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shmmeee

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,886
Grendel said:
A test which I assume includes cash flow forecasts?
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Is this the part where you realise your last post was silly so change the subject?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,887
shmmeee said:
Is this the part where you realise your last post was silly so change the subject?
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Er no that’s not changing the subject because you’d assume the business has to submit some kind of plan to the EFL to show financial viability going forward which shows income, expenditure and the amount that the club is being supported by a new owner

Although it’s a different situation that’s exactly what wasps had to do to get its owners approved

I was the the EFL I’d certainly be concerned that someone is allegedly purchasing a club which has only 20 weeks tenure. What’s to prevent a wholesale asset sale and subsequent liquidation. I would hope it’s at least looking to get some business plan and forecast off the owners and the club.

The club have been asked to submit answers to certain questions - i and no one else knows what these are

More pertinently I’d hope they are also asking what the takeover actually is

It’s highly probable that zero cash is changing hands. King personally seems to have little or no cash in football ownership terms himself . It seems an odd situation to actually to purchase an organisation which has no tenure of security in 20 or so weeks which has to raise alarm bells as to its legitimacy - especially given the faikec

The 85/15 thing equally raises questions. You don’t need that. I think King said he wants Seppala expertise. You certainly don’t need that.

No one has a clue where the 15 resides still though again you can guess it’s in Otium for obvious reasons and would then raise issues regarding its legitimacy full stop

The Bury situation was entirely different as the ground was the asset. However if king as the new owner couldn’t actually strike a deal with the the arena and said regrettably he can no longer carry on - having of course sold the assets first to settle outstanding commitments to the prior owner then tragically be let down by Mr Ashley at the last minute that would be very unfortunate wouldn’t it
 
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JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,888
I know this was a mistype but this did make me laugh as it reads like peak G.


Grendel said:
The club have been asked to submit answers to certain questions - i and no one else knows what these are
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slowpoke

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,889
I have said on here before the continued sisu involvement be it only 15% could be a problem their record over 15 years and with the EFL is rubbish reneged time and again, they can’t be trusted to lie straight in bed.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,890
slowpoke said:
I have said on here before the continued sisu involvement be it only 15% could be a problem their record over 15 years and with the EFL is rubbish reneged time and again, they can’t be trusted to lie straight in bed.
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Not sure the efl would agree. Other owners might
 

slowpoke

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,891
Going back to the Northampton debacle a time when sisu stuck their chest out a bit I’m sure the sports minister or another MP aswell as one of our local MPs at the time try and find out who actually owned ccfc and never found out come to that who actually owns us now ?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,892
If this is going to happen surely there will be major progress/completion by the end of next week?
 

CDK

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,893
Hopefully this is sorted either way next week.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,894
slowpoke said:
Going back to the Northampton debacle a time when sisu stuck their chest out a bit I’m sure the sports minister or another MP aswell as one of our local MPs at the time try and find out who actually owned ccfc and never found out come to that who actually owns us now ?
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Who owns Coventry City FC?

COVENTRY City chief executive Tim Fisher has assured supporters that the club has got nothing to hide.
www.coventrytelegraph.net
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,895
Grendel said:
Er no that’s not changing the subject because you’d assume the business has to submit some kind of plan to the EFL to show financial viability going forward which shows income, expenditure and the amount that the club is being supported by a new owner

Although it’s a different situation that’s exactly what wasps had to do to get its owners approved

I was the the EFL I’d certainly be concerned that someone is allegedly purchasing a club which has only 20 weeks tenure. What’s to prevent a wholesale asset sale and subsequent liquidation. I would hope it’s at least looking to get some business plan and forecast off the owners and the club.

The club have been asked to submit answers to certain questions - i and no one else knows what these are

More pertinently I’d hope they are also asking what the takeover actually is

It’s highly probable that zero cash is changing hands. King personally seems to have little or no cash in football ownership terms himself . It seems an odd situation to actually to purchase an organisation which has no tenure of security in 20 or so weeks which has to raise alarm bells as to its legitimacy - especially given the faikec

The 85/15 thing equally raises questions. You don’t need that. I think King said he wants Seppala expertise. You certainly don’t need that.

No one has a clue where the 15 resides still though again you can guess it’s in Otium for obvious reasons and would then raise issues regarding its legitimacy full stop

The Bury situation was entirely different as the ground was the asset. However if king as the new owner couldn’t actually strike a deal with the the arena and said regrettably he can no longer carry on - having of course sold the assets first to settle outstanding commitments to the prior owner then tragically be let down by Mr Ashley at the last minute that would be very unfortunate wouldn’t it
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That’s a lot of words but doesn’t change the fact King is unable to arrange a new deal until the takeover is approved. I get you’ve got questions and they’re fair ones, but complaining someone who hasn’t been approved to have significant control over the club hasn’t signed a long term deal on behalf of the club isn’t one of them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,896
shmmeee said:
That’s a lot of words but doesn’t change the fact King is unable to arrange a new deal until the takeover is approved. I get you’ve got questions and they’re fair ones, but complaining someone who hasn’t been approved to have significant control over the club hasn’t signed a long term deal on behalf of the club isn’t one of them.
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The question will be being asked to avoid a situation as I’ve described as best as they can and to understand the motivation for purchase which given the ground situation appears to be very strange timing indeed.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,897
Grendel said:
The question will be being asked to avoid a situation as I’ve described as best as they can and to understand the motivation for purchase which given the ground situation appears to be very strange timing indeed.
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But it’ll just be answered “it’s the first thing on the to do list”. They can’t demand he strikes a deal before they approve the takeover.

