Do you want to discuss boring politics? (20 Viewers)

[Nick]

Interesting comments from Sir Trevor Phillips:



- ‘mostly normal people you’d see in country pubs or HT at a football match’
- hooliganism on the fringes
- Tommy Robinson more capable of pulling in a crowd the size of Blackpool/Cambridge than Starmer or Badenoch
- People are sending a message to Westminster

The rehabilitation of Tommy Robinson’s image is entirely the Labour/Tory establishments fault.

Issue is people being driven towards him because there's literally nobody else "representing" their concerns.

While you have people like shmmeee just with fingers in their ears shouting racist over and over without leaving the house.

 

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[wingy]

Robinson’s party, whatever it’s called, will struggle to get more than a couple hundred thousand votes. Even Farage is vilified by them.

Aren't they just our version of the proud boy's?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Anyway a quick 1 day jolly into the politics thread and called racist in record time
Never fucking changes does it. Utter drivel.

What has been apparent in the last few days on this board, is that most people who claim to know a lot about politics, actually are incredibly ignorant about the world and have proved as such.

Almost none of the regular posters had ever heard of Charlie Kirk, which is staggering considering how incredibly famous he is in the world of politics. It just proves how much of an echo chamber many are living in.

Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said, and despite pretending to have a bit of sympathy, were still looking at angles to try and insinuate he deserved it, whilst being careful to not actually say the words. A few leftist celebrities have been destroyed on twitter for doing similair things, and for getting their facts completely wrong.

This protest is another example. The media are trying their hardest to knock it down, and a few people on here are desperately trying to swallow it and dismantle it - but they're failing. Hence the scale up in calling everyone a racist.

Like with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the desperate media smear campaigns, and these insults, what has become clear is that the left are losing badly at the moment and this is all desperate behaviour.

Thankfully it looks like more and more people are seeing through it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Issue is people being driven towards him because there's literally nobody else "representing" their concerns.

While you have people like shmmeee just with fingers in their ears shouting racist over and over without leaving the house.

100%.

The electorates trusted Labour and Conservatives to deliver lower immigration from 2005-2025. Both parties have failed, so if we’re doing things democratically, it shouldn’t be a surprise that Reform is polling where it is atm.

Shmmee posts a lot of polling, but it’s often devoid of context. For example, the electorate by and large don’t mind healthcare workers, students and skilled workers. However, they don’t support people overstaying their visas nor several dependents coming with them.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

What has been apparent in the last few days on this board, is that most people who claim to know a lot about politics, actually are incredibly ignorant about the world and have proved as such.

Almost none of the regular posters had ever heard of Charlie Kirk, which is staggering considering how incredibly famous he is in the world of politics. It just proves how much of an echo chamber many are living in.

Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said, and despite pretending to have a bit of sympathy, were still looking at angles to try and insinuate he deserved it, whilst being careful to not actually say the words. A few leftist celebrities have been destroyed on twitter for doing similair things, and for getting their facts completely wrong.

This protest is another example. The media are trying their hardest to knock it down, and a few people on here are desperately trying to swallow it and dismantle it - but they're failing. Hence the scale up in calling everyone a racist.

Like with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the desperate media smear campaigns, and these insults, what has become clear is that the left are losing badly at the moment and this is all desperate behaviour.

Thankfully it looks like more and more people are seeing through it.

One of the most disturbing responses to Charlie Kirk’s assassination was many people would performatively say ‘RIP - terrible news’ but then list all the terrible things he said. In fact, a lot of things people have quoted are devoid of context. Even Alistair Campbell on his public said Kirk said ‘Gays should be stoned to death’ which was shut down by prominent gay conservatives such as Andrew Doyle and Dave Rubin.

In any case, it’s toxic to list all the bad things your opponent said before their corpse has gone cold. I don’t think conservatives would do the same if a prominent left activist was gunned down on campus.

Even The Guardian felt it was appropriate to mention Kobe Bryant was accused of rape when reporting on his death.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

One of the most disturbing responses to Charlie Kirk’s assassination was many people would performatively say ‘RIP - terrible news’ but then list all the terrible things he said. In fact, a lot of things people have quoted are devoid of context. Even Alistair Campbell on his public said Kirk said ‘Gays should be stoned to death’ which was shut down by prominent gay conservatives such as Andrew Doyle and Dave Rubin.

In any case, it’s toxic to list all the bad things your opponent said before their corpse has gone cold. I don’t think conservatives would do the same if a prominent left activist was gunned down on campus.

Even The Guardian felt it was appropriate to mention Kobe Bryant was accused of rape when reporting on his death.

Course conservatives would and have and do always
It’s wrong though

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Issue is people being driven towards him because there's literally nobody else "representing" their concerns.

