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DT-R

DT-R

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Sick Boy said:
Probably yes...as have many other nationalities.
Any evidence yet that they've been eating swans?
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No ive got no evidence, but i havent said that swans are being eaten. Again, show me where ive said swans are being eaten? Ill wait........


And "probably, yes" is that a yes or a no? I assume its a yes. But you just can't admit to being wrong.

So 50% of what you believed to be a lie or "fake, peddled, bullshit" this morning, is actually true. So why immediately bat the other 50% off as bullshit without even questioning it?


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Marty

Marty

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chiefdave said:
Is that not the EU Settlement Scheme which is now closed?
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Potentially. I'm just talking from experience, but like with everything, schemes are set up, law changes etc etc. so it's possibly completely different to what we had to do.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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DT-R said:
No ive got no evidence, but i havent said that swans are being eaten. Again, show me where ive said swans are being eaten? Ill wait........


And "probably, yes" is that a yes or a no? I assume its a yes. But you just can't admit to being wrong.

So 50% of what you believed to be a lie or "fake, peddled, bullshit" this morning, is actually true. So why immediately bat the other 50% off as bullshit without even questioning it?


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Fucking hell. I’ve said multiple times I was talking about the claims about eastern Europeans eating swans not carp.
 
DT-R

DT-R

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Sick Boy said:
Fucking hell. I’ve said multiple times I was talking about the claims about eastern Europeans eating swans not carp.
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But classed it as the same bullshit that was spread 20 years ago. And like ive said, that has proven to be true. So if that is true, why do you immediately claim the swan thing to be fake? Without at the very least, questioning it?

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wingy

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DT-R said:
But classed it as the same bullshit that was spread 20 years ago. And like ive said, that has proven to be true. So if that is true, why do you immediately claim the swan thing to be fake? Without at the very least, questioning it?

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What about down the swanwell probably not so well.
 
Brighton Sky Blue

Brighton Sky Blue

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DT-R said:
But classed it as the same bullshit that was spread 20 years ago. And like ive said, that has proven to be true. So if that is true, why do you immediately claim the swan thing to be fake? Without at the very least, questioning it?

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Provide evidence that it isn’t or quit going on about it.
 
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SBT

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DT-R said:
But classed it as the same bullshit that was spread 20 years ago. And like ive said, that has proven to be true. So if that is true, why do you immediately claim the swan thing to be fake? Without at the very least, questioning it?

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All this carping on is very becoming very tedious.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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DT-R said:
But classed it as the same bullshit that was spread 20 years ago. And like ive said, that has proven to be true. So if that is true, why do you immediately claim the swan thing to be fake? Without at the very least, questioning it?

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I didn’t because I wasn’t ever talking about carp. I was talking about people from Eastern Europe eating swans, which I think is bullshit and is the same bullshit that was said 20 years ago.
 
DT-R

DT-R

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Provide evidence that it isn’t or quit going on about it.
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10 years ago somebody announced that Lithuanians were eating carp. Immediately, people (probably sick boy) jumped to their defence and said "absolutely not, never, barbaric, its simply not true"! Guess what? It was true, and those people are still in denial and denying it ever happened.

Fast forward 10 years, Farage says, they're at it again, this time with swans. And the same people (sick boy) immediately jump to their defence and says "absolutely not, never, barbaric, its simply not true"! Is history about to repeat itself? Maybe in 10 years' time, we can revisit this and find out.

10 years ago, people like me that spoke out about #CarpGate, were told to "provide evidence or quit going on about it"! Now we're questioning #SwanGate, we've got the same people with the same retorts! Ive got no evidence of #SwanGate, nor have I said its actually happening. But as history has proven before, I wouldn't in the slightest be surprised if it is happening



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SkyBlueDom26

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Sick Boy said:
I think it's time to paint the swans with the cross of St George to protect them from those pesky Eastern Europeans.
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You just stick to Italy mr super moderator, bellend. You are so arrogant it’s actually laughable, the loudest ones on here are definitely the most quiet in the real world.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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DT-R said:
10 years ago somebody announced that Lithuanians were eating carp. Immediately, people (probably sick boy) jumped to their defence and said "absolutely not, never, barbaric, its simply not true"! Guess what? It was true, and those people are still in denial and denying it ever happened.

