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[mmttww]

Starmer and Reeves branding Reform's policies 'racist' is depressing. If they haven't figured out by now that talking that way pushes people towards Reform and co. then they might be past saving.

 

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[SBAndy]

Starmer and Reeves branding Reform's policies 'racist' is depressing. If they haven't figured out by now that talking that way pushes people towards Reform and co. then they might be past saving.

Not least when they seem to be trying to emulate them!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My best man, who holds dual Iranian and British citizenship, is now seriously worried about having his British citizenship revoked if Reform get in.

You can sarcastically say ‘doctors and nurses’ but decent hardworking immigrants do not deserve this shite.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yep he spoke well of not very personably but he’s moving centre right and more rather than centre left

 

[Captain Dart]

Starmer and Reeves branding Reform's policies 'racist' is depressing. If they haven't figured out by now that talking that way pushes people towards Reform and co. then they might be past saving.

Feels like it's a planned takeover, Labour shooting themselves in the foot if not the head.

The last election felt the same when Reform split the centre/right vote so Labour were bound to get in.

 

[Marty]

Starmer and Reeves branding Reform's policies 'racist' is depressing. If they haven't figured out by now that talking that way pushes people towards Reform and co. then they might be past saving.

They're middle managers at best. Anyone with any sense would be able to mop up a generation of voters. But let's remember they only got in due to not being the Tories and reform splitting the vote.

 

[Grendel]

Starmer and Reeves branding Reform's policies 'racist' is depressing. If they haven't figured out by now that talking that way pushes people towards Reform and co. then they might be past saving.

Their own policy change seems very similar anyway

 

[DT-R]

I’m talking about eating swans and where did I call you names?

You clearly said it's the "same lazy bullshit that was peddled 20 years ago." Meaning it was bullshit 20 years ago, so it is bullshit now. Yet I just proven it wasn't bullshit 20 years ago..... so, therefore, I won't immediately write it off as bullshit now. Im not saying it is true, but im not saying it's not possible either. People, you included, said they weren't eating carp out of fishing lakes, hmyet they were.

What are you on about calling me names???

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[DT-R]

Starmer and Reeves branding Reform's policies 'racist' is depressing. If they haven't figured out by now that talking that way pushes people towards Reform and co. then they might be past saving.

This is what im saying @Sick Boy
I never said you called me names. I was merely saying that people walking around with blinkers on, denying facts, and calling people who are re-telling facts, liars or racist etc, are the exact people that'll get reform voted in. It happened once before with brexit. It'll happen again in 4 years' time in the GEs.

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[Sick Boy]

This is what im saying @Sick Boy
I never said you called me names. I was merely saying that people walking around with blinkers on, denying facts, and calling people who are re-telling facts, liers or racist etc, are the exact people that'll get reform voted in. It happened once before with brexit. It'll happen again in 4 years' time in the GEs.

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Do you actually have any evidence that Eastern Europeans are eating swans?

 

[Sick Boy]

You clearly said it's the "same lazy bullshit that was peddled 20 years ago." Meaning it was bullshit 20 years ago, so it is bullshit now. Yet I just proven it wasn't bullshit 20 years ago..... so, therefore, I won't immediately write it off as bullshit now. Im not saying it is true, but im not saying it's not possible either. People, you included, said they weren't eating carp out of fishing lakes, hmyet they were.

What are you on about calling me names???

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What? I said that I was talking about eating swans. The eating swans bullshit was the same crap peddled against the Poles 20 years ago.

 

[SBT]

Shabana Mahmood to demand migrants earn right to settled status

New tests will include learning English to a high standard, paying National Insurance and not claiming benefits.

www.bbc.co.uk

Having seen from various colleagues how hard it is to get indefinite leave to remain, I find it hard to believe that they are the group of migrants who most need clamping down on. You need to speak the language, have a job, do the citizenship test etc.

I’m sure there are people who want them out of the country anyway, but I somehow doubt they’re looking for an excuse to vote Labour at the next election.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Shabana Mahmood to demand migrants earn right to settled status

New tests will include learning English to a high standard, paying National Insurance and not claiming benefits.

www.bbc.co.uk

Having seen from various colleagues how hard it is to get indefinite leave to remain, I find it hard to believe that they are the group of migrants who most need clamping down on. You need to speak the language, have a job, do the citizenship test etc.

I’m sure there are people who want them out of the country anyway, but I somehow doubt they’re looking for an excuse to vote Labour at the next election.

I’m convinced that Labour is now just doing policy by media headline to try and win over right wing voters who will never vote for them anyway.

 

[DT-R]

What? I said that I was talking about eating swans. The eating swans bullshit was the same crap peddled against the Poles 20 years ago.

Exactly, look at your wording. Your exact words were.....

It’s the same lazy bullshit about people from Eastern Europe that was peddled 20 years.

So basically, it was bullshit spread 20 years ago (which I've given you facts and proof itwasn'tt), therefore,it'ss bullshit now.

It wasn't bullshit 20 years ago, though you can deny it all you like. I get you want to hate Farage/Reform. And i get, by admitting Eastern Europeans, DO eat carp out of fishing lakes (that again, I've backed up with fact based evidence) you also have to question that they MIGHT actually be eating swans too. You can't keep calling it "lazy, peddled, bullshit from 20 years ago, when 20 years ago, it wasn't lazy, peddled, bullshit. It was fact!

