Do you want to discuss boring politics? (42 Viewers)

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

It's not 'convenient', it's pretty clear from the results - the Reform gains correlate with Tory losses.

Reform have (at time of writing) gained 547 councillors, Tories have lost 531.

Nobody is saying this is a great result for Labour, but they haven't lost a single council (again, at time of writing).

With 4 councils to finally declare, Labour have lost two-thirds of their councillors (down by 168 to 82). They haven't lost any because they lost most of them in 2021. They lost Durham to NOC in 2021, but were still by far the biggest group. They are now down to 4 councillors.

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

So if you agree with him (which is no shock as you are a halfwit) then can you please tell us which "main labour councils" did labour stop from voting this year?

Newcastle?
Birmingham?
Manchester?
Leeds?
Islington?
Tower Hamlets?
Southwark?

Nope, instead it is apart from Thurrock they were Tory areas.

Also you point about Medway and Kent is frankly weird as if Angela Raynor was trying to fix the results then you would stop them from voting as they are likely to see large Reform gains?

You are arguing that it is bad that Labour agree to a number of councils requests to postpone their elections while at the same time saying it is bad they didn't postpone in other areas.

Did you know? That you can disagree with someone without being nasty…

Most of the places you mention are voting in 2026?

Kent is about as Tory as you can get so refusing that one particular postponement strikes me as odd. If you believe the Government didn’t want to mitigate any blows from the elections, it strikes me as naive.

@Mucca Mad Boys

These are the councils who wanted to postpone their elections until next year but were told no

Cambridgeshire, Derbyshire, Devon, Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire, Kent, Lancashire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Oxfordshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire.

If the idea was to stop Labour loses then they would of agreed to postpone Councils like Lancashire, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire.

In agreeing to postpone elections in East Sussex, West Sussex, Essex, Thurrock, Hampshire, the Isle of Wight, Norfolk, Suffolk and Surrey then have most likely protected tory councillors from Lib Dem and Reform challengers.

There's no reasonable argument to say Angela Raynor fixed anything, the evidence simply points the other way.

I just point out it was odd to reject a postponement for KCC because they specifically asked to postpone their council elections.

Lancashire - did not request a postponement
Leicestershire - only 2 Labour councillors going into polling
Nottinghamshire - also a Tory majority area

You coming after me like this is ironic on three counts. 1) the areas you mention weren’t Labour run 2) the big Labour run councils don’t have elections this year and 3) the Reform and the Lib Dem argument is that Labour and Conservative from ‘denying democracy’ precisely because the examples you used where Reform and Lib Dem would eviscerate the Tories between them.

It’s all white noise to me because I don’t particularly look into local elections too much. It’s a good chance for people to protest vote and send a message to the main parties. If they don’t heed the warnings, they’ve been warned for the next General Election.

The results are terrible for both Tory and Labour. No amount of spin changes that.

 

[MalcSB]

lol

that is the funniest thing I read today

no one said how well tories done with Covid

tory downfall started with the witch-hunt of Boris

A witch hunt led by someone who wasn’t as impartial as was suggested, in Sue Gray. Assisted by a poisonous insider in Dominic. Cummings. Consuming beer and curry less heinous than not eating cake.

Tory downfall broadly self inflicted.

 

[Grendel]

It's not 'convenient', it's pretty clear from the results - the Reform gains correlate with Tory losses.

Reform have (at time of writing) gained 547 councillors, Tories have lost 531.

Nobody is saying this is a great result for Labour, but they haven't lost a single council (again, at time of writing).

Labour were only defending 300 seats and they’ve lost nearly 200 of them

The Lib Dem’s have gained from the tories in certain middle belt areas it’s not a direct swap

 

[David O'Day]

Did you know? That you can disagree with someone without being nasty…

Most of the places you mention are voting in 2026?

Kent is about as Tory as you can get so refusing that one particular postponement strikes me as odd. If you believe the Government didn’t want to mitigate any blows from the elections, it strikes me as naive.



I just point out it was odd to reject a postponement for KCC because they specifically asked to postpone their council elections.

Lancashire - did not request a postponement
Leicestershire - only 2 Labour councillors going into polling
Nottinghamshire - also a Tory majority area

You coming after me like this is ironic on three counts. 1) the areas you mention weren’t Labour run 2) the big Labour run councils don’t have elections this year and 3) the Reform and the Lib Dem argument is that Labour and Conservative from ‘denying democracy’ precisely because the examples you used where Reform and Lib Dem would eviscerate the Tories between them.