Fast forward 10 years, Farage says, they're at it again, this time with swans. And the same people (sick boy) immediately jump to their defence and says "absolutely not, never, barbaric, its simply not true"! Is history about to repeat itself? Maybe in 10 years' time, we can revisit this and find out.

10 years ago, people like me that spoke out about #CarpGate, were told to "provide evidence or quit going on about it"! Now we're questioning #SwanGate, we've got the same people with the same retorts! Ive got no evidence of #SwanGate, nor have I said its actually happening. But as history has proven before, I wouldn't in the slightest be surprised if it is happening



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Resorting to making stuff up now then.
 
Brighton Sky Blue

Brighton Sky Blue

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DT-R said:
10 years ago somebody announced that Lithuanians were eating carp. Immediately, people (probably sick boy) jumped to their defence and said "absolutely not, never, barbaric, its simply not true"! Guess what? It was true, and those people are still in denial and denying it ever happened.

Fast forward 10 years, Farage says, they're at it again, this time with swans. And the same people (sick boy) immediately jump to their defence and says "absolutely not, never, barbaric, its simply not true"! Is history about to repeat itself? Maybe in 10 years' time, we can revisit this and find out.

10 years ago, people like me that spoke out about #CarpGate, were told to "provide evidence or quit going on about it"! Now we're questioning #SwanGate, we've got the same people with the same retorts! Ive got no evidence of #SwanGate, nor have I said its actually happening. But as history has proven before, I wouldn't in the slightest be surprised if it is happening



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No, all Farage has done is look at what Trump did last year. Think about a lie that your support will probably believe, then spread it as fact.

You falling for it, but not quite being brave enough to admit as much, is proof his gamble has paid off.
 
DT-R

DT-R

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
No, all Farage has done is look at what Trump did last year. Think about a lie that your support will probably believe, then spread it as fact.

You falling for it, but not quite being brave enough to admit as much, is proof his gamble has paid off.
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So the same group that freely catch and eat carp, couldn't possibly catch and eat swans? Are they pescatarian? Fish only diet so swans are off the menu?

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DT-R

DT-R

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Again, what have I made up there? People denied #carpgate happening, it was proven to be true! What did i make up?

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Farmer Jim

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DT-R said:
So are you also denying that Eastern europeans catch and eat carp from fishing lakes?

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Mate, I have no dog in this fight, but my lad is a carp fisherman and he spends hundreds if not thousands of pounds on carp gear, spends whole weekends fishing for them and if he catches one he`s had a good weekend.

So based on this, I`d say that your average Eastern European lad, with his fishing kit, that he got for £20 from B&M, is highly unlikely to be catching any wild Carp out of a public lake ever, as it requires a lot of skill and a fair bit of luck too.

However, if he was to fish at a commercial carp fishery, as a poacher, he may have more chance, as a lot of them are pellet fed and used to people and not super wary like wild Carp.

The problem with poaching on a commercial lake, is that the owners tend to take an extremely dim view of anyone stealing their valuable fish and tend to have counter measures to protect them, like very aggressive guard dogs and even shotguns.

So I`d say on the balance of probabilities, it`s highly unlikely to be untrue.
 
DT-R

DT-R

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Farmer Jim said:
Mate, I have no dog in this fight, but my lad is a carp fisherman and he spends hundreds if not thousands of pounds on carp gear, spends whole weekends fishing for them and if he catches one he`s had a good weekend.

So based on this, I`d say that your average Eastern European lad, with his fishing kit, that he got for £20 from B&M, is highly unlikely to be catching any wild Carp out of a public lake ever, as it requires a lot of skill and a fair bit of luck too.

However, if he was to fish at a commercial carp fishery, as a poacher, he may have more chance, as a lot of them are pellet fed and used to people and not super wary like wild Carp.

The problem with poaching on a commercial lake, is that the owners tend to take an extremely dim view of anyone stealing their valuable fish and tend to have counter measures to protect them, like very aggressive guard dogs and even shotguns.

So I`d say on the balance of probabilities, it`s highly unlikely to be untrue.
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'My job is telling people from eastern Europe not to eat carp from UK rivers' - BBC News 'My job is telling people from eastern Europe not to eat carp from UK rivers' - BBC News

So the BBC went to all the effort of making a fictional news story, of a fictional bloke, doing his fictional job, stopping fictional Lithuanians from doing a fictional past time? Got ya!


