Do you want to discuss boring politics? (20 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

This thread has delivered in every way I knew it would this morning.

Denial, whataboutism, allegations of racism. I mean some of you really go the extra mile to miss the reality of the situation.

The idea you can have a go at people for highlighting that the demographic landscape of the UK is being changed when you have an election like this would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The demographics for this region suggest 30% Muslim population (up from 20% in the last 10-15 years). There's obviously a very high Muslim vote, and they're obviously voting for the one party they think they can manipulate.

Ah excellent you’ve come out and said it. Let’s see if they can manipulate the party. Certainly all other parties are under huge amounts of influence from small groups of people .

Used to be easier but now it’s more complicated. Tories rich Labour working class

Let’s not pretend it’s anything new for a party to be influenced or that it’s necessarily a bad thing

 

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[rob9872]

Nick genuine question, if you were to vote tomorrow who would you vote for.

Carl Rushworth

 

[Nick]

The way the right wing portrays the Muslim stereotype and the belief of cheating with 'family voting'. I'm sure husbands forced their wives/daughters/sons to vote for a white woman with a gay Jew as leader.

Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?

 

[Grendel]

The way the right wing portrays the Muslim stereotype and the belief of cheating with 'family voting'. I'm sure husbands forced their wives/daughters/sons to vote for a white woman with a gay Jew as leader.

Again the gay Jew and the white woman joined forces with a known anti Jew pro Islam rabble rouser to get elected

 

[Nick]

Nick genuine question, if you were to vote tomorrow who would you vote for.

That's what I mean, absolutely no clue.

If they put John Davidson up for election without a thought, him.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, Duffer referred to my comment about reform and greens being divisive and asked why did I think Greens were divisive. I gave a couple of examples

Yes, I was responding to your line on 'why no British stuff in there?'.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The way the right wing portrays the Muslim stereotype and the belief of cheating with 'family voting'. I'm sure husbands forced their wives/daughters/sons to vote for a white woman with a gay Jew as leader.

Of course white families do not discuss who they vote for and people are never influenced by who their parents voted for

 

[rob9872]

That's what I mean, absolutely no clue.

If they put John Davidson up for election without a thought, him.

What do we want?
An end to Tourettes
When do we want it?
C*nt!

 

[Nick]

Carl Rushworth

To be fair, that tash might get a few onside.

 

[Grendel]

Ah excellent you’ve come out and said it. Let’s see if they can manipulate the party. Certainly all other parties are under huge amounts of influence from small groups of people .

Used to be easier but now it’s more complicated. Tories rich Labour working class

Let’s not pretend it’s anything new for a party to be influenced or that it’s necessarily a bad thing

If you think its OK for a party that used to focus on Green issues to whore itself to George Galloway then I am struggling to know what to say to you

Polanski has out grifted the arch Reform grifter

What a day

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?

Maybe it's more about who they aren't rather than who they are. Reform clearly think they're scum, whereas Labour have carried on the policy of supporting Israel's crimes in Gaza and alienated younger voters.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Useful idiot Pete, they know they can manipulate people like her.

Yep esb thinks similar. Let’s see we’ve certainly been screwed by rich elites influencing both tories and labour

 

[Nick]

Of course white families do not discuss who they vote for and people are never influenced by who their parents voted for

That's not what a "family vote" is, is it? I'm confused, is it a good thing or a bad thing for democracy?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?

You have no idea whether "the muslim vote" backed them. Unless you are privy to some hitherto unavailable information.

 

[LarryGrayson]

Yep esb thinks similar

or theyve read it somewhere

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Makes you wonder why the muslim vote backed them then?

Was it the things they agreed to and the extreme islamist fella they drafted in?

What did Galloway do? Did he not just support the Green candidate or was he involved in the material or turning up?

 

[rob9872]

What did Galloway do? Did he not just support the Green candidate or was he involved in the material or turning up?

Pretended he was a cat

 

[Grendel]

No one is of course focusing on another fuck up by Starmer

Refusing to allow Burnham to stand
Producing dodgy leaflets with fake poll results
Sending a message vote Green and get Reform
Turning up to campaign when no one wanted him there

 

[fernandopartridge]

That's not what a "family vote" is, is it? I'm confused, is it a good thing or a bad thing for democracy?

