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[Grendel]

Interesting to see media reports surfacing around Starmer loyalists trying to make a deal with Burnham to head off a leadership challenge, especially given when this was discussed a couple of days ago the consensus seemed to be there was zero chance he would mount a bid.

He isn’t even in parliament

 

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[rob9872]

Just caught the DA nonsense on X. It's not half ss bad as lots of stuff tbf, they were playing shag, marry, kill and its not like he said kill. Bad that she was a figure of ridicule, but this was at the height of what when she was in the news 8 years ago and Labour weren't in government. Seems a bit of a witch hurt that they've been holding onto, ready to unleash. This guy only collateral damage, it looks like the inner wheels really want Starmer out, they couldn't care less about Overton or Abbott.

 

[Sick Boy]

I’m starting to think that all that left-wing stuff that he was saving up that the public were going to love wasn’t actually true. Thoughts @PVA ?

 

[PVA]

I’m starting to think that all that left-wing stuff that he was saving up that the public were going to love wasn’t actually true. Thoughts @PVA ?

I don't remember saying they were 'saving up' left wing stuff. I may have said they might need to front load the shit stuff though.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Interesting to see media reports surfacing around Starmer loyalists trying to make a deal with Burnham to head off a leadership challenge, especially given when this was discussed a couple of days ago the consensus seemed to be there was zero chance he would mount a bid.

Let’s rephrase that: @shmmeee shouted down anyone who suggested it was a possibility.

At the current rate, Starmer won’t be PM by the end of the year, let alone the 2026 local elections or this time next year.

 

[SBT]

Let’s rephrase that: @shmmeee shouted down anyone who suggested it was a possibility.

At the current rate, Starmer won’t be PM by the end of the year, let alone the 2026 local elections or this time next year.

I don’t see why he would be out of a job within three and a half months, what’s the urgency?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just caught the DA nonsense on X. It's not half ss bad as lots of stuff tbf, they were playing shag, marry, kill and its not like he said kill. Bad that she was a figure of ridicule, but this was at the height of what when she was in the news 8 years ago and Labour weren't in government. Seems a bit of a witch hurt that they've been holding onto, ready to unleash. This guy only collateral damage, it looks like the inner wheels really want Starmer out, they couldn't care less about Overton or Abbott.

That's the game they all play, fuck them all

 

[mmttww]

That's the game they all play, fuck them all

Someone who worked with Milliband before and after he got the leadership told me about stuff that went on between people nominally in the same party, and it made The Thick of It look professional.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Subconscious racism?

Really ? Abbott has suffered a lot of disgusting racism over the years but I don’t see this having any bearing on these texts/comments, or certainly not the ones I’ve seen

My initial thoughts would be that it’s due to the fact that she’s been quite a large lady and I’d imagine a domineering woman (desperately trying not to think about Abbott in a sexual way !). Maybe better calling them fattist than just reverting straight to racist

Either way it was inappropriate but like everything these days, dont put anything you think might be funny after a few beers in text…what a sad state of affairs !

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m starting to think that all that left-wing stuff that he was saving up that the public were going to love wasn’t actually true. Thoughts @PVA ?

‘Starmer announces minimum wage rise of £0.01/h’

‘SEE! HA!’

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I don’t see why he would be out of a job within three and a half months, what’s the urgency?

Keir Starmer’s unpopularity has just surpassed Liz Truss’.

The deputy leadership is a de facto a referendum on Starmer’s government - Powell is heavily favoured over Phillipson to win. The latter heavily favoured by Starmer.

There’s a budget coming up which could make or break the government as it had done under Truss if the bond markets convulse again. Politically, Starmer/McSweeney want to try again to cut welfare so there’s a possibility of (another) humiliating rebellion.

My view was that May 2026 is when the Labour Party will have an existential crisis when they get wiped out in Wales, finish 3rd in Scotland and have a mare in the local elections.

There’s things going for Starmer:
1. Labour have never ousted a leader
2. Andy Burnham is the most likely replacement who isn’t an MP and any seat he’d stand in would likely be won by Reform

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Keir Starmer’s unpopularity has just surpassed Liz Truss’.

The deputy leadership is a de facto a referendum on Starmer’s government - Powell is heavily favoured over Phillipson to win. The latter heavily favoured by Starmer.

