Do you want to discuss boring politics? (28 Viewers)

[PVA]

There will be a nationwide poll showing that in a few years time I guess.

Maybe. Long way to go though. Things like giving hero's welcomes to convicted criminals will wear pretty thin with the majority of the general public (just a shame it actually appeals to quite a few too).

 

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[SBT]

My grandad grew up in a mining village, ultimately became a psychiatrist and had no problem until his dying days with paying higher taxes so that more could have access to opportunities that he didn't.

Interesting. My father was a toolmaker.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Interesting. My father was a toolmaker.

'My dad was a newsagent, my mum was a council administrator' doesn't have the same political zing I concede.

 

[Sick Boy]

Maybe. Long way to go though. Things like giving hero's welcomes to convicted criminals will wear pretty thin with the majority of the general public (just a shame it actually appeals to quite a few too).

The Reform cucks and her describing herself as a political prisoner is beyond crass.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The Reform cucks and her describing herself as a political prisoner is beyond crass.

They probably think people should be arrested for disrespecting the flag

 

[Captain Dart]

There’s these little things called clinical trials you absolute buffoon.

The vendors design the trials and control for instance how they characterise adverse events or withdrawals from the trials, no one looks over their shoulder to see if there might be a problem with the drugs if they say 'purely coincidental nothing to see here'. The tragic tale of Maddie DeGaray is a case in point.

Follow up on trial volunteers is often far too short, like less than a week so long term adverse events are never going to be identified.

Drugs can be withdrawn, for instance Pandremix a 2009 swine flu vaccine was associated with a nine times rate of narcolepsy as the background rate and withdrawn in 2011 after this was discovered, too late for some.

I am not surprised you ignore corrupt behaviours and believe the world is all clean and ethical science, it isn't. Drug companies have collectively been fined $126billion since 2000 for their illegal behaviours. If you think there is no need for independant scrutiny on trials ( the MHRA gets 86% of it's funding from drug companies so that cannot be regarded as independant). As long as the fines are far less than their profits and their mistakes don't effect future business they don't care.

Even if the system that exists largely works it can always be improved.

Anyway Einstein, have a good life. I'm sure you'll get your Nobel prize one day.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I don't disagree with it increasing by inflation but the argument being made was they made these changes (which were well above inflation) for the benefit of average people. They weren't. It was for the benefit of those who are richer. The fact that it would have a small benefit to those on lower incomes was just something they could use for political spin - it was not the purpose of it.

And then you can argue that because it reduces tax revenues overall there is less to spend on public services, which are used more by those on low incomes, so what may have saved them £40 in income tax cost them £50 in reduced services and other benefits.

Nonsense. Increasing the personal allowance is the best thing for the poorest who work. You can tweak higher rates to compensate

The richest already start losing their personal allowance the more they earn though.

‘As your income increases above £100,000, your personal tax allowance, or the amount you can earn tax free, reduces. For every £2 of income you earn over £100,000, you lose £1 of personal allowance’

Currently everyone is paying more tax yet public services aren’t improving. Until they do the economically illiterate parties like Reform, Greens, Corbos lot will continue to increase their support.

 

[Nick]

Anything that makes Nick have to face what a weird little racist he’s become makes him sad

Better to have a go at the mirror.

Yes everybody who doesn't obsess over polls is racist as well

Have a fucking word with yourself. Worst hypocrite on here

You make up scenarios in your head and roll with them.

 

[Nuskyblue]

I've definitely become aware of the area's decline when compared to when I moved in,decline in it's many forms are pretty intolerable in many ways HMO:s being one, tenants dumping any crap they like, some does an oil change and leaves the waste on the pavement in an open receptical, mattresses fridge freezers sofa,my neighbour's, God knows who seem to rotate every two months god knows who owns it.
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Sounds like Albany Rd.

 

[rob9872]

Good grief. Just catching up on few mixed pages of conspiracy theories and back slapping of 'look at them lot over there'. Time for me to avoid this until something interesting happens again.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Good grief. Just catching up on few mixed pages of conspiracy theories and back slapping of 'look at them lot over there'. Time for me to avoid this until something interesting happens again.

