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[Brighton Sky Blue]

They are the epitome of a protest vote

This is the party where Liz Truss and Zach Polanski lost their political virginity - they are a total joke

That still doesn’t tell me why the party led by Kemi Badenoch is going to rack up votes at their expense. Badenoch is probably even more useless than Starmer and less mentally stable

 

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[Grendel]

That still doesn’t tell me why the party led by Kemi Badenoch is going to rack up votes at their expense. Badenoch is probably even more useless than Starmer and less mentally stable

Because they stand for nothing and have been completely invisible in parliament

 

[rob9872]

I would be ok with a Lab-Lib coalition, the Lib Dem’s hold a substantial number of seats and do better in rural middle England than Labour or Reform will.

Sorry yes, coalition was the wrong word, probably more leaving each other alone I mean. I suspect the Tories would want to remain 2nd to have a chance of coming back in the future. From the Labour perspective a weak Tory vote in opposition probably better than a strong Reform one who would be hell in opposition to them.

I appreciate they've spent decades hating each other but they all like to stay on the gravy train too.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because they stand for nothing and have been completely invisible in parliament

What does the current Conservative Party stand for in your view?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sorry yes, coalition was the wrong word, probably more leaving each other alone I mean. I suspect the Tories would want to remain 2nd to have a chance of coming back in the future. From the Labour perspective a weak Tory vote in opposition probably better than a strong Reform one who would be hell in opposition to them.

I appreciate they've spent decades hating each other but they all like to stay on the gravy train too.

On the contrary I expect that Farage will make a pact with the Tories so that they can prop up a Reform government if he needs the votes. I have zero faith in Labour to turn this around, and in fact will probably be wiped off the map.

Which leaves there being basically no chance of my preferred policies being implemented for a long time. A grim prospect

 

[rob9872]

On the contrary I expect that Farage will make a pact with the Tories so that they can prop up a Reform government if he needs the votes. I have zero faith in Labour to turn this around, and in fact will probably be wiped off the map.

Which leaves there being basically no chance of my preferred policies being implemented for a long time. A grim prospect

Equally if they prop up Reform they will be completely finished in the eyes of their core voters imo

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Equally if they prop up Reform they will be completely finished in the eyes of their core voters imo

The people who somehow still voted for them last year aren’t going to switch regardless of that I think. I spoke to a few from Stratford who accepted that the party needed removing from government but would still vote Tory anyway.

 

[rob9872]

I know the question was to Grendel not me, but for me their core hasn't moved. It's still about free enterprise, law & order, low taxes, rewarding hard work.

Things they've promised like border controls being tighter etc is just noise but again would be a reason to stick with them if they have a genuine plan. They're also more pro- Royal than any other party which aligns with me, but I know doesn't with you.

 

[rob9872]

The people who somehow still voted for them last year aren’t going to switch regardless of that I think. I spoke to a few from Stratford who accepted that the party needed removing from government but would still vote Tory anyway.

That was me too, but only for lack of credible alternative. I still feel the same on a further sinking ship.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I know the question was to Grendel not me, but for me their core hasn't moved. It's still about free enterprise, law & order, low taxes, rewarding hard work.

Things they've promised like border controls being tighter etc is just noise but again would be a reason to stick with them if they have a genuine plan. They're also more pro- Royal than any other party which aligns with me, but I know doesn't with you.

I would strongly disagree that they actually represent any of those four attributes to be honest, but respect that’s how you see them.

Said before I identify more British than English and I think their party has done huge and possibly irreversible damage to the Union courtesy of Brexit and their treatment of Northern Ireland, which is hugely ironic given they stand as ‘Conservative and Unionist’. Longer term Maggie Thatcher set Scotland on the road to where it is now.

 

[chiefdave]

I would strongly disagree that they actually represent any of those four attributes to be honest

Probably works with a slight modification. free enterprise, ignore law & order, low taxes for our mates, rewarding the rich for other peoples hard work

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Don’t see why, Ed Davey comes across far saner than Badenoch

Kemi will be deported surely

 

[rob9872]

I would strongly disagree that they actually represent any of those four attributes to be honest, but respect that’s how you see them.

Said before I identify more British than English and I think their party has done huge and possibly irreversible damage to the Union courtesy of Brexit and their treatment of Northern Ireland, which is hugely ironic given they stand as ‘Conservative and Unionist’. Longer term Maggie Thatcher set Scotland on the road to where it is now.

Given you a like for the respect, although respectfully I think we'll agree to disagree on this

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Kemi will be deported surely

I’m not being mean @rob9872 second generation that’s the level now I think

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Given you a like for the respect, although respectfully I think we'll agree to disagree on this

I agree that we will disagree!

 

[ccfcno9]

How damaged are the BBC if it's factual as reported that they doctored Trump speech to make it seem he was encouraging capital riot as reported in the Telegraph for Panarama program ?

 

[Marty]

I’m not being mean @rob9872 second generation that’s the level now I think

Take no chances, should be at least 3rd.

 

[SBAndy]

That was me too, but only for lack of credible alternative. I still feel the same on a further sinking ship.

I suppose you’re the guinea pig for your own question then: if the Tories propped up a Reform government would you consider voting for them again in the future?