It’s all white noise to me because I don’t particularly look into local elections too much. It’s a good chance for people to protest vote and send a message to the main parties. If they don’t heed the warnings, they’ve been warned for the next General Election.

The results are terrible for both Tory and Labour. No amount of spin changes that.

Sorry I meant Derbyshire

Frankly why should I be nice to some who is basically making up bullshit to defend their liking of a far right conspiracy post.

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You coming after me like this is ironic on three counts. 1) the areas you mention weren’t Labour run 2) the big Labour run councils don’t have elections this year and 3) the Reform and the Lib Dem argument is that Labour and Conservative from ‘denying democracy’ precisely because the examples you used where Reform and Lib Dem would eviscerate the Tories between them."

This doesn't matter, the evidence just isn't there for what you claim.

I have also not in anyway claimed anything was good for Labour so why mention that?

As I said, if you want people on here and in life to take you seriously then don't like far right nonsense.

You are basically drowning not waving trying to prove something that was in the post you liked.

 

[Grendel]

That was great for Labour but I thought it would be much, much worse than that so far.

That was great for Labour …

 

[MalcSB]

They did a terrible job, blowing half a trillion on ridiculous unneeded measures and inflicting a novel and dangerous injection onto people.

The vaccination was novel, it’s called research and development. Was it dangerous per se?

 

[David O'Day]

That was great for Labour …

I apologise that was a typo, it is meant to say "that wasn't great for Labour".

Sorry fella, you'll have to delete that from you spreadsheet

 

[Grendel]

I apologise that was a typo, it is meant to say "that wasn't great for Labour".

Sorry fella, you'll have to delete that from you spreadsheet

I thought you had me on ignore?

 

[MalcSB]

Thats not a typical (midterm) local election result

It’s not even mid term for another 12 months, is it?

 

[David O'Day]

It’s not even mid term for another 12 months, is it?

To be fair people do use that term to describe non by elections i.e. local elections that fall in between general elections.

 

[David O'Day]

I thought you had me on ignore?

And miss people making you look silly? Nah, I've just learnt no to reply to you.

I made an exception this time to actually say sorry and say I had made a typo and I can see where any confusion maybe.

Sorry mate, toodle pip and all that.

 

[Captain Dart]

The vaccination was novel, it’s called research and development. Was it dangerous per se?

So your idea of responsible is to experiment on half the planet.
You haven't even listened to the podcast I posted, there hasn't been time.

Come back after you at least give your confirmation bias a jolt.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So your idea of responsible is to experiment on half the planet.
You haven't even listened to the podcast I posted, there hasn't been time.

Come back after you at least give your confirmation bias a jolt.

It wasn’t unleashed on the world with no previous trials. What are your scientific credentials out of interest?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Sorry I meant Derbyshire

Frankly why should I be nice to some who is basically making up bullshit to defend their liking of a far right conspiracy post.

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You coming after me like this is ironic on three counts. 1) the areas you mention weren’t Labour run 2) the big Labour run councils don’t have elections this year and 3) the Reform and the Lib Dem argument is that Labour and Conservative from ‘denying democracy’ precisely because the examples you used where Reform and Lib Dem would eviscerate the Tories between them."

This doesn't matter, the evidence just isn't there for what you claim.

I have also not in anyway claimed anything was good for Labour so why mention that?

As I said, if you want people on here and in life to take you seriously then don't like far right nonsense.

You are basically drowning not waving trying to prove something that was in the post you liked.

Despite the correction, Derbyshire was also a Tory run council since 2017…

We’ve gone down a rabbit role, the essential point why I liked the post was the rebuttal to this idea that Labour didn’t have a bad election night.

They’ve lost support up and down the country and if they’d held support from the GE, they’d be winning councils like Durham back from NOC because the incumbents were Tories who’s support has collapsed.

If you think the Government of the day try to manage the news cycle, power to you. Each major party tries to redraw boundary lines to favour them in the next general election so it’s not really an outlandish idea that it may be convenient to defer council elections where you’d expect to get a trouncing.

 

[Grendel]

Despite the correction, Derbyshire was also a Tory run council since 2017…

We’ve gone down a rabbit role, the essential point why I liked the post was the rebuttal to this idea that Labour didn’t have a bad election night.

They’ve lost support up and down the country and if they’d held support from the GE, they’d be winning councils like Durham back from NOC because the incumbents were Tories who’s support has collapsed.

