proxy for “liquid” market value of contracts.
Stadium (CBS Arena): triangulate between 2022 distressed sale to Frasers (~£17m) and a healthier 2025 price; use £25–50m range, £35m base. (We avoid the £113m build cost—too historic.)
Other football assets (brand, training facilities rights/leases, hospitality fit-out, working capital): £5–15m range, £10m base (conservative).
Debt: use £30m headline financial debt for 23/24; acknowledge movements post-year-end could shift this slightly.

Takeaway: A sensible present-day range is ~£85m–£140m, with a base case ~£108m.

Why this is credible (and what would move it)

Players: Coventry’s squad is among the Championship’s more valuable; any big outbound deal (or promotion) moves this materially.
Stadium: the 2025 buy finally internalises matchday/hospitality upside. If the undisclosed purchase price were nearer £50m, the high case wins; if nearer the 2022 distressed benchmark, the low case does.
Debt: Swiss Ramble’s work (plus the club’s own releases) suggests the balance sheet is much cleaner post-ownership change; if net debt is lower than £30m today, the net value ticks up.

Gynnsthetonic · Nov 9, 2025

The Philosopher said:
Just for fun. Asked AI what CCFC is worth.

Answer:

Here’s a proper, component-by-component “club + players + stadium – debt” view for Coventry City, with sources and a realistic range.

Anchor facts (latest)

Squad market value (Transfermarkt): €108m (~£93m) for the first team.

Stadium ownership: Coventry City completed the purchase of the Coventry Building Society Arena from Frasers Group (Aug/Sep 2025). Fee not disclosed publicly.

Recent club financials: 2023/24 accounts indicate turnover just under £30m and improved profitability; Swiss Ramble analysis notes relatively low debt (about £30m in 23/24) after Doug King converted legacy loans to equity.

What’s it worth “club + players + stadium – debt”?

Because the stadium price wasn’t disclosed, and book values ≠ market values, the sensible way is to give a low/base/high range with explicit assumptions.

Assumptions (you can tweak any of these)

Players: use Transfermarkt as a proxy for “liquid” market value of contracts.

Stadium (CBS Arena): triangulate between 2022 distressed sale to Frasers (~£17m) and a healthier 2025 price; use £25–50m range, £35m base. (We avoid the £113m build cost—too historic.)

Other football assets (brand, training facilities rights/leases, hospitality fit-out, working capital): £5–15m range, £10m base (conservative).

Debt: use £30m headline financial debt for 23/24; acknowledge movements post-year-end could shift this slightly.

Takeaway: A sensible present-day range is ~£85m–£140m, with a base case ~£108m.

Why this is credible (and what would move it)

Players: Coventry’s squad is among the Championship’s more valuable; any big outbound deal (or promotion) moves this materially.

Stadium: the 2025 buy finally internalises matchday/hospitality upside. If the undisclosed purchase price were nearer £50m, the high case wins; if nearer the 2022 distressed benchmark, the low case does.

Debt: Swiss Ramble’s work (plus the club’s own releases) suggests the balance sheet is much cleaner post-ownership change; if net debt is lower than £30m today, the net value ticks up.

What are the options again?

nicksar · Nov 10, 2025

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
People talk about the Fulham prices, what do the fans pay at Tottenham and Everton's new shiny stadiums, with increased capacity

I have a friend who is a Tottenham season ticket holder and last season he paid £4500 for two season tickets for him and his adult Son, I'm not sure if he's in the most expensive or least expensive part of the stadium tbh.
Very expensive though.

clint van damme · Nov 10, 2025

nicksar said:
I have a friend who is a Tottenham season ticket holder and last season he paid £4500 for two season tickets for him and his adult Son, I'm not sure if he's in the most expensive or least expensive part of the stadium tbh.
Very expensive though.

North London clubs have always been expensive though.
Villa and Wolves would be better comparisons for us.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 10, 2025

The Philosopher said:
The club and the stadium together are obviously worth far more than the sum of their parts.

In corporate terms at this kind of level, where there is an asset to leverage (stadium plus guarantees possibly of Doug’s asset base) money is just a cost: Borrowing 40m might cost 5% per year (£2m).

Conversely, 40m not borrowed and invested / high interest / safe bonds earns 5%.

So if you’ve got 40m, putting it into a stadium with no mortgage costs you about the same as borrowing.

But that’s against CovCityCo isn’t it? Doug and his investors haven’t put that money in.

I’ve probably misunderstood you, but as you’ve said the club and arena are worth far more together and he’s about to make a tidy profit should he sell now

Captain Dart · Nov 10, 2025

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
But that’s against CovCityCo isn’t it? Doug and his investors haven’t put that money in.