While you have people like shmmeee just with fingers in their ears shouting racist over and over without leaving the house.

Can you just ban him already for using the N word a few weeks ago, the forum would be so much better without that hateful sad c**t calling everyone racist. It would actually do him some good, he might even leave his bedsit if he’s banned off here @shmmeee

 

[SBT]

In any case, it’s toxic to list all the bad things your opponent said before their corpse has gone cold. I don’t think conservatives would do the same if a prominent left activist was gunned down on campus.

Even The Guardian felt it was appropriate to mention Kobe Bryant was accused of rape when reporting on his death.

They’re public figures - why should their opinions and actions be omitted when reporting on their deaths? Or is it a strict hagiographies-only policy if someone dies suddenly?

 

[mmttww]

Which is why I think it’s largely unhelpful to brand hundreds of thousands of people as racist, when I’d prefer to reserve it for the ringleaders and the real headcases.

Is that gonna do much when you're essentially dealing with cults? You've got convicted criminals (Trump, Robinson), drug-addled Bond villains (Musk) and fascism enthusiasts (Farage) as the face of it.

Folks who would usually differentiate themselves from others on something like law and order chuck their positions in the bin when it comes to their guy. Norms have gone out the window here.

 

[LarryGrayson]

id not go to a galloway fronted ralley or a robinson one i dont wanna be linked with racist scum

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

One of the most disturbing responses to Charlie Kirk’s assassination was many people would performatively say ‘RIP - terrible news’ but then list all the terrible things he said. In fact, a lot of things people have quoted are devoid of context. Even Alistair Campbell on his public said Kirk said ‘Gays should be stoned to death’ which was shut down by prominent gay conservatives such as Andrew Doyle and Dave Rubin.

In any case, it’s toxic to list all the bad things your opponent said before their corpse has gone cold. I don’t think conservatives would do the same if a prominent left activist was gunned down on campus.

Even The Guardian felt it was appropriate to mention Kobe Bryant was accused of rape when reporting on his death.

Look at what was written after the Democrats in Minnesota were killed if you wish to go down that road.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Look at what was written after the Democrats in Minnesota were killed if you wish to go down that road.

Was there a thread about that on here ?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Was there a thread about that on here ?

I don’t think so.

 

[Sick Boy]

What has been apparent in the last few days on this board, is that most people who claim to know a lot about politics, actually are incredibly ignorant about the world and have proved as such.

Almost none of the regular posters had ever heard of Charlie Kirk, which is staggering considering how incredibly famous he is in the world of politics. It just proves how much of an echo chamber many are living in.

Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said, and despite pretending to have a bit of sympathy, were still looking at angles to try and insinuate he deserved it, whilst being careful to not actually say the words. A few leftist celebrities have been destroyed on twitter for doing similair things, and for getting their facts completely wrong.

This protest is another example. The media are trying their hardest to knock it down, and a few people on here are desperately trying to swallow it and dismantle it - but they're failing. Hence the scale up in calling everyone a racist.

Like with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the desperate media smear campaigns, and these insults, what has become clear is that the left are losing badly at the moment and this is all desperate behaviour.

Thankfully it looks like more and more people are seeing through it.

He’s incredibly famous in the world of American politics. Some of us aren’t as US-centric.

 

[LarryGrayson]

He’s incredibly famous in the world of American politics. Some of us aren’t as US-centric.

or read as much social media

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What has been apparent in the last few days on this board, is that most people who claim to know a lot about politics, actually are incredibly ignorant about the world and have proved as such.

Almost none of the regular posters had ever heard of Charlie Kirk, which is staggering considering how incredibly famous he is in the world of politics. It just proves how much of an echo chamber many are living in.

Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said, and despite pretending to have a bit of sympathy, were still looking at angles to try and insinuate he deserved it, whilst being careful to not actually say the words. A few leftist celebrities have been destroyed on twitter for doing similair things, and for getting their facts completely wrong.

This protest is another example. The media are trying their hardest to knock it down, and a few people on here are desperately trying to swallow it and dismantle it - but they're failing. Hence the scale up in calling everyone a racist.

Like with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the desperate media smear campaigns, and these insults, what has become clear is that the left are losing badly at the moment and this is all desperate behaviour.

Thankfully it looks like more and more people are seeing through it.

What seems more likely at this point is that the shooter was either right wing or politically homeless.

I will say what makes the conversation more frustrating and difficult to keep constructive is personal traits and characteristics being assigned to people on ‘the left’ or ‘the right’. People don’t like it going in one direction but keep doing it in the other.

 

[Captain Dart]

Ohhh here are the polls again.

"And our survey says"

Same polls that predicted a landslide for remaining in the EU. Maybe they had a degree of accuracy and honesty in the 1970s but they've since been taken over as a method of trying to manipulate the public mood.