If you think the Government of the day try to manage the news cycle, power to you. Each major party tries to redraw boundary lines to favour them in the next general election so it’s not really an outlandish idea that it may be convenient to defer council elections where you’d expect to get a trouncing.

They’ve lost 7 out of every 10 seats they were defending

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

They’ve lost 7 out of every 10 seats they were defending

Any sensible Labour figure will be thinking they need another hard reset.

The Red Wall would almost certainly turn teal if there was an election anytime soon. If Reform hit that 30% threshold that the electoral system favours you, that could be cataclysmic for the Tories and decimate Labour in its old traditional heartlands.

 

[David O'Day]

Despite the correction, Derbyshire was also a Tory run council since 2017…

We’ve gone down a rabbit role, the essential point why I liked the post was the rebuttal to this idea that Labour didn’t have a bad election night.

They’ve lost support up and down the country and if they’d held support from the GE, they’d be winning councils like Durham back from NOC because the incumbents were Tories who’s support has collapsed.

If you think the Government of the day try to manage the news cycle, power to you. Each major party tries to redraw boundary lines to favour them in the next general election so it’s not really an outlandish idea that it may be convenient to defer council elections where you’d expect to get a trouncing.

Once again you have missed the point.

1) The post you liked claimed that Labour had postponed the votes in their "main" councils. That is a lie.

2) It doesn't matter how many seats Labour were defending, If they really want to fix any results there were better councils for them to postpone so I thank you for proving my point.

3) Why are you still claiming I think the results are in anyway good for Labour? We have already established I don't.

4) Who has mentioned electoral boundaries? Has anyone mentioned these?

So, are you going to admit that the post you liked was factually bullshit? That is the point here.

 

[Captain Dart]

 

[David O'Day]

@Mucca Mad Boys adios, I have a lovely new Rickenbacker 360 and frankly I'd rather be having a play with that.

I've let you change the subject but if you would like to prove that the statement that Labours main councils have had their elections postponed then feel free to post it.

Until then peace

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Once again you have missed the point.

1) The post you liked claimed that Labour had postponed the votes in their "main" councils. That is a lie.

2) It doesn't matter how many seats Labour were defending, If they really want to fix any results there were better councils for them to postpone so I thank you for proving my point.

3) Why are you still claiming I think the results are in anyway good for Labour? We have already established I don't.

4) Who has mentioned electoral boundaries? Has anyone mentioned these?

So, are you going to admit that the post you liked was factually bullshit? That is the point here.

No because I’ve given the reason why I liked it. It’s not untrue to state they’ve lost many councillors whilst many of the areas they have councillors haven’t had elections. It’s definitely mitigated their losses.

Point 4 was an example of how the governing party tries to manipulate the system in their favour. They don’t explicitly state that they’re cynically redrawing the boundaries to maximise their voter in each constituency.

Despite the petty insults, enjoy playing your guitar.

 

[David O'Day]

No because I’ve given the reason why I liked it. It’s not untrue to state they’ve lost many councillors whilst many of the areas they have councillors haven’t had elections. It’s definitely mitigated their losses.

Point 4 was an example of how the governing party tries to manipulate the system in their favour. They don’t explicitly state that they’re cynically redrawing the boundaries to maximise their voter in each constituency.

Despite the petty insults, enjoy playing your guitar.

Oh once again you pretend that the post made that post separately from the basic lie that followed it

Cheerio

 

[Rodders1]

Fuck me… abroad at the mo. Depressing seeing the reform vote….. Surrounded by cretins….

 

[The Philosopher]

Genuinely whose burner account is this?

@The Philosopher?

Err….

No.

I’m still Tory federation chairman up here, for my sins.

Reform are taking the Conservative Party apart. The views espoused by the DT-R poster are widely held. I’m not going to comment either way other than that.

I will say, there is a revolt against suppression of patriotism going on now.

Humans are tribal.

Here’s a clear point:

Our tribe wears sky blue and eats batches. When on holiday, we are more likely to talk to a stranger wearing a sky blue shirt than a claret-and-blue one. Right? Obviously. Doesn’t mean we will throw a paella at the Villa fan.

People should be allowed to be patriotic about their own tribe. We all cheer on our England team no matter the colour of the player’s skin. You could call that tribalism or patriotism or even nationalism (not to be confused with ethno-nationalism).

To sneer at folks for objecting to people jumping the queue (which is what the majority of boat migrants are doing) is driving more and more to adopt the Reform party.