I’ve probably misunderstood you, but as you’ve said the club and arena are worth far more together and he’s about to make a tidy profit should he sell now

I think we have to hope he remains for at least the next decade, best owner CCFC have had since Derick Robins and probably better than him, certainly the football business is a far far bigger concern in the modern era than it as in the 1960's-70s.

He may get a partner investor if promotion is achieved, I'm sure he'll be talking to others already but I think he will want to remain in control while he is here.

I'm looking forward and being uncharacteristically optimistic.

robbiethemole · Nov 10, 2025

If we get promoted, that alone is worth £150m and if we get relegated the same year that's worth at least £120m (this years figure ) plus a shars of TV rights money ( £6.9B ) plus a new sponsor deal and merch as well. LOADS A MONEY!!!!!

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Nov 10, 2025

robbiethemole said:
If we get promoted, that alone is worth £150m and if we get relegated the same year that's worth at least £120m (this years figure ) plus a shars of TV rights money ( £6.9B ) plus a new sponsor deal and merch as well. LOADS A MONEY!!!!!

Problem is there is a need to spend that to try and compete. Football fans are fickle. If Doug started pocketing that he'd soon lose his hero status.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2025

clint van damme said:
North London clubs have always been expensive though.
Villa and Wolves would be better comparisons for us.

They both average around £800 a ticket

clint van damme · Nov 10, 2025

Grendel said:
They both average around £800 a ticket

I don't think we'd be a million miles from that, cheapest tickets around £650?

Grendel · Nov 10, 2025

clint van damme said:
I don't think we'd be a million miles from that, cheapest tickets around £650?

Wolves cheapest is £780

rob9872 · Nov 10, 2025

£30 for away, so I'll have a season ticket in the away end for £570

Ccfcisparks · Nov 10, 2025

Grendel said:
They both average around £800 a ticket

Wolves is notoriously expensive and has been since before they got promoted.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
Wolves is notoriously expensive and has been since before they got promoted.

Villa centre blocks are £1,000

stevefloyd · Nov 10, 2025

rob9872 said:
I hope he's Boosh.

I hope its me because I'd be rich

Grendel · Nov 10, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
Wolves is notoriously expensive and has been since before they got promoted.

Im wolves defence if its families it’s not bad as they flat rate £285 for under 18 and £105 for U14

clint van damme · Nov 10, 2025

Grendel said:
Wolves cheapest is £780

That's dearer than I thought it would be.

Evo1883 · Nov 10, 2025

Grendel said:
Wolves cheapest is £780

And its hardly justified , they are wank

nicksar · Nov 10, 2025

Ticketing details 2025/26 season

Information on season tickets, matchday pricing, waiting list, Villa Park and more

www.avfc.co.uk

Villa are very expensive.

rob9872 · Nov 10, 2025

Grendel said:
Villa centre blocks are £1,000

Double if you'd prefer one facing the car park

Ccfcisparks · Nov 10, 2025

Evo1883 said:
And its hardly justified , they are wank

Yet the season they got to the Europa League semi final it was entirely justified. Its extremely hard to price based prospectively on how a teams going to perform in the coming season.

Evo1883 · Nov 10, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
Yet the season they got to the Europa League semi final it was entirely justified. Its extremely hard to price based prospectively on how a teams going to perform in the coming season.

Exactly , i agree .

Cov fans however

clint van damme · Nov 10, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
Yet the season they got to the Europa League semi final it was entirely justified. Its extremely hard to price based prospectively on how a teams going to perform in the coming season.

Quarters wasn't it?
Don't know if that really makes any difference

Calista · Nov 10, 2025

David O'Day said:
Also when I lived in Wandsworth their were loads of working class Fulham fans

Accidentally released and hiding in plain sight on Sky Blues Talk

chiefdave · Nov 10, 2025

clint van damme said:
I don't think we'd be a million miles from that, cheapest tickets around £650?

The cheapest would be free!!! There's about 5K that purchased the initial premier league package which runs until 2027/28 and then the PLP 2.0 people to add in as well.

SBT · Nov 10, 2025

Grendel said:
I’m going to see a band called Raising Sands in December it’s £97

Never heard of them.

Evo1883 · Nov 21, 2025

I guess with tomorrow not selling out in the home or away end , we can safely say the prices arent justified as people tried using this argument ?

Sound

Balli001 · Nov 21, 2025

Evo1883 said:
I guess with tomorrow not selling out in the home or away end , we can safely say the prices arent justified as people tried using this argument ?

Sound

Let us know what Doug says when you complain to him directly instead of here

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