 

[Captain Dart]

Like I said, you're a cowardly little rat version of the cunts going on pissed up jollies with England flags in.

You're sat in your house getting high, reading shit online and thinking you're better than everybody else while everybody else is thick, everybody else is racist. You base your life on a polls website.

I'll give £100 to a Palestine charity if you walk down to the royal oak and tell them to take down the flags and that they are all racist.

I'll chip in £100 too.

 

[Captain Dart]

Only Coventry South likely to remain Labour, but not sure they’ve built in Zarah Sultana / Your Party into their polling yet.

Constituencies

election2029.uk

Possibly she will be attempting to get elected in a Birmingham seat instead. She doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of reelection in Coventry South if she is not on the Labour ticket.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Same polls that predicted a landslide for remaining in the EU. Maybe they had a degree of accuracy and honesty in the 1970s but they've since been taken over as a method of trying to manipulate the public mood.

Opinion polling for the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Captain Dart]

100%.

The electorates trusted Labour and Conservatives to deliver lower immigration from 2005-2025. Both parties have failed, so if we’re doing things democratically, it shouldn’t be a surprise that Reform is polling where it is atm.

Shmmee posts a lot of polling, but it’s often devoid of context. For example, the electorate by and large don’t mind healthcare workers, students and skilled workers. However, they don’t support people overstaying their visas nor several dependents coming with them.

Both parties lied and misled over this issue and others like power bills and cost of living.

Maybe Reform are doing so also but trust in the mainstream is gone.

 

[PVA]

Even after the news broke of his death, some were still clawing at things he supposedly said,

He didn't 'supposedly' say these things. He said them.

I know he's some sort of modern day saint to you, but he held some reprehensible views. And no, that doesn't mean I think he deserved to die.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Both parties lied and misled over this issue and others like power bills and cost of living.

Maybe Reform are doing so also but trust in the mainstream is gone.

No maybe about it. All they’ve got is a cheap Trump/Musk tribute act that would manage to make things worse.

Labour need to get rid of Starmer and Reeves and sort their shit out.

 

[Captain Dart]

Opinion polling for the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Look at the scatter on some of those results, a sign of uncertainty in accurracy, the ones I was aware of were generally for remain by a considerable margin. I was unaware they changed as the vote neared but I went on holiday that week and the result surprised everyone I was with.

 

[chiefdave]

The electorates trusted Labour and Conservatives to deliver lower immigration from 2005-2025. Both parties have failed

Im no fan of Starmer or this government but what exactly are you reasonably expecting in the time they’ve had

UK net migration almost halves in 2024, falling to 431,000, ONS estimates - follow live

The ONS says the drop is "driven by falling numbers of people coming to work and study, particularly student dependants", following previous policy changes.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Johnnythespider]

Look at the scatter on some of those results, a sign of uncertainty in accurracy, the ones I was aware of were generally for remain by a considerable margin. I was unaware they changed as the vote neared but I went on holiday that week and the result surprised everyone I was with.

I just remembered it being quite close but that maybe down to the opinions I was hearing at work

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I just remembered it being quite close but that maybe down to the opinions I was hearing at work

If memory serves Farage himself was also expecting a small Remain win.

 

[wingy]

Destroy from within, is the aim,pure and simple if you let it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Look at what was written after the Democrats in Minnesota were killed if you wish to go down that road.

By ‘right’ leaning media outlets or just horrible people on ‘X’ and so on?

Fox kept it factual:

Break-in at murdered Minnesota lawmaker's home under investigation | Fox News

Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman's home broken into days after she and her husband were fatally shot, with police finding evidence of searching but nothing reported missing.

www.foxnews.com

MSNBC:

Trump gave vastly different responses to Charlie Kirk's and Melissa Hortman's assassinations

Why Trump’s different responses to Charlie Kirk and Melissa Hortman's assassinations matter.

www.msnbc.com

This is trash journalism. Charlie Kirk was a personal friend of Trump’s and considering Trump was close to being assassinated on live TV, can anyone blame him for rolling out the eulogy for Kirk?

The same outlet had Matthew Dowd reporting more or less victim-blaming Kirk for his own assassination before he was pronounced dead.

They’re public figures - why should their opinions and actions be omitted when reporting on their deaths? Or is it a strict hagiographies-only policy if someone dies suddenly?

What is the utility of it? Particularly when the quotes are clipped without full context or intentionally misrepresented.

Look at the scatter on some of those results, a sign of uncertainty in accurracy, the ones I was aware of were generally for remain by a considerable margin. I was unaware they changed as the vote neared but I went on holiday that week and the result surprised everyone I was with.