Also, to assume your "average eastern european has a £20 b&m rod and can't catch fish" is a) very presumptions and b) slightly racist.
If you read the article, in Poland and Lithuania it is the done thing to catch and keep carp. Therefore, they've fished in their own countries before coming here. So to presume they can't fish or catch fish is a bit of a dinosaur view imo!
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Brighton Sky Blue

Brighton Sky Blue

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DT-R said:
So the same group that freely catch and eat carp, couldn't possibly catch and eat swans? Are they pescatarian? Fish only diet so swans are off the menu?

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Anyone can catch and eat a swan. Yet no evidence has been put forward that anyone has.

It’s almost like Farage, imitating his hero, has spread a lie to further demonise a certain demographic.
 
Farmer Jim

Farmer Jim

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DT-R said:
'My job is telling people from eastern Europe not to eat carp from UK rivers' - BBC News 'My job is telling people from eastern Europe not to eat carp from UK rivers' - BBC News

So the BBC went to all the effort of making a fictional news story, of a fictional bloke, doing his fictional job, stopping fictional Lithuanians from doing a fictional past time? Got ya!


Also, to assume your "average eastern european has a £20 b&m rod and can't catch fish" is a) very presumptions and b) slightly racist.
If you read the article, in Poland and Lithuania it is the done thing to catch and keep carp. Therefore, they've fished in their own countries before coming here. So to presume they can't fish or catch fish is a bit of a dinosaur view imo!
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It`s a little news story, that`s been turned into an urban myth mate.

I`m telling you as an experienced fisherman and the father of a Carp fishing fanatic, that wild carp are every bit as hard to catch in the UK as Trout and Salmon.

They`re naturally very wary, super fussy about what they eat, seem to only feed at certain times of the day, not feed at all during certain weather conditions and they get much more difficult to catch the bigger they get, as they just seem to become almost supernatural in their ability to detect when something is not right.

For instance, if you catch a very big wild Carp on a certain bait, the chances are that you will never ever catch that fish on that bait again, as they "learn " from getting caught and don`t make the same mistake twice.

This is why Carp fishing is so popular, fellas use almost NASA like technology as part of their fishing gear to catch them, as it`s a proper challenge even to catch a small one, let alone a thirty plus pounder.

I`m not saying that at some point Eastern European lads somewhere in the UK haven`t had a go at catching them, what I`m saying is that it`s highly unlikely that they ever caught any. ( unless they were experienced Carp fishermen )

It would be much cheaper and much easier just to buy one from a fishmonger.
 
Grendel

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DT-R said:
Again, what have I made up there? People denied #carpgate happening, it was proven to be true! What did i make up?

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Let’s be honest for a normally pretty skilled operator like Farage it was a pretty stupid thing to say.

It’s not that long ago people used to think Chinese takeaways stole cats to substitute for chicken.

He’s picked swan and not geese or duck as it’s got Royal protections

It’s a poor strategy and he needs to accept as such
 
DT-R

DT-R

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Farmer Jim said:
It`s a little news story, that`s been turned into an urban myth mate.

I`m telling you as an experienced fisherman and the father of a Carp fishing fanatic, that wild carp are every bit as hard to catch in the UK as Trout and Salmon.

They`re naturally very wary, super fussy about what they eat, seem to only feed at certain times of the day, not feed at all during certain weather conditions and they get much more difficult to catch the bigger they get, as they just seem to become almost supernatural in their ability to detect when something is not right.

For instance, if you catch a very big wild Carp on a certain bait, the chances are that you will never ever catch that fish on that bait again, as they "learn " from getting caught and don`t make the same mistake twice.

This is why Carp fishing is so popular, fellas use almost NASA like technology as part of their fishing gear to catch them, as it`s a proper challenge even to catch a small one, let alone a thirty plus pounder.

I`m not saying that at some point Eastern European lads somewhere in the UK haven`t had a go at catching them, what I`m saying is that it`s highly unlikely that they ever caught any. ( unless they were experienced Carp fishermen )

It would be much cheaper and much easier just to buy one from a fishmonger.
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Fair enough. We will have to beg to differ on this one.
"Small article blown out of proportion" or not, its clearly been an issue, otherwise why create a job and print information on leaflets teaching people its wrong, if people aren't doing it in the first place?

Thats like me creating a £40k a year job and putting all my weight behind somebody handing out leaflets at the CBS, to tell people that Grimes isnt a shit player, when not a single person thinks he is? It wouldn't make sense. If the job was created, there was clearly a need for it!

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