So, you didn't believe they were eating carp 20 years ago? You dont believe they're eating swans now? 1 of the 2 has already been proven and backed up as true. Which is why I said, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. But you'll still deny it as lazy, peddled, bullshit. Even if there was evidence!

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[Sick Boy]

Exactly, look at your wording. Your exact words were.....

It’s the same lazy bullshit about people from Eastern Europe that was peddled 20 years.

So basically, it was bullshit spread 20 years ago (which I've given you facts and proof itwasn'tt), therefore,it'ss bullshit now.

It wasn't bullshit 20 years ago, though you can deny it all you like. I get you want to hate Farage/Reform. And i get, by admitting Eastern Europeans, DO eat carp out of fishing lakes (that again, I've backed up with fact based evidence) you also have to question that they MIGHT actually be eating swans too. You can't keep calling it "lazy, peddled, bullshit from 20 years ago, when 20 years ago, it wasn't lazy, peddled, bullshit. It was fact!

So, you didn't believe they were eating carp 20 years ago? You dont believe they're eating swans now? 1 of the 2 has already been proven and backed up as true. Which is why I said, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. But you'll still deny it as lazy, peddled, bullshit. Even if there was evidence!

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At this point I'll presume you're on the wind up as I've said multiple times that I am talking about the claims around eating swans.

Can you post FACTS/evidence that shows people from eastern Europe were eating swans 20 years ago and/or are now?

 

[DT-R]

At this point I'll presume you're on the wind up as I've said multiple times that I am talking about the claims around eating swans.

Then choose your wording better. You can't lump them in the same arguments as bullshit when 1 clearly wasn't. Im not on the wind up. I just want to know, do you agree that Eastern europeans eat carp from lakes? Or was it lazy, peddled, bullshit, the same as #SwanGate?

Come on, dont be a politician and avoid it. Yes, or no! Do you agree, it WASNT bullshit 2p years ago and they eat carp out of fishing lakes?

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[DT-R]

At this point I'll presume you're on the wind up as I've said multiple times that I am talking about the claims around eating swans.

Can you post FACTS/evidence that shows people from eastern Europe were eating swans 20 years ago and/or are now?

I've never once said that they are eating swans! Point me to anywhere I've said they're eating swans?

I've said multiple times, they eat carp (which I've given you evidence to prove), and therefore, I wouldn't be the slightest surprised if they also eat swans and geese. I've not said anywhere that they are. I've not said they are as a fact!

In reply, you denied #SwanGate as "the same, lazy, peddled, bullshit from 20 years ago"! Which I've proven wasn't lazy bullshit, but in fact, TRUE! All im saying is it wouldn't be a surprise if it were to be true!

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[chiefdave]

There's a thing that troubles me here and that as you know is buy to let or HMO's they bring nothing good to a community,and the idea that it is a business model to base our economy around is frankly a blocking of any aspirations of owning your own sorry and all that but it's exploitation pure and simple unless they have a charter that they only ask £50+to £100 more a month than their mortgage cost as over the lifetime of ownership it potentially is a market that can't fail?
Their is somewhat of a feeling that many of the buyer's are actually from overseas that we don't know where the money is coming from

There's obviously a need to have rental properties available for people that want them but the difference in monthly cost between buying and renting is way off. Even after my mortgage shot up when I renewed its still about £600pm cheaper than renting in the same street.

And while not every landlord is terrible and does the absolute minimum they can get away with in terms of maintenance the percentage that do is far too high.

We've created a situation where people see buy to let as a path to prosperity. For many its a case of buy a property and just sit back and watch the money come in. That's not most peoples idea of hard work.

 

[chiefdave]

Starmer and Reeves branding Reform's policies 'racist' is depressing. If they haven't figured out by now that talking that way pushes people towards Reform and co. then they might be past saving.

At the same time as saying reform are racists Starmer seems intent on spending the Labour conference doing some sort of weird Farage tribute act. If you're going to claim their racist don't start announcing similar policies!

 

[wingy]

Brings the Raynor episode into focus again IMO.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Then choose your wording better. You can't lump them in the same arguments as bullshit when 1 clearly wasn't. Im not on the wind up. I just want to know, do you agree that Eastern europeans eat carp from lakes? Or was it lazy, peddled, bullshit, the same as #SwanGate?

Come on, dont be a politician and avoid it. Yes, or no! Do you agree, it WASNT bullshit 2p years ago and they eat carp out of fishing lakes?

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I’m sorry, but this is the exact sort of stuff we heard last year about people eating cats and dogs in the US. A story has been made up by someone gambling that people will probably believe it.

 

[DT-R]

I’m sorry, but this is the exact sort of stuff we heard last year about people eating cats and dogs in the US. A story has been made up by someone gambling that people will probably believe it.

So are you also denying that Eastern europeans catch and eat carp from fishing lakes?

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[wingy]

So are you also denying that Eastern europeans catch and eat carp from fishing lakes?

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Not me but I haven't heard of a swan being taken.

 

[Sick Boy]

I’m sorry, but this is the exact sort of stuff we heard last year about people eating cats and dogs in the US. A story has been made up by someone gambling that people will probably believe it.

I think it's time to paint the swans with the cross of St George to protect them from those pesky Eastern Europeans.