What I like about Farage is that he tells it like it is and doesn’t speak like a normal politician, so when he’s asked if he was ever racist at school he can give them a real straight talking answer like “have I ever been part of an extremist organisation or engaged in direct, unpleasant, personal abuse, no”
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Typical BBC bias in favour of the woke radical left agenda wait what
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chiefdave
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I would have been at school mid to late 80s and we def knew about racism and what was and wasn't acceptable then. There was certainly more casual racism from the older generation but I don't think Farage is old enough to have that excuse.
rob9872
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I agree and I was at school in the 80's too. I don't know the details of what's being alleged, but the only pass I'd give him is that language does change. If he's directed personal abuse at someone to make them feel uncomfortable that's always totally wrong, but I'd be lying if I said we didn't refer to the local shop as the P shop (as they even did on OFaH) or make jokes about jews, Ethiopians or Cambodians. We even called people Joey after the poor guy on Blue Peter. I might be the only one admitting that on this platform, but I know I won't be the only one who did it.
In today's terms that was all totally unacceptable and in fairness was unacceptable back then too, but everyone I know from school said the same and whilst I'd never consider at the time what we said was racist, I wasn't on the receiving end of it to judge.
Ccfcisparks
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Its ok it was just hijinks before the woke world oft oday!
Brighton Sky Blue
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In my wife’s neck of the woods in Scotland people still use the terms P shop and ‘chinky’ for a Chinese takeaway. Some parts of the country haven’t caught up.
As for Farage I agree with what you’ve written.
LarryGrayson
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he says it just banter tho says more about wot he thinks now he cant say its wrong lick wot you have
Grendel
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I don’t think your maths is very good here!
Mucca Mad Boys
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The 7th richest man in the UK has just left the UK… the millionaire exodus is of course not real.
fernandopartridge
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It has no relevance to anybody really
Sky Blue Pete
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To be fair is he not one of the people reform wish to remove any way?
The point Mittal makes is though. It’s the additional requirement that non doms inheritance tax will now include worldwide assets that’s the problem (as well as maybe the muted exit tax). Reeves had apparently acknowledged this potential issue previously and rumours were that she was going to reverse it. This was unlikely to generate very much for the government in the short term but would encourage those very wealthy who have little ties here (I’d imagine decent number of the wealthiest non doms) to leave the country especially if they’re getting older and discourage any very wealthy from coming here…which could be costly in the short term
This isn’t about the known changes to non dom status which I’d imagine most would suck up and I get the impression was driven more by ideology than practical benefit
Mucca Mad Boys
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No… They want high net-worth immigration.
The Top 1% make up 30% of tax receipts, so despite you brushing this off, the more high income people that leave, the burden shifts down.
It’s not like the government is borrowing more than expected.
chiefdave
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Is he not from Rajasthan? Don't tell me IPL cricket commentators have been lying to me!!!
duffer
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There's a lot of truth there, so fair play for your honesty (though I think even then we knew the P word was wrong, and I don't remember that one being thrown around too much at school at least).
I think the point was that Farage is accused of directing this sort of stuff at individuals, by the affected parties. So it goes beyond it just being an outdated figure of speech, casually used.
Rather than just trying to deflect, I'd think slightly more of him if he offered an honest apology. I don't think that's in his nature though.
I'd be surprised if there's a person here who hasn't said or done something wrong in their younger days - the more important thing (imho), is to accept it and learn from it.
fernandopartridge
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How much tax did he pay as an individual as somebody non domiciled for tax purposes? That's the only relevant point. His company's UK subsidiary paid £1.3m in income tax last year, its ultimate parent is based in Luxembourg. Off he goes to Dubai
Mucca Mad Boys
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Right, who’s making up that £1.3m in income tax? That really wasn’t the slam dunk you think it is.How much tax did he pay as an individual as somebody non domiciled for tax purposes? That's the only relevant point. His company's UK subsidiary paid £1.3m in income tax last year, its ultimate parent is based in Luxembourg. Off he goes to Dubai
fernandopartridge
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Why should somebody living in the UK, inheriting a mass fortune whether generated in the UK or otherwise, be subject to different rules to somebody living in the UK inheriting a mass fortunate generated solely in the UK?
fernandopartridge
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It's £1.3m of corporation tax you nause - it'll still be paid next year when it is due
Mucca Mad Boys
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Then why bother bringing it up? One high net worth individual is worth thousands of lower income tax payers.
By all means pursue the ‘soak the rich’ policies you want, our tax regime is heavily reliant on a small % of taxpayers so the more of them that leave, the burden gets shifted down.
At first, people denied there was an exodus of high earners leaving. Then, they said they don’t care if they leave…
fernandopartridge
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If you'd read any of my posts closely I don't agree with the premise that public spending needs to be funded by taxing the rich.
fernandopartridge
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Anyway, yet more of Rachel Reeves trying behave like Thatcher (the share owning democracy)
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She is suggesting business investment is dependent on people buying shares - this has surely been disproved by the lack of relationship between the growth of e.g. the FTSE index and company investment.
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She is suggesting business investment is dependent on people buying shares - this has surely been disproved by the lack of relationship between the growth of e.g. the FTSE index and company investment.
duffer
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Not sure if this counts as a Nazi song, but I do remember singing this one:
Hitler, has only got one ball
The other is in the Albert Hall
His mother, the dirty bugger,
Chopped it off when he was small
The alternate version is...
Hitler, has only got one ball,
Goering's, got two but very small,
Himmler, has something similar,
But poor old Goebbels, has no balls, at all.
How does this stuff stay in your head?! Anyhow, turns out that the song was probably correct...
Hitler DNA analysis reveals he had hidden disorder affecting sex organs
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rob9872
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And yet I sometimes wonder why I'm in a room, but useless stuff like that from 40 years ago, no problem!The alternate version is...
Hitler, has only got one ball,
Goering's, got two but very small,
Himmler, has something similar,
But poor old Goebbels, has no balls, at all.
How does this stuff stay in your head?! Anyhow, turns out that the song was probably correct...
Hitler DNA analysis reveals he had hidden disorder affecting sex organs
Brighton Sky Blue
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State of this
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Farmer Jim
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It`s the same in some parts of Yorkshire and the North East.
My missus`s family are from Yorkshire and you have to sit there and bite your tongue a lot of the time, as they genuinely don`t think they`re using racist terms.
The term " coloured " is still very prevalent too.
rob9872
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Half-caste instead of mixed-race is the one I hear most often as outdated language I'd say, although I tend not to call stuff like that out in the way I would hatred type or targeted racism, as I believe things like that are more misguided and not said with any malice.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Reminds me of the David Brent ‘Dambusters’ scene: ‘It was before racism was bad’
duffer
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Have you seen that Christopher Nolan film, Memento, where the protagonist has lost the ability to form new memories and has to tattoo important information onto himself?
I'm getting a bit like that now.
I think I need something tattooed on the back of my hand like, "You've left your glasses in the kitchen again, you daft twat!".
and the south west
Have you seen that Christopher Nolan film, Memento, where the protagonist has lost the ability to form new memories and has to tattoo important information onto himself?
I'm getting a bit like that now.
I think I need something tattooed on the back of my hand like, "You've left your glasses in the kitchen again, you daft twat!".
Great film
Sky Blue Pete
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He still believes most of what he said it’s the problem and many of his followers want him to speak his mind and give permission for them to do so also