All sad individuals that think because a handful of the same sad individuals agree with them, they think they are right about everything. Always the loudest ones on forums and social media that think they are always right, time to step into the real world

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Good grief. Just catching up on few mixed pages of conspiracy theories and back slapping of 'look at them lot over there'. Time for me to avoid this until something interesting happens again.

Don’t leave things to dom
You can speak in sentences and care

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Good grief. Just catching up on few mixed pages of conspiracy theories and back slapping of 'look at them lot over there'. Time for me to avoid this until something interesting happens again.

So Rob, what is your view on the pyramids? Pharaoh burial sites or forerunners for Pharaoh John’s pizza outlets?

 

[SBT]

All sad individuals that think because a handful of the same sad individuals agree with them, they think they are right about everything. Always the loudest ones on forums and social media that think they are always right, time to step into the real world

Think you're being harsh on fatso here personally

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Think you're being harsh on fatso here personally

Though I would like to know the reasoning behind your username choice

 

[SBT]

Though I would like to know the reasoning behind your username choice

It's my initials! Didn't really twig they were the same as the whole forum at the time. Happy to change it...

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Think you're being harsh on fatso here personally

Nah talking about people like you and @mmttww it’s actually sad, I feel sorry for you pair

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

It's my initials! Didn't really twig they were the same as the whole forum at the time. Happy to change it...

No it’s because you are a sad person that’s so in love with this forum you’ve named yourself after it

 

[SBT]

Nah talking about people like you and @mmttww it’s actually sad, I feel sorry for you pair

What have I said now in this thread Dom? I hate it when you get this upset.

No it’s because you are a sad person that’s so in love with this forum you’ve named yourself after it

What's with the 26? Did you have a bit of trouble registering in the assumption there were 25 other SkyBlueDoms on here?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What's with the 26? Did you have a bit of trouble registering in the assumption there were 25 other SkyBlueDoms on here?

It's his IQ

 

[chiefdave]

No it’s because you are a sad person that’s so in love with this forum you’ve named yourself after it

That's the bit he left out. It is his initials but he's changed his name by deed poll to Sky Blues Talk

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What have I said now in this thread Dom? I hate it when you get this upset.


What's with the 26? Did you have a bit of trouble registering in the assumption there were 25 other SkyBlueDoms on here?

You are a sad individual whose life revolves around this forum, you and a few others need to go outside a bit more. I just come on here to laugh at it

 

[chiefdave]

Not a great performance from Farage on the media rounds this morning

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Not a great performance from Farage on the media rounds this morning

Cheers Dave for that wonderful information, should get a couple of likes

 

[wingy]

Echo - testing!🫣

 

[DT-R]

Ok, let's deal with those then.

When the personal allowance is increased it actually benefits the rich most, as it means less of their income is in higher tax brackets. Also the same with upping the upper tax band. £42k at the time was well above the average wage (and still is) so actually benefits the rich and those on above average wages while poorer households get nothing from it at all.

What they're good at is making policies that on the face of it seem to be beneficial to 'normal' people but are in fact much more of a benefit for them and their rich mates.

Again, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.

Let's start at the bottom shall we? The £10.5k - £12.5k rise. So, low earners/part time workers/people topped up by benefits. The lowest of the low scum as you think the tories would say. The bottom feeders! Or, every day, normal people (like my mum) They can now earn an extra £2k a year (or for minimum wage earners) can work the equivalent of an extra 3 hours per week (thats an extra £36 a week in their pocket) before being taxed. This isnt benefitting the rich?
My dad is retired, my mum has to work part time to top up his pension so they can live. She can now work more hours and bring in more money per week because of this "only the rich benefit" tax rise.

Middle earners. £42k - £50k rise.
Nurses, once fully qualified and risen through the grades can be on up to £46k a year. With overtime can surpass £50k.
Firemen, Basic rate of £38k. Overtime would easily take them past £42.
Paramedics, roughly the same as firemen.
Car industry (JLR/Rolls Royce/JCB) track workers, £40k+. Up to the higher £40s with OT added.
I class ALL of these people as working class. Not rich, but hard working, everyday men and women. All benefit from the extra £8k in the 20% tax bracket. Again, no millionaires within this group benefitting?

