Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

[Grendel]

What has he said that makes him a lunatic out of curiosity

Discounting his curious past he has zero interest in safe places for women and suggests more NHS resources should be ploughed into more gender reassignment and all requests should be honoured and paid by the tax payer.

 

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[Nuskyblue]

And just to underline how fucked the Tories are:

Christ almighty they are absolutely cooked.

They look like tiles on Guess Who: The Oddball Edition.

 

[rob9872]

All bases covered here. Coming to a march or festival near you soon, no soap required.

 

[oscillatewildly]

What has he said that makes him a lunatic out of curiosity

He’s embraced the ‘title’ of ‘eco populism’. - That set alarm bells ringing for a start.
One of his ‘manifesto’ pieces was his desire for legalising ALL drugs.
He has a dubious past with a side hustle involving breast enlargement.
*That’s hypnotic breast enlargement.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

He’s embraced the ‘title’ of ‘eco populism’. - That set alarm bells ringing for a start.
One of his ‘manifesto’ pieces was his desire for legalising ALL drugs.
He has a dubious past with a side hustle involving breast enlargement.

Wants bigger boobs in the UK, he's alright by me!

 

[chiefdave]

What if they were Nazi flags? Or pro IRA? Would your stance be the same? If you’re consistent I have no issue, but the police have no choice to decide which laws they agree with.

You've kind of proved the point you're arguing against here. If you decided to walk down the street with a Nazi flag you'd be fine, there's no law against that unless police decided to act under hate crime legislation.

Here's a photo from an IRA parade in the UK in April this year. The only arrests came when they started petrol bombing police. There's also no action taken when loyalist paramilitary flags, mainly in support of the UDA, are flown.



As for the idea that the police have no choice other than to arrest people at Palestine protests how do you explain the fact that in some areas the police have been instructed to not arrest people as its a complete waste of time and resources?

 

[oscillatewildly]

Wants bigger boobs in the UK, he's alright by me!

There are too many enormous tits in that crooked house already.

 

[chiefdave]

And just to underline how fucked the Tories are:

Christ almighty they are absolutely cooked.

They're going to end up having some sort of merger with Reform aren't they. If they can mange to stay relevant enough that Reform are even interested in that.

The idea that the Tory party would be killed off by Brexit seemed complete fantasy a few years back but you look at the election result, current polling and the state of their conference and do wonder what comes next.

 

[LarryGrayson]

It's not that difficult.

Charge those that broke into the airbase and damaged military equipment to the full extent of the law because it's likely to lead to a conviction and send a message about doing that.

Don't charge those that go around waving a flag and saying they support Palestine Action because it's going to take up a huge amount of police time and resources and very unlikely to end up in prosecution. And even if it did what purpose would putting those people in jail (and the costs involved with that) serve?

full force of law is terrorism charges even if not a terror org Stansted 15 convictions a ‘crushing blow for human rights in UK’

 

[rob9872]

You've kind of proved the point you're arguing against here. If you decided to walk down the street with a Nazi flag you'd be fine, there's no law against that unless police decided to act under hate crime legislation.

Here's a photo from an IRA parade in the UK in April this year. The only arrests came when they started petrol bombing police. There's also no action taken when loyalist paramilitary flags, mainly in support of the UDA, are flown.

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As for the idea that the police have no choice other than to arrest people at Palestine protests how do you explain the fact that in some areas the police have been instructed to not arrest people as its a complete waste of time and resources?

When you say UK< I assume this is NI, would be quite a thing to stop it there as with the other marches and after years of war it's the right thing to do. I'm guessing it doesnt happen in Birmingham.

As for the police not using their powers is that confirmed? If it is and they're not carrying out their duties, I'm sure there will be consequnces.

 

[chiefdave]

As for the police not using their powers is that confirmed? If it is and they're not carrying out their duties, I'm sure there will be consequnces.

Yes it was confirmed by at least one constabulary, Devon & Cornwall I think it was. There will not be any consequences at all, the police routinely make decisions about what to prioritise and there are never any consequences.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It's not that difficult.

Charge those that broke into the airbase and damaged military equipment to the full extent of the law because it's likely to lead to a conviction and send a message about doing that.

Don't charge those that go around waving a flag and saying they support Palestine Action because it's going to take up a huge amount of police time and resources and very unlikely to end up in prosecution. And even if it did what purpose would putting those people in jail (and the costs involved with that) serve?

What you are saying is we should give in and let them do what they want because it is easier, but you are only really saying that because you sympathise with this organisation. Just because some members of it are more peaceful than others, doesn't mean you should just turn a blind eye, otherwise where does it end? The bar has already been set by breaking into an airbase.

Yes, it is not that difficult, but you aren't getting it. There are many ways to support the people of Palestine without joining a terrorist group.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You've kind of proved the point you're arguing against here. If you decided to walk down the street with a Nazi flag you'd be fine, there's no law against that unless police decided to act under hate crime legislation.

