Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

[Ccfcisparks]

Apologies, with that one I thought you meant I was disgusting.

I've literally said I don't agree with taxing in this thread? Even more so if women are literally unable to have a child.

Thats fine, I didnt really make it clear.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

To be fair Pete spent a couple of paragraphs on the last page explaining the difference between millions and billions for us.

I think we've all learnt something today.

I had you all in the 60% who know how much more a billion is

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

100%. It’s more the auxiliary cost of kids: a house with sufficient space, the fucking water bill going through the roof because of bath time (went from £18 per month pre-child to £75 per month now), more food, and childcare.

As much as I think he’s a horrible bastard, Orban in Hungary has thrown a massive curveball with his proposal that any woman who has 2 kids will be exempt from income tax for life (don’t think their tax rate is as high as ours; may be wrong).

That’s an excellent policy

 

[rob9872]

I had you all in the 60% who know how much more a billion is

I wouldn't put your last £1 on it after some of what I've read!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I wouldn't put your last £1 on it after some of what I've read!

Just you then

 

[wingy]

L

I had you all in the 60% who know how much more a billion is

How does it work, there's a difference in American Million's isn't there,does that transfer to the billions?

 

[chiefdave]

It's naive to ask what is outrageous about telling girls the risks of having kids in their 40s as opposed to their 20s? Let's face it, it's nothing like the Handmaids Tale like made out.

I think if you take that one comment in isolation it would be hard to be outraged about it. But doesn't this already happen? I don't know any women who aren't aware of their biological clock and the increased risks that come with having a baby later in life.

His quote also doesn't make any sense, "We need to also explain to young girls and women the biological reality of this crisis. Many women in Britain are having children much too late in life and they would prefer to have children much earlier on.".

If they want to have children earlier but can't then that is the issue you address. Obviously some barriers, fertility issues, are harder to remove than others but if he is correct to say women want to have kids earlier but aren't then telling them about the "biological reality" will have zero impact.

People are probably looking at this as part of an overall picture of the guy who is also talking about taxing women who don't have kids and making disparaging comments about "childless women".

 

[chiefdave]

Seems to be a fair number of people on the right side of the political spectrum who believe women should be having more kids and having them earlier while also being against any support for parents.

We live in a world where for a lot of young people even if they are in a couple and both working its still a struggle. You're then saying either add in huge childcare costs or have one parent no longer work. How many young couples can take a huge reduction in income at the same time they have significant additional expenses?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Seems to be a fair number of people on the right side of the political spectrum who believe women should be having more kids and having them earlier while also being against any support for parents.

We live in a world where for a lot of young people even if they are in a couple and both working its still a struggle. You're then saying either add in huge childcare costs or have one parent no longer work. How many young couples can take a huge reduction in income at the same time they have significant additional expenses?

Yep and that’s what needs challenging rather than going handmaids tale I think

 

[Marty]

100%. It’s more the auxiliary cost of kids: a house with sufficient space, the fucking water bill going through the roof because of bath time (went from £18 per month pre-child to £75 per month now), more food, and childcare.

As much as I think he’s a horrible bastard, Orban in Hungary has thrown a massive curveball with his proposal that any woman who has 2 kids will be exempt from income tax for life (don’t think their tax rate is as high as ours; may be wrong).

Karol Nawrocki passed a similar thing in Poland, raises the threshold to start paying tax up to 140k PLN (about 30k GBP) per parent.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I don’t think we comprehend just how much £4bn is

in seconds a million is 11 days
A billion???? 31 years

billion is a thousand millions

it’s more than selfish

Here’s one for you Pete

Did you know you could have spent a £1m per day since Jesus was born (or 2030 years for non believers) and you still wouldn’t have spent a trillion !

Ps we’re about to £3trn in debt, USA £38trn

 

[tisza]

100%. It’s more the auxiliary cost of kids: a house with sufficient space, the fucking water bill going through the roof because of bath time (went from £18 per month pre-child to £75 per month now), more food, and childcare.

As much as I think he’s a horrible bastard, Orban in Hungary has thrown a massive curveball with his proposal that any woman who has 2 kids will be exempt from income tax for life (don’t think their tax rate is as high as ours; may be wrong).

we're at 15%. Also a lot of other subsidies for families having 2 or more kids - home improvement grants, subsidised home purchase loans, etc

 

[wingy]

we're at 15%. Also a lot of other subsidies for families having 2 or more kids - home improvement grants, subsidised home purchase loans, etc

Interesting!