15 hour free childcare to 30 hour frre childcare per week. Allowed many mums to go back to work that couldn't afford to previously. My missus for one. She was a stay at home mum on benefits when my son was born. A drain on society some would say. But when my daughter was born, she could afford to go back to work, and earn money, and pay tax. Its a win-win. We were better off for it, she wasnt draining funds through benefits anymore AND she was paying taxes.

But please, please, continue to tell me how it is ONLY the rich that benefitted from the last tory government raising the personal tax rises?

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[SkyBlueDom26]

Again, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.

Let's start at the bottom shall we? The £10.5k - £12.5k rise. So, low earners/part time workers/people topped up by benefits. The lowest of the low scum as you think the tories would say. The bottom feeders! Or, every day, normal people (like my mum) They can now earn an extra £2k a year (or for minimum wage earners) can work the equivalent of an extra 3 hours per week before being taxed. This isnt benefitting the rich?
My dad is retired, my mum has to work part time to top up his pension so they can live. She can now work more hours and bring in more money per week because of this "only the rich benefit" tax rise.

Middle earners. £42k - £50k rise.
Nurses, once fully qualified and risen through the grades can be on up to £46k a year. With overtime can surpass £50k.
Firemen, Basic rate of £38k. Overtime would easily take them past £42.
Paramedics, roughly the same as firemen.
Car industry (JLR/Rolls Royce/JCB) track workers, £40k+. Up to the higher £40s with OT added.
I class ALL of these people as working class. Not rich, bet hard working, everyday men and women. All benefit from the extra £8k in the 20% tax bracket. Again, no millionaires within this group benefitting?

15 hour free childcare to 30 hour frre childcare per week. Allowed many mums to go back to work that couldn't afford to previously. My missus for one. She was a stay at home mum on benefits when my son was born. A drain on society some would say. But when my daughter was born, she could afford to go back to work, and earn money, and pay tax. Its a win-win. We were better off for it, she wasnt draining funds through benefits anymore AND she was paying taxes.

But please, please, continue to tell me how it is ONLY the rich that benefitted from the last tories government raising the personal tax rises?

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Please don’t argue with him mate, these people don’t have brains

 

[wingy]

Again, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.

Let's start at the bottom shall we? The £10.5k - £12.5k rise. So, low earners/part time workers/people topped up by benefits. The lowest of the low scum as you think the tories would say. The bottom feeders! Or, every day, normal people (like my mum) They can now earn an extra £2k a year (or for minimum wage earners) can work the equivalent of an extra 3 hours per week before being taxed. This isnt benefitting the rich?
My dad is retired, my mum has to work part time to top up his pension so they can live. She can now work more hours and bring in more money per week because of this "only the rich benefit" tax rise.

Middle earners. £42k - £50k rise.
Nurses, once fully qualified and risen through the grades can be on up to £46k a year. With overtime can surpass £50k.
Firemen, Basic rate of £38k. Overtime would easily take them past £42.
Paramedics, roughly the same as firemen.
Car industry (JLR/Rolls Royce/JCB) track workers, £40k+. Up to the higher £40s with OT added.
I class ALL of these people as working class. Not rich, bet hard working, everyday men and women. All benefit from the extra £8k in the 20% tax bracket. Again, no millionaires within this group benefitting?

15 hour free childcare to 30 hour frre childcare per week. Allowed many mums to go back to work that couldn't afford to previously. My missus for one. She was a stay at home mum on benefits when my son was born. A drain on society some would say. But when my daughter was born, she could afford to go back to work, and earn money, and pay tax. Its a win-win. We were better off for it, she wasnt draining funds through benefits anymore AND she was paying taxes.

But please, please, continue to tell me how it is ONLY the rich that benefitted from the last tories government raising the personal tax rises?

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Frozen for three of five year's though,so eaten away or chipped away piece by piece how does that square now?

 

[PVA]

Again, the "tories only looking after the rich" and "labour are the working man's party" are great soundbites, and a great way to keep the working class voting for labour. But if you'd of read my first post properly, you'll see I've disproven that with real life, lived experiences of how the personal tax increases have helped EVERYONE, not just the rich.