Here's a photo from an IRA parade in the UK in April this year. The only arrests came when they started petrol bombing police. There's also no action taken when loyalist paramilitary flags, mainly in support of the UDA, are flown.

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As for the idea that the police have no choice other than to arrest people at Palestine protests how do you explain the fact that in some areas the police have been instructed to not arrest people as its a complete waste of time and resources?

Yes, we know the government don't keep a level playing field, but none of you have ever said anything before. Why are you constantly excusing Palestine Action, a terrorist organisation?

It's really odd.

 

[chiefdave]

Yes, we know the government don't keep a level playing field, but none of you have ever said anything before. Why are you constantly excusing Palestine Action, a terrorist organisation?

It's really odd.

Its really not. Happy to defend anyones right to protest. What other groups do you feel have been added to the proscribed terrorist organisation list that you feel shouldn't be on there?

 

[mmttww]

his desire for legalising ALL drugs..

Evidence says it works, so I'd consider voting for someone who was genuine and serious about it

 

[SBT]

Yes, we know the government don't keep a level playing field, but none of you have ever said anything before. Why are you constantly excusing Palestine Action, a terrorist organisation?

It's really odd.

Even if you disagree with Palestine Action’s methods (as I do!) and want to see them all behind bars, surely you can appreciate the argument that proscribing them has been a major tactical error from the government, given that public support for them has ballooned?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Its really not. Happy to defend anyones right to protest. What other groups do you feel have been added to the proscribed terrorist organisation list that you feel shouldn't be on there?

Stop moving the goalposts and trying to mud the waters. I am not talking specifically about what is or is not on a list.

You are defending a terrorist organisation, who have been proscribed as such, for actions that include breaking into an air force base and damaging aircraft. It is fucking weird.

If you want to support the people of Palestine, there are other ways to do it.

 

[rob9872]

Not worth arguing about anyway now that they're no longer required. Well played Donald. If you can sort Russia next and then change the rules so that you can have a 3rd term in office.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You do seem to get very triggered by certain things don’t you?

I think the day I can’t keep up with a 5th rate journalist really would be a time to call it a day.

You seem to be going the same way as poor old @shmmeee who seems too embarrassed to post anymore.

Tbf, when everything you've argued for turns to shit, its a good time to call a time out.

The only people I feel more sorry are the delegates at the Labour Conference who looked into the camera and rated this Government anything above a 'solid 7'.

Anyone who believed Truss cutting taxes 'crashed the economy' wasn't really paying attention. The reality is that the chickens are coming to roost for countries with 'unsustainable' debt to GDP ratios.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Its point is to stop illegal migration it seems. Hows that going to work? Sounds expensive as well.

We already have NI cards... Digital ID cards are a trojan horse and frankly, its implementation should be resisted.

The temerity of the Labour Party to bring this whilst calling voter ID requirements 'racist' is astounding.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

According to this fucking clown you can’t be born a man or woman, he’s a freak and weirdos on here will actually vote for him

 

[rob9872]

According to this fucking clown you can’t be born a man or woman, he’s a freak and weirdos on here will actually vote for him

I saw a post from science which really sums it up.

Send 100 men and 100 women to a desert island to restart humanity and in 100 years there will be a thriving community of men, women boys and girls.

Send 100 men and 100 Trans women to a deserted island and in a 100 years there will be 200 male skeletons.

 

[chiefdave]

Evidence says it works, so I'd consider voting for someone who was genuine and serious about it

I don't think its anything remotely close to a fully formed manifesto commitment but its already got people screaming 'he wants to legalise heroin'.

Reminds me of when the Cameron government commissioned one of the biggest reports into the effects of drugs in this country and then when the report came back and didn't say what they wanted not only did they completely ignore it they sacked the bloke in charge!

What he appears to have said, at least from the interview clips I have seen, is that the 'war on drugs' isn't working, and has never worked and that it needs a different approach. That decriminalisation of drugs would increase tax revenues which can then fund the treatment. This is the same system we use for tobacco and alcohol.

Not sure anyone could put together an argument that the war on drugs is working. At least not one that stands up to any scrutiny.

 

[chiefdave]

Stop moving the goalposts and trying to mud the waters. I am not talking specifically about what is or is not on a list.

You are defending a terrorist organisation, who have been proscribed as such, for actions that include breaking into an air force base and damaging aircraft. It is fucking weird.

If you want to support the people of Palestine, there are other ways to do it.

Not at all. You can't use 'none of you have ever said anything before' as an argument and then claim a request to name any groups on the terror list who are equivalent to PA that we should have been speaking about is moving the goalposts.

We literally had to change the definition of terrorism for this to even be possible. Now we have a different definition of terrorism to the rest of the world. Surely you can see how crazy that is.