The only difference is where the influencing takes place. Not that there was any evidence of it actually happening in this election.

However, the by-election's acting returning officer said polling station staff were trained to look for undue influence on voters and "no such issues" had been reported during polling hours.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No one is of course focusing on another fuck up by Starmer

Refusing to allow Burnham to stand
Producing dodgy leaflets with fake poll results
Sending a message vote Green and get Reform
Turning up to campaign when no one wanted him there

He's got the midas touch, any shmmeee and the lads told me he's going to go left in a few weeks and everybody will love hiim

 

[Grendel]

What did Galloway do? Did he not just support the Green candidate or was he involved in the material or turning up?

He stood his party candidate down and threw his weight behind the Green Party - they had 10% share in the General Election

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He stood his party candidate down and threw his weight behind the Green Party - they had 10% share in the General Election

So nothing

 

[fernandopartridge]

He stood his party candidate down and threw his weight behind the Green Party - they had 10% share in the General Election

Poor old Nigel must be gutted about that

Brexit party will not contest 317 Tory-won seats, Farage says

Party leader announces election climbdown in effort to avoid splitting leave vote

www.theguardian.com

 

[Grendel]

So nothing

Withdrawing his candidate and telling all his supporters to switch a vote to the Green Party as a Pro Palestine vote is nothing?

Sure.

 

[LarryGrayson]

So nothing

its endorsement from a dodgy geezer tho i mean i wouldnt want nige endorsing me neither

 

[Nick]

Maybe it's more about who they aren't rather than who they are. Reform clearly think they're scum, whereas Labour have carried on the policy of supporting Israel's crimes in Gaza and alienated younger voters.

Yeah the last bit goes with what I have been saying.

 

[CCFCSteve]

It’s the new norm I agree
It’s a shame and both the Conservative 14 year term and labours 18 months have a lot to answer for not finding a way to improve things

People just don’t live in the real world and just want easy answers. In the past 15-20 years we’ve had

Financial crisis
Global pandemic
Ukraine war which together with post Covid, QE etc lead to rampant inflation

Throw in the fact we have an aging unhealthy demographic, Brexit and whether people like it or not population growth of 10%+ and it’s no surprise there’s been a massive impact on the U.K, our living standards, public services etc

The worlds changed and will continue to with AI etc but nobody wants to accept it or come up with honest answers and tough choices to the challenges ahead

 

[Grendel]

its endorsement from a dodgy geezer tho i mean i wouldnt want nige endorsing me neither

As I said its a couple of Grifters in Polanski and Farage trying to out grift each other

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

People just don’t live in the real world and just want easy answers. In the past 15-20 years we’ve had

Financial crisis
Global pandemic
Ukraine war which together with post Covid, QE etc lead to rampant inflation

Throw in the fact we have an aging unhealthy demographic, Brexit and whether people like it or not population growth of 10%+ and it’s no surprise there’s been a massive impact on the U.K, our living standards, public services etc

The worlds changed and will continue to with AI etc but nobody wants to accept it or come up with honest answers and tough choices to the challenges ahead

What’s your thoughts on the tough choices?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yes, I was responding to your line on 'why no British stuff in there?'.

I suggested a British flag, alongside the Pakistani and Palestine flags if you didn’t want to be divisive

 

[CCFCSteve]

What’s your thoughts on the tough choices?

Fuck knows with AI. Generally I’ve always felt the conversation should be around higher taxes for better public services due to demographics but ensuring the goverment spends the cash wisely and in the right areas to benefit the population as a whole. Not particularly radical


Edit - no issue with increasing borrowing for infrastructure projects that will help with growth etc but these projects need to be delivered a lot quicker and better value

 

[Nick]

You have no idea whether "the muslim vote" backed them. Unless you are privy to some hitherto unavailable information.

They literally said it?

 

[Nick]

its endorsement from a dodgy geezer tho i mean i wouldnt want nige endorsing me neither

Probably just setup alter agos for each.

 

[Grendel]

To be fair I agree with George here

 

[PVA]

No reports from the council of this apparent electoral fraud. No reports from the police. No reports from any polling staff.

Then it all comes out after the vote, once Reform have lost.

Yet watch it become gospel for many over the next few days. Fucking chancers.