Let's start at the bottom shall we? The £10.5k - £12.5k rise. So, low earners/part time workers/people topped up by benefits. The lowest of the low scum as you think the tories would say. The bottom feeders! Or, every day, normal people (like my mum) They can now earn an extra £2k a year (or for minimum wage earners) can work the equivalent of an extra 3 hours per week (thats an extra £36 a week in their pocket) before being taxed. This isnt benefitting the rich?
My dad is retired, my mum has to work part time to top up his pension so they can live. She can now work more hours and bring in more money per week because of this "only the rich benefit" tax rise.

Middle earners. £42k - £50k rise.
Nurses, once fully qualified and risen through the grades can be on up to £46k a year. With overtime can surpass £50k.
Firemen, Basic rate of £38k. Overtime would easily take them past £42.
Paramedics, roughly the same as firemen.
Car industry (JLR/Rolls Royce/JCB) track workers, £40k+. Up to the higher £40s with OT added.
I class ALL of these people as working class. Not rich, but hard working, everyday men and women. All benefit from the extra £8k in the 20% tax bracket. Again, no millionaires within this group benefitting?

15 hour free childcare to 30 hour frre childcare per week. Allowed many mums to go back to work that couldn't afford to previously. My missus for one. She was a stay at home mum on benefits when my son was born. A drain on society some would say. But when my daughter was born, she could afford to go back to work, and earn money, and pay tax. Its a win-win. We were better off for it, she wasnt draining funds through benefits anymore AND she was paying taxes.

But please, please, continue to tell me how it is ONLY the rich that benefitted from the last tory government raising the personal tax rises?

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[DT-R]

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So a couple of graphs of disposable income in a time where wages have stagnated and cost of living has doubled? Nice one

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[PVA]

So a couple of graphs of disposable income in a time where wages have stagnated and cost of living has doubled? Nice one

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No, it's a couple of graphs showing Tory policies over the last 14 years negatively affected the poorest in society the most.

 

[DT-R]

No, it's a couple of graphs showing Tory policies over the last 14 years negatively affected the poorest in society the most.

The poorest in society will always be worse off than the elite. Thats just a fact. But your argument that ONLY the rich benefit from them is factually incorrect as ive pointed out with actual evidence of real life people and situations to back that up over 2 posts.
Ive never said the elite dont benefit from any tax breaks, nor have I said the poorest households are living their best lives and splashing cash on 3 holidays a year etc. However, the tax personal tax rise didnt just help out the rich and the elite as you seem to think.

I get it, you're a left wing, Tory hater. And to admit that the poor have benefitted in any way from their policies is hard to admit. But my mum and dad, me and my family and my partners mum (nurse) are ALL living proof that the lower end (20% and lower) tax bracket rise, has helped us greatly. Granted, with wages stagnating and cost of living sky rocketing its plateaud us back out again, but that's not because of the personal tax costs, that's just because its a fucking awful market to live in.

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[wingy]

So a couple of graphs of disposable income in a time where wages have stagnated and cost of living has doubled? Nice one

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But they haven't stagnated though have they, don't we know by now that they're the cause of inflation?

 

[DT-R]

But they haven't stagnated though have they, don't we know by now that they're the cause of inflation?

Which still has nothing to do with part time workers being able to earn an extra £2k a year before paying tax though?

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[PVA]

The poorest in society will always be worse off than the elite. Thats just a fact. But your argument that ONLY the rich benefit from them is factually incorrect as ive pointed out with actual evidence of real life people and situations to back that up over 2 posts.
Ive never said the elite dont benefit from any tax breaks, nor have I said the poorest households are living their best lives and splashing cash on 3 holidays a year etc. However, the tax personal tax rise didnt just help out the rich and the elite as you seem to think.

I get it, you're a left wing, Tory hater. And to admit that the poor have benefitted in any way from their policies is hard to admit. But my mum and dad, me and my family and my partners mum (nurse) are ALL living proof that the lower end (20% and lower) tax bracket rise, has helped us greatly. Granted, with wages stagnating and cost of living sky rocketing its plateaud us back out again, but that's not because of the personal tax costs, that's just because its a fucking awful market to live in.

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Your anecdotal evidence is fine, but the facts are Tory policy adversely and unfairly affected the poorest.

It's right there in the chart, regardless of your personal experience (and I'm glad you did well out of it).