 

[Grendel]

Oh in an interview another Polanski gen was if people need food let them shoplift

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Oh in an interview another Polanski gen was if people need food let them shoplift

Biggest weirdo I’ve ever seen

 

[mmttww]

Biggest weirdo I’ve ever seen

 

[rob9872]

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Errr ... now then, now then anyone?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Not at all. You can't use 'none of you have ever said anything before' as an argument and then claim a request to name any groups on the terror list who are equivalent to PA that we should have been speaking about is moving the goalposts.

We literally had to change the definition of terrorism for this to even be possible. Now we have a different definition of terrorism to the rest of the world. Surely you can see how crazy that is.

I am not talking about groups specifically on terrorist lists. I am talking about Government overreach in general. Regardless of you deliberately attempting to play strawman, the main point is that you are making excuses for a group that is a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Breaking into an air base and damaging military aircraft with political motivations has been deemed, and rightly so, an activity that would be seen as terrorism. It isn't crazy at all, and I don't give a fuck how hard you try with the mental gymnastics to argue definitions or process with the aim of excusing it/defending them. It is wrong, and they are clearly are a problematic group.

If you want to support the people of Palestine, there are ways to do it without supporting a terrorist organisation. Why would you even want to attach yourself to that label of such a group anyway? This whole victimhood act around it has frankly become embarrassing.

 

[mmttww]

It's a bit odd to me that folks who talk about Labour and Starmer as a disaster about basically everything also think they're bang on it when they listed PA.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It's a bit odd to me that folks who talk about Labour and Starmer as a disaster about basically everything also think they're bang on it when they listed PA.

They are wrong on nearly everything.

Coming down hard on a group that breaks into airbases and causes millions of pounds of damages to aircraft isn't one of them, however.

Broken clocks, probably.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Evidence says it works, so I'd consider voting for someone who was genuine and serious about it

Evidence?

 

[wingy]

Has anyone listed the damage and the expense,is that information available, grossly exaggerated, more the use of kit Will be behind the reaction of the government to not disturb their activities in overflying the territory of?

 

[chiefdave]

Has anyone listed the damage and the expense,is that information available, grossly exaggerated, more the use of kit Will be behind the reaction of the government to not disturb their activities in overflying the territory of?

Well sort of but it was a comical example of the way the whole thing has been treated. When it first occurred a figure of £7m was first put forward by government officials. This was immediately queried given that other similar protests using paint come in at a damage figure of around £10K.

It was questioned what was being factored in to arrive at that figure, there was speculation that abstract things like operational costs had been factored in which doesn't usually happened. Of course it didn't help when there was a refusal to give any clarification on how it had been calculated.

Then to add to the comical nature of the claims the amount claimed was increasing almost by the day until officials were talking about £30m damage or even the plane having to be scrapped completely.

Also worth nothing when 'damage to property is terrorism' is thrown around

Following the vote in the House of Commons held on 3 July 2025, Palestine Action has been officially proscribed as a terrorist organisation under the UK’s Terrorism Act 2000. This brings the total number of proscribed groups in the UK to 84, however experts warn that Palestine Action is the only one proscribed on the basis of violence against property.

While “serious damage to property” is one of the subclauses of Section 1 of Terrorism Act 2000, no other organisation was previously proscribed just due to the extent of damage to property, making this interpretation of the Terrorism Act a “dangerous precedent” according to some experts. Moreover, the application of this clause on Palestine Action likely goes beyond the legislator’s intent: during a parliamentary debate preceding the adoption of the updated Terrorism Act 2006, then Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, assured the MPs who were concerned about the clause being used on anti-war activists who target military infrastructure that the clause on damaging property should not apply to “direct action”.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What you are saying is we should give in and let them do what they want because it is easier, but you are only really saying that because you sympathise with this organisation. Just because some members of it are more peaceful than others, doesn't mean you should just turn a blind eye, otherwise where does it end? The bar has already been set by breaking into an airbase.

Yes, it is not that difficult, but you aren't getting it. There are many ways to support the people of Palestine without joining a terrorist group.

And there are many ways to punish those that broke into the airbase without trying to futilely arrest and jail completely different people holding a flag.

And it's got nothing to do with sympathy for the organisation - I don't sympathise with PA. The fact that sympathy for them increased afterwards tells you what a stupid idea it was to proscribe them. Deal with those that cause damage, put others off from doing so and let people demonstrate if they want to. I wouldn't have agreed with random people in MAGA hats and shouting 'Stop the Steal' being arrested just because others in the same group stormed the Capitol. And regardless of them being legally proscribed as a terrorist group, that was terrorism.

We've been having these conversations for ages. We had arguments about treating JSO, Greenpeace etc as 'terrorist organisations'. The Suffragettes were way worse than any of those for direct action so I guess you think anyone who shows any support or sympathy for the Suffragette movement should be locked up because they're supporting terrorists?