As we’ve seen, the EFL were happy enough with an arrangement that could be unilaterally cancelled by either party with no notice.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,898
Grendel said:

Who owns Coventry City FC?

COVENTRY City chief executive Tim Fisher has assured supporters that the club has got nothing to hide.
www.coventrytelegraph.net
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Who owns us then ?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,899
slowpoke said:
Who owns us then ?
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The structure has changed since then so idea

If king does take over it will I assume be a share transfer of some of the group to this commodity trader fund

How Doug King’s hedge fund made a killing shorting oil: ‘Investors don’t really get bear markets’

King’s RCMA Merchant Commodity Fund is up 26% this year. In 2014, it was up almost 60%
www.fnlondon.com
 

slowpoke

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,900
Just a guess but it looks to me possibly sisu own or have a 15% stake in ccfc.
 

Colin Steins Smile

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,901
Grendel has made some good points regarding the prospective takeover. The prospects of the EFL trying to clarify details of ownership within Doug King and SISU's [who'll still have significant holding in CCFC] is daunting and no wonder it's taking time.
The EFL will not only have to check that DK has the money, but also where it came from? All it needs is some red flags to be raised concerning money laundering or investors with "unspent criminal convictions" to be raised and the take over will not be approved.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,902
Colin Steins Smile said:
Grendel has made some good points regarding the prospective takeover. The prospects of the EFL trying to clarify details of ownership within Doug King and SISU's [who'll still have significant holding in CCFC] is daunting and no wonder it's taking time.
The EFL will not only have to check that DK has the money, but also where it came from? All it needs is some red flags to be raised concerning money laundering or investors with "unspent criminal convictions" to be raised and the take over will not be approved.
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I mean if they’re doing this they’re going to a far higher level of scrutiny than they seem to for the usual shysters taking on Championship clubs.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,903
Not posted on this thread for a while but its all very boring and I hope Ashley just buys us tbh.

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Hobo

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,904
Colin Steins Smile said:
Grendel has made some good points regarding the prospective takeover. The prospects of the EFL trying to clarify details of ownership within Doug King and SISU's [who'll still have significant holding in CCFC] is daunting and no wonder it's taking time.
The EFL will not only have to check that DK has the money, but also where it came from? All it needs is some red flags to be raised concerning money laundering or investors with "unspent criminal convictions" to be raised and the take over will not be approved.
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I agree. Checks aren't just about funds in an account. There will need to be transparency on from who and where they come from.

This possibly is the delay reported with EFL asking for more information which CCFC said they have submitted. Nothing likely to happen until the committee sit again.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,905
TomRad85 said:
Not posted on this thread for a while but its all very boring and I hope Ashley just buys us tbh.

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Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,906
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean if they’re doing this they’re going to a far higher level of scrutiny than they seem to for the usual shysters taking on Championship clubs.
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Such as?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,907
Grendel said:
Such as?
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Reading
Sheff Utd
Wigan
Watford
Charlton
Sheff Weds
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,908
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Reading
Sheff Utd
Wigan
Watford
Charlton
Sheff Weds
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How many of them had the current owners retaining 15 percent?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,909
Grendel said:
The 85/15 thing equally raises questions. You don’t need that. I think King said he wants Seppala expertise. You certainly don’t need that.
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You writing song lyrics m8?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,910
clint van damme said:
How many of them had the current owners retaining 15 percent?
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Reading is a 75-25 split and 10 of the 75 is shared between two people
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,911
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Reading is a 75-25 split and 10 of the 75 is shared between two people
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That's a fairly unusual arrangement I think.
I posted last week that it's the source of the funds which is the issue, I've no idea how true that is but I wouldn't be surprised.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,912
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Reading
Sheff Utd
Wigan
Watford
Charlton
Sheff Weds
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Really? Other than charlton they are all fine?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,913
Grendel said:
Really? Other than charlton they are all fine?
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I think only Sheff Utd on that list would consider themselves 'fine'
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,914
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think only Sheff Utd on that list would consider themselves 'fine'
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Some dubious names for sure, but given that many on here (including yourself) are ready to roll out the red carpet to Mike Ashley of all people, then surely most of our fans would be happy with those other owners too?
 

slowpoke

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,915
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think only Sheff Utd on that list would consider themselves 'fine'
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Haven’t they recently had a takeover attempt kicked out by the EFL
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,916
SBT said:
Some dubious names for sure, but given that many on here (including yourself) are ready to roll out the red carpet to Mike Ashley of all people, then surely most of our fans would be happy with those other owners too?
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The list there is in the context of 'questions over the source of funding'. While there's more than one issue with Ashley that wouldn't be one.

But really that's moot as he clearly isn't interested
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,917
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think only Sheff Utd on that list would consider themselves 'fine'
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Which of them have no money to function as a going concern?
 
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letsallsingtogether

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,918
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not sure the efl would agree. Other owners might
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I'm sure EFL definitely agree bet they are sick to death with our illustrious leader.

Must have spent most of their time debating our clubs troubles over the last 10 years, at least 1 massive issue every season!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,919
letsallsingtogether said:
I'm sure EFL definitely agree bet they are sick to death with our illustrious leader.

Must have spent most of their time debating our clubs troubles over the last 10 years, at least 1 massive issue every season!
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Really ?? Hyperbole I think. I’m sure they have dealt with lots. The rest of the clubs all have a say
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2022
  • #3,920
Sky Blue Pete said:
Really ?? Hyperbole I think. I’m sure they have dealt with lots. The rest of the clubs all have a say
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Really??
 
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