Let’s say Celtic and Rangers wanted a better life and the EFL announced tonight “we are placing them in the play offs with
Sheff U and Sunderland. Cov and Bristol, sorry chaps”. I’d wager we’d be upset. That isn’t racism, it’s just queue jumping and it’s unfair.

There are a lot of working class people who set their alarms for 6am who are struggling to get by who are upset at unfairness. To label them “stupid” or “cretins” or “racists” is plain sneering.

These people are, on these election results, possibly the silent majority.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Err….

No.

I’m still Tory federation chairman up here, for my sins.

Reform are taking the Conservative Party apart. The views espoused by the DT-R poster are widely held. I’m not going to comment either way other than that.

I will say, there is a revolt against suppression of patriotism going on now.

Humans are tribal.

Here’s a clear point:

Our tribe wears sky blue and eats batches. When on holiday, we are more likely to talk to a stranger wearing a sky blue shirt than a claret-and-blue one. Right? Obviously. Doesn’t mean we will throw a paella at the Villa fan.

People should be allowed to be patriotic about their own tribe. We all cheer on our England team no matter the colour of the player’s skin. You could call that tribalism or patriotism or even nationalism (not to be confused with ethno-nationalism).

To sneer at folks for objecting to people jumping the queue (which is what the majority of boat migrants are doing) is driving more and more to adopt the Reform party.

Let’s say Celtic and Rangers wanted a better life and the EFL announced tonight “we are placing them in the play offs with
Sheff U and Sunderland. Cov and Bristol, sorry chaps”. I’d wager we’d be upset. That isn’t racism, it’s just queue jumping and it’s unfair.

There are a lot of working class people who set their alarms for 6am who are struggling to get by who are upset at unfairness. To label them “stupid” or “cretins” or “racists” is plain sneering.

These people are, on these election results, possibly the silent majority.

I just don’t get it
Farage doesn’t give a shit about them as he’s proved time and time again

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I just don’t get it
Farage doesn’t give a shit about them as he’s proved time and time again

Out of interest, how many times has he actually been to Clacton since he got elected? Has he ever done a surgery?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Out of interest, how many times has he actually been to Clacton since he got elected? Has he ever done a surgery?

Once but he has a team

 

[Ashdown]

Err….

No.

I’m still Tory federation chairman up here, for my sins.

Reform are taking the Conservative Party apart. The views espoused by the DT-R poster are widely held. I’m not going to comment either way other than that.

I will say, there is a revolt against suppression of patriotism going on now.

Humans are tribal.

Here’s a clear point:

Our tribe wears sky blue and eats batches. When on holiday, we are more likely to talk to a stranger wearing a sky blue shirt than a claret-and-blue one. Right? Obviously. Doesn’t mean we will throw a paella at the Villa fan.

People should be allowed to be patriotic about their own tribe. We all cheer on our England team no matter the colour of the player’s skin. You could call that tribalism or patriotism or even nationalism (not to be confused with ethno-nationalism).

To sneer at folks for objecting to people jumping the queue (which is what the majority of boat migrants are doing) is driving more and more to adopt the Reform party.

Let’s say Celtic and Rangers wanted a better life and the EFL announced tonight “we are placing them in the play offs with
Sheff U and Sunderland. Cov and Bristol, sorry chaps”. I’d wager we’d be upset. That isn’t racism, it’s just queue jumping and it’s unfair.

There are a lot of working class people who set their alarms for 6am who are struggling to get by who are upset at unfairness. To label them “stupid” or “cretins” or “racists” is plain sneering.

These people are, on these election results, possibly the silent majority.

Fabulous post !!

 

[Ian1779]

Err….

No.

I’m still Tory federation chairman up here, for my sins.

Reform are taking the Conservative Party apart. The views espoused by the DT-R poster are widely held. I’m not going to comment either way other than that.

I will say, there is a revolt against suppression of patriotism going on now.

Humans are tribal.

Here’s a clear point:

Our tribe wears sky blue and eats batches. When on holiday, we are more likely to talk to a stranger wearing a sky blue shirt than a claret-and-blue one. Right? Obviously. Doesn’t mean we will throw a paella at the Villa fan.

People should be allowed to be patriotic about their own tribe. We all cheer on our England team no matter the colour of the player’s skin. You could call that tribalism or patriotism or even nationalism (not to be confused with ethno-nationalism).

To sneer at folks for objecting to people jumping the queue (which is what the majority of boat migrants are doing) is driving more and more to adopt the Reform party.