There’s a budget coming up which could make or break the government as it had done under Truss if the bond markets convulse again. Politically, Starmer/McSweeney want to try again to cut welfare so there’s a possibility of (another) humiliating rebellion.

My view was that May 2026 is when the Labour Party will have an existential crisis when they get wiped out in Wales, finish 3rd in Scotland and have a mare in the local elections.

There’s things going for Starmer:
1. Labour have never ousted a leader
2. Andy Burnham is the most likely replacement who isn’t an MP and any seat he’d stand in would likely be won by Reform

Friends of mine who work with the PLP have said Burnham is putting feelers out with a view to some by-elections that are coming up. They also say though that most MPs are reluctant to ‘rock the boat’ and want to focus more on their constituency work to try and protect their seats that way.

I would qualify that though by adding that these guys also say ‘at least Starmer is focusing on doing things’.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Friends of mine who work with the PLP have said Burnham is putting feelers out with a view to some by-elections that are coming up. They also say though that most MPs are reluctant to ‘rock the boat’ and want to focus more on their constituency work to try and protect their seats that way.

I would qualify that though by adding that these guys also say ‘at least Starmer is focusing on doing things’.

They’re doing the best they can with a bad hand. Burnham in particular faces a potentially humiliating scenario of parachuting into a seat to then lose his seat to a 19 year old Reform candidate!

An issue the Labour Party has is that it has ran out of top talent, the same happened with the Tories albeit this was after 14 years as opposed to 15-18 months.

 

[rob9872]

An issue the Labour Party has is that it has ran out of top talent, the same happened with the Tories albeit this was after 14 years as opposed to 15-18 months.

Tin hat time, top bait. This is 100% going to rattle a few

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They’re doing the best they can with a bad hand. Burnham in particular faces a potentially humiliating scenario of parachuting into a seat to then lose his seat to a 19 year old Reform candidate!

An issue the Labour Party has is that it has ran out of top talent, the same happened with the Tories albeit this was after 14 years as opposed to 15-18 months.

Burnham is fairly popular though isn’t he? Likewise he seems to have done a decent job in Manchester and comes across a bit more personable than Starmer.

It does look a bit like dropping Sam Allardyce in to a relegation battle though.

 

[rob9872]

It does look a bit like dropping Sam Allardyce in to a relegation battle ththough.

Is Boris the nan to get Reform promoted? Think it's play offs at best with Farage.

Points deduction looming for Badenoch, could push them into NL.

 

[DT-R]

Subconscious racism?

Yeah! Clearly, it's because she black! Nothing to do with the fact she's an absolute moron who can't count, add up, or put her fucking shoes on properly! But yeah, the dislike of her is clearly racist!

Let's not forget, this is a racist person in herself, who doesn't think blonde, white Finnish girls should be nurses as they've never seen black people before. The same Dianne Abbott who thinks racism against Jews, Gypsies, etc, isnt as bad as racism against black people?

But yeah, there's no reason to hate her, other than the fact that she's black

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is Boris the nan to get Reform promoted? Think it's play offs at best with Farage.

Points deduction looming for Badenoch, could push them into NL.

Badenoch is Ruben Selles, will the MPs revolt and demand the return of Boris?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Tin hat time, top bait. This is 100% going to rattle a few

Not really. Who would you go for after Starmer?

Some of the names listed below are genuinely scary. Wes Streeting, Miliband, Burnham are probably the most competent of the names being mooted. Possibly add Cooper to that list.

Streeting wouldn’t get elected, Miliband has been rejected by the electorate, Burnham’s platform is identical to Miliband and he isn’t even an MP.

 

[rob9872]

Not really. Who would you go for after Starmer?

Some of the names listed below are genuinely scary. Wes Streeting, Miliband, Burnham are probably the most competent of the names being mooted. Possibly add Cooper to that list.

Streeting wouldn’t get elected, Miliband has been rejected by the electorate, Burnham’s platform is identical to Miliband and he isn’t even an MP.

Wasn't that part I was referring to. You're right there are no credible alternates, is was suggesting that the Conservatives had top talent for 14 years that I thought would get a few nibbles.

 

[PVA]

He isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Look at what happened to the Tories once they got in a death spiral of leadership contests. It's not going to happen.