 

[tisza]

Interesting!

also to be clear it's only for EU nationals (not through choice but EU law). Generally those from 3rd countries(inc UK) wouldn't get anything

 

[fernandopartridge]

Here’s one for you Pete

Did you know you could have spent a £1m per day since Jesus was born (or 2030 years for non believers) and you still wouldn’t have spent a trillion !

Ps we’re about to £3trn in debt, USA £38trn

Just the reality of the net money supply over time

 

[wingy]

Here’s one for you Pete

Did you know you could have spent a £1m per day since Jesus was born (or 2030 years for non believers) and you still wouldn’t have spent a trillion !

Ps we’re about to £3trn in debt, USA £38trn

Soon to be $39trn

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I’m sure most women are fully aware when it becomes harder for them to have children as well.

As it is not the same set of rules applied to everyone, reproductive health is important to keep a track of if you do want to have children. By the time many women look at this, it can already be too late.

I think the awareness is getting there more in the last decade or so, and many women are now taking options such as freezing their eggs, but I don't think it is something everyone is fully clued up about. Once the clock is running down it can be really difficult, and very stressful.

 

[chiefdave]

Are we having a year where we don't see our council tax bill go up way beyond inflation while services get cut???

Council tax bills in Coventry will rise less than expected – with the local authority set to sign off a 3.95% increase.

Labour-run Coventry City Council had been budgeting for the maximum rise of 4.99%, but said it had been able to reduce that amount after receiving better than expected funding from central government.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Are we having a year where we don't see our council tax bill go up way beyond inflation while services get cut???

Try living in Birmingham Dave !!!

I’ll keep asking, where the fuck is all the cash going


Ps I know social care costs are only going to increase as years go by but there is no way that’s the only reason for what’s happening across a lot of councils at the moment

 

[wingy]

They're all doing it, well soi, even reform are highlighting some council somewhere, must be catching?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Interesting u turn on the local elactions
It’s all choice I suppose democracy at th expense of a lot of money probably the correct call

 

[Captain Dart]

Another Starmer U turn.

 

[chiefdave]

Which elections are these?

Assume we're not spending time on money holding elections for councils that are being abolished in the local government reorganisation!

 

[Grendel]

Interesting u turn on the local elactions
It’s all choice I suppose democracy at th expense of a lot of money probably the correct call

Reform had enough funds to take legal action against the government - they’ve conceded as they knew this ridiculous decision was essentially unlawful

 

[Captain Dart]

Which elections are these?

Assume we're not spending time on money holding elections for councils that are being abolished in the local government reorganisation!

That is exactly what will happen. Labour are trying to avoid the drubbing they will get in May.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Which elections are these?

Assume we're not spending time on money holding elections for councils that are being abolished in the local government reorganisation!

That’s the argument but who cares about spending money we don’t have
On balance democracy should win

 

[Grendel]

That’s the argument but who cares about spending money we don’t have
On balance democracy should win

Stop being ridiculous- the government has billions - it’s just sanctioned £13 billion extra defence spending

Starmer has fucked up again hasn’t he?

 

[chiefdave]

That is exactly what will happen. Labour are trying to avoid the drubbing they will get in May.

What I meant was that as a result of the local government reorganisation, which I believe is to resolve the issue of some area's having two tiers of local government, there was concern that we, ie: taxpayers, would be spending a large amount of money holding elections for seats & councils that will imminently cease to exist.

Those aren't the elections being referred to are they?

 

[Grendel]

What I meant was that as a result of the local government reorganisation, which I believe is to resolve the issue of some area's having two tiers of local government, there was concern that we, ie: taxpayers, would be spending a large amount of money holding elections for seats & councils that will imminently cease to exist.

Those aren't the elections being referred to are they?

Why are you playing dumb?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What I meant was that as a result of the local government reorganisation, which I believe is to resolve the issue of some area's having two tiers of local government, there was concern that we, ie: taxpayers, would be spending a large amount of money holding elections for seats & councils that will imminently cease to exist.

Those aren't the elections being referred to are they?

They are yes

 

[Captain Dart]

What I meant was that as a result of the local government reorganisation, which I believe is to resolve the issue of some area's having two tiers of local government, there was concern that we, ie: taxpayers, would be spending a large amount of money holding elections for seats & councils that will imminently cease to exist.

Those aren't the elections being referred to are they?

That's a pretext. Besides local government reorg has an agenda, if you believe it is about efficiency and saving money you're a fool.

 

[Grendel]

The taxpayer is funding Reforms court costs

Just resign Starmer

 

[LarryGrayson]

its stupid to hold them as nobody will do anything in that year but reorganise but if it really is unlawful then its such incompetence from goverment they cant come back from that