The penny dropped for me when I had a conversation with my mum. Long story short, I was uni and everyone in my social group was ‘Remain’ (including myself), so was surprised the polling was 55:45. My mum worked in a pub and recalled a convo where every single person said they voting ‘Leave’, supposedly cross-party sample. Thats when I thought that Leave might actually win. Jeff Bezos did say trust the anecdotes when they conflict with the data.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

By ‘right’ leaning media outlets or just horrible people on ‘X’ and so on?

Fox kept it factual:

Break-in at murdered Minnesota lawmaker's home under investigation | Fox News

Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman's home broken into days after she and her husband were fatally shot, with police finding evidence of searching but nothing reported missing.

www.foxnews.com

MSNBC:

Trump gave vastly different responses to Charlie Kirk's and Melissa Hortman's assassinations

Why Trump’s different responses to Charlie Kirk and Melissa Hortman's assassinations matter.

www.msnbc.com

This is trash journalism. Charlie Kirk was a personal friend of Trump’s and considering Trump was close to being assassinated on live TV, can anyone blame him for rolling out the eulogy for Kirk?

The same outlet had Matthew Dowd reporting more or less victim-blaming Kirk for his own assassination before he was pronounced dead.


What is the utility of it? Particularly when the quotes are clipped without full context or intentionally misrepresented.



The penny dropped for me when I had a conversation with my mum. Long story short, I was uni and everyone in my social group was ‘Remain’ (including myself), so was surprised the polling was 55:45. My mum worked in a pub and recalled a convo where every single person said they voting ‘Leave’, supposedly cross-party sample. Thats when I thought that Leave might actually win. Jeff Bezos did say trust the anecdotes when they conflict with the data.

You are conveniently leaving out a lot of their and similar coverage trying to implicate Tim Walz into the case. I certainly saw no major figures from the right calling for political violence to be stopped or for the rhetoric to be toned down. The president has continued to speak about Democrats as though they were enemies of the state. He has continued to go on about left wing violence when he incited violence to prevent the transfer of power.

Yet here they are demanding it when Kirk’s killer isn’t even left wing. It’s disgusting hypocrisy.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Im no fan of Starmer or this government but what exactly are you reasonably expecting in the time they’ve had

UK net migration almost halves in 2024, falling to 431,000, ONS estimates - follow live

The ONS says the drop is "driven by falling numbers of people coming to work and study, particularly student dependants", following previous policy changes.

www.bbc.co.uk

This was carrying on the restrictions the Tories introduced. In any case, 431k net migration is far too high in the eyes of the electorate. When polled, the electorate would say they want a “fair immigration system” whereas now they don’t care, they want the numbers to be lower (0-100k) full stop.

The small boats are increasing too which is generating the most anger with the electorate. The costs are also mounting.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This was carrying on the restrictions the Tories introduced. In any case, 431k net migration is far too high in the eyes of the electorate. When polled, the electorate would say they want a “fair immigration system” whereas now they don’t care, they want the numbers to be lower (0-100k) full stop.

The small boats are increasing too which is generating the most anger with the electorate. The costs are also mounting.

Net student migration is over double that isn’t it?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You are conveniently leaving out a lot of their and similar coverage trying to implicate Tim Walz into the case. I certainly saw no major figures from the right calling for political violence to be stopped or for the rhetoric to be toned down. The president has continued to speak about Democrats as though they were enemies of the state. He has continued to go on about left wing violence when he incited violence to prevent the transfer of power.

Yet here they are demanding it when Kirk’s killer isn’t even left wing. It’s disgusting hypocrisy.

The killer was a ‘leftist’, the bullets were carved with ANTIFA and pro-trans messages. That’s been confirmed by the FBI.

There’s unconfirmed reports that trans groups were aware that the assassination was going to take place. Which may tie in with the post below that shared in another thread.

Reports that the killer was a fellow Republican or an Israeli paid hitman (etc) are just wrong. He was radicalised leftist.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Net student migration is over double that isn’t it?

Probably and the public are seeing that many of these students are either a) being many dependents with them b) transitioning into low income work and c) overstaying/violating their visa conditions.

Most of the electorate expect students to leave or transition into highly qualified, high paying work after their studies. This isn’t happening.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The killer was a ‘leftist’, the bullets were carved with ANTIFA and pro-trans messages. That’s been confirmed by the FBI.

There’s unconfirmed reports that trans groups were aware that the assassination was going to take place. Which may tie in with the post below that shared in another thread.

Reports that the killer was a fellow Republican or an Israeli paid hitman (etc) are just wrong. He was radicalised leftist.

The bullet engravings actually all appear to be references to a game and/or to quotes from the Nick Fuentes part of the bro sphere. He came from a family with a deep gun culture and that was in deep Republican territory.

A bit like Luigi Mangione and other Gen Z murderers these cases aren’t as straightforward as they appear.