Of course the left are trying to destabilise things, wouldn't expect anything less.

 

[SBT]

Not really. Who would you go for after Starmer?

Some of the names listed below are genuinely scary. Wes Streeting, Miliband, Burnham are probably the most competent of the names being mooted. Possibly add Cooper to that list.

Streeting wouldn’t get elected, Miliband has been rejected by the electorate, Burnham’s platform is identical to Miliband and he isn’t even an MP.

The concept of having a ‘strong bench’ in politics is overrated imo. Having a leader-in-waiting isn’t especially helpful as you ideally only want one leader at a time, and if you do insist on a succession plan then it often falls to pieces anyway because most folk outside of the bubble haven’t heard of these people.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Badenoch is Ruben Selles, will the MPs revolt and demand the return of Boris?

I'd prefer Chris Wilder.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Badenoch is Ruben Selles, will the MPs revolt and demand the return of Boris?

Analysts reckon one of the reasons Danny Kruger defected to Reform because he couldn’t see a route for Jenrick to become leader. Not a household MP, but a serious Conservative thinker who’s been involved at the top level of Tory opposition/government.

Boris is done, a lot of the anger around immigration is directly linked to the ‘Boriswave’.

He isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Look at what happened to the Tories once they got in a death spiral of leadership contests. It's not going to happen.

Of course the left are trying to destabilise things, wouldn't you expect anything less.

Replacing May with Boris was a masterstroke back in 2019…

Starmer’s government is unpopular and the only thing more unpopular than his government is Starmer personally.

 

[chiefdave]

Burnham is fairly popular though isn’t he? Likewise he seems to have done a decent job in Manchester and comes across a bit more personable than Starmer.

Personally if I was in Burnham's position I'd stay where I was. He seems well liked and unlikely to be voted out any time soon.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Look at what happened to the Tories once they got in a death spiral of leadership contests. It's not going to happen.

Of course the left are trying to destabilise things, wouldn't expect anything less.

Yeah, it’s all the left’s fault that Sir Cabbage and Mrs Turnip are blowing the biggest majority Labour will ever get.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The concept of having a ‘strong bench’ in politics is overrated imo. Having a leader-in-waiting isn’t especially helpful as you ideally only want one leader at a time, and if you do insist on a succession plan then it often falls to pieces anyway because most folk outside of the bubble haven’t heard of these people.

True to the extent that you can often damaging relationships at the top of government. As ‘successful’ as the New Labour project was, the relationship between Blair and Brown was v fraught at times.

What I’m talking about here is competent people with real life experience. To generalise, none of the cabinet have experience outside politics or the public sector/unions.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

True to the extent that you can often damaging relationships at the top of government. As ‘successful’ as the New Labour project was, the relationship between Blair and Brown was v fraught at times.

What I’m talking about here is competent people with real life experience. To generalise, none of the cabinet have experience outside politics or the public sector/unions.

Working in the public sector isn’t real life?

 

[Sick Boy]

Tin hat time, top bait. This is 100% going to rattle a few

There are only two of them.

 

[PVA]

Yeah, it’s all the left’s fault that Sir Cabbage and Mrs Turnip are blowing the biggest majority Labour will ever get.

I never said it was the left's fault

 

[SBT]

What I’m talking about here is competent people with real life experience. To generalise, none of the cabinet have experience outside politics or the public sector/unions.

I’m sure the various public sector workers on this forum will be surprised to learn they don’t have any “real life experience”!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I’m sure the various public sector workers on this forum will be surprised to learn they don’t have any “real life experience”!

Working in the public sector isn’t real life?

Facetious responses.

Teachers running education, or healthcare professions running health makes sense. Running energy, farming, business, economy or the home office, less so.

 

[PVA]

This is good news:

Hillsborough Law will include duty of candour on public officials

The proposed law would force public bodies to co-operate with investigations into major disasters.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I never said it was the let's fault

‘The left are trying to destabilise things’

The left aren’t in charge. Things are being destabilised by weak and pathetic leadership.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Facetious responses.

Teachers running education, or healthcare professions running health makes sense. Running energy, farming, business, economy or the home office, less so.

Who was the last education secretary who had any teaching experience?