 

[rob9872]

I suppose you’re the guinea pig for your own question then: if the Tories propped up a Reform government would you consider voting for them again in the future?

Fair question and not one I have an answer to. Easy for me to say no chance now, when it came round to it, I just don't know.

 

[Grendel]

It seems Rachel’s manifesto commitment has vanished

Chancellor refuses to rule out hiking tax in Budget - live

Chancellor breaks cover to set out Budget priorities in unusual move

www.independent.co.uk

 

[mmttww]

Rachel’s manifesto commitment has vanished

Backing themselves into that corner was dumb.

Edit: anyone notice how her voice is weirdly similar (read: irritating) to Starmer's? It shouldn't matter, but...

 

[rob9872]

Backing themselves into that corner was dumb.

Edit: anyone notice how her voice is weirdly similar (read: irritating) to Starmer's? It shouldn't matter, but...

Ask her to say 'Coventry'

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Rachel Reeves has been a disaster chancellor, she’s done. She’ll be asked to make more difficult decisions that would break a manifesto pledge, such as increasing VAT, income tax and/or NI and then get the sack down the line.

She undermined confidence in the economy before the budget by talking down the inheritance from the Tories. The budget itself was a disaster, with the employer NI increases, closing of non-dom status has pushed wealth creators out of the country and undermined private sector investment by taxing jobs. Played fast and loose with the ‘fiscal headroom’ with large increases in borrowing for things like in public sector pay… we’ve ended up borrowing more than expected because tax receipts are less than forecasted (shock) and debt costs are increasing and gilt yields have surpassed the high point when Truss ‘crashed the economy’.

Hence we have a Chancellor scrambling for pennies on the pound and a ‘Spring Statement’ that is another Budget in all but name to correct course. This is pretty unprecedented.

To be a broken record on this, the implications for Liz Truss ‘crashing the economy’ over £45bn of tax cuts, was that a Labour government wasn’t going to be able to come in and make ‘unfunded’ spending commitments.

Bump, Labour appear to planning their manifesto pledge on income tax…

Reform’s prediction of a 2027 GE doesn’t look so far fetched now.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Bump, Labour appear to planning their manifesto pledge on income tax…

Reform’s prediction of a 2027 GE doesn’t look so far fetched now.

No chance

 

[Grendel]

No chance

No but Reeves will have to go if she does increase taxes

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Bump, Labour appear to planning their manifesto pledge on income tax…

Reform’s prediction of a 2027 GE doesn’t look so far fetched now.

Not happening.

 

[PVA]

Tories broke the same 'no tax rises' pledge just a few years ago.

I don't know why parties continually make such a promise, always comes back to bite you.

Of course it's much more of an issue when this government does it

 

[Grendel]

Tories broke the same 'no tax rises' pledge just a few years ago.

I don't know why parties continually make such a promise, always comes back to bite you.

Of course it's much more of an issue when this government does it

Well no that’s just rubbish. Major broke his VAT commitment and it bought him down. This was THE election commitment as all opposition parties said Labour increase taxes.

She’s utter shite and needs getting rid of

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Not happening.

Unless some unforeseeable circumstances, this Labour government is going the exact same way as the 1970s.

It’s pushed up public spending, followed it up with tax rises and at some point will be forced into cutting spending and very much doubt Labour MPs would support that.

This government won’t bumble on as is until 2029, not happening. We’re witnessing a slow motion car crash.

On a slightly separate point, Labour’s reasoning in raising public spending on public sector pay was to stop strikes and increase public sector productivity… that has failed at an enormous cost.

No doubt the usual excuses will come my way.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Unless some unforeseeable circumstances, this Labour government is going the exact same way as the 1970s.

It’s pushed up public spending, followed it up with tax rises and at some point will be forced into cutting spending and very much doubt Labour MPs would support that.

This government won’t bumble on as is until 2029, not happening. We’re witnessing a slow motion car crash.

On a slightly separate point, Labour’s reasoning in raising public spending on public sector pay was to stop strikes and increase public sector productivity… that has failed at an enormous cost.

No doubt the usual excuses will come my way.

Evidence?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Evidence?

For the future?

Look at Healy’s tenure as Chancellor 1974-79 under Wilson/Callaghan. The parallels are there to see.

 

[Captain Dart]

Not happening.

Want a bet?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Want a bet?

Yep

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Tommys case dismissed
Is this two tier or is this ok?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Unless some unforeseeable circumstances, this Labour government is going the exact same way as the 1970s.

It’s pushed up public spending, followed it up with tax rises and at some point will be forced into cutting spending and very much doubt Labour MPs would support that.

This government won’t bumble on as is until 2029, not happening. We’re witnessing a slow motion car crash.

On a slightly separate point, Labour’s reasoning in raising public spending on public sector pay was to stop strikes and increase public sector productivity… that has failed at an enormous cost.

No doubt the usual excuses will come my way.

That Labour government was brought down by Parliament, this one with such a big majority would need to be brought down by its own MPs. Not happening.

We need to focus on giving Labour at least a full term to sort their shit out, considering how long we gave their predecessors. I say it in blind hope rather than expectation as I can’t underscore enough how much of a disaster a Reform government will be.