Let’s say Celtic and Rangers wanted a better life and the EFL announced tonight “we are placing them in the play offs with
Sheff U and Sunderland. Cov and Bristol, sorry chaps”. I’d wager we’d be upset. That isn’t racism, it’s just queue jumping and it’s unfair.

There are a lot of working class people who set their alarms for 6am who are struggling to get by who are upset at unfairness. To label them “stupid” or “cretins” or “racists” is plain sneering.

These people are, on these election results, possibly the silent majority.

I just wish they would direct their justified ire at the right people.

It’s not the fault of economic migrants or asylum seekers - it’s the fault of those that run our country and believe that profit is more valuable than any other measure of human activity.

There’s nothing more unpatriotic than stripping a country bare in the pursuit of hoarding money.

 

[Sick Boy]

Fabulous post !!

Aren’t you an immigrant yourself?

There’s a lot of anger against second home owners and Airbnbs in places like Spain and Italy because of the impact they have on locals who are unable to buy houses due to the inflated prices.

What job do you do in Spain, out of interest? Presumably you’re paying taxes?

 

[Ashdown]

Aren’t you an immigrant yourself?

There’s a lot of anger against second home owners and Airbnbs in places like Spain and Italy because of the impact they have on locals who are unable to buy houses due to the inflated prices.

What job do you do in Spain, out of interest? Presumably you’re paying taxes?

Err no, we just come and go to Spain at the moment, so still make our money in the UK. How do you think we’ve been to so many City matches. We spend a lot of money in Spain, pay our non residents taxes, have health insurance, contribute to community charges etc . We take nothing only give and no we don’t rent out the place. Oh and we learnt the language. So no we’re not comparable to some of the people other posters are discussing! PUSB

 

[Sick Boy]

Err no, we just come and go to Spain at the moment, so still make our money in the UK. How do you think we’ve been to so many City matches. We spend a lot of money in Spain, pay our non residents taxes, have health insurance, contribute to community charges etc . We take nothing only give and no we don’t rent out the place. Oh and we learnt the language. So no we’re not comparable to some of the people other posters are discussing! PUSB

Wow that’s a surprise.
The locals would disagree with your self-assessment of the impact of second homeowners and their role in the housing crises though.

 

[shmmeee]

Err….

No.

I’m still Tory federation chairman up here, for my sins.

Reform are taking the Conservative Party apart. The views espoused by the DT-R poster are widely held. I’m not going to comment either way other than that.

I will say, there is a revolt against suppression of patriotism going on now.

Humans are tribal.

Here’s a clear point:

Our tribe wears sky blue and eats batches. When on holiday, we are more likely to talk to a stranger wearing a sky blue shirt than a claret-and-blue one. Right? Obviously. Doesn’t mean we will throw a paella at the Villa fan.

People should be allowed to be patriotic about their own tribe. We all cheer on our England team no matter the colour of the player’s skin. You could call that tribalism or patriotism or even nationalism (not to be confused with ethno-nationalism).

To sneer at folks for objecting to people jumping the queue (which is what the majority of boat migrants are doing) is driving more and more to adopt the Reform party.

Let’s say Celtic and Rangers wanted a better life and the EFL announced tonight “we are placing them in the play offs with
Sheff U and Sunderland. Cov and Bristol, sorry chaps”. I’d wager we’d be upset. That isn’t racism, it’s just queue jumping and it’s unfair.

There are a lot of working class people who set their alarms for 6am who are struggling to get by who are upset at unfairness. To label them “stupid” or “cretins” or “racists” is plain sneering.

These people are, on these election results, possibly the silent majority.

30% isn’t a majority. The fact 30% of the population is stupid and/or racist is not a revelation it’s a fact of democracies.

 

[Sick Boy]

I just wish they would direct their justified ire at the right people.

It’s not the fault of economic migrants or asylum seekers - it’s the fault of those that run our country and believe that profit is more valuable than any other measure of human activity.

There’s nothing more unpatriotic than stripping a country bare in the pursuit of hoarding money.

Yeah, the likes of Farage would just widen that gap between the rich and poor and screw over ordinary people. He's made it quite clear that the NHS would be binned and farmers screwed over.

 

[SBAndy]

Yeah, the likes of Farage would just widen that gap between the rich and poor and screw over ordinary people. He's made it quite clear that the NHS would be binned and farmers screwed over.

Can’t be true, our Nige is a champion of the people. He drinks pints and everything!