Do you want to discuss boring politics? (26 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yes. Even this government promised to end the small boats scandal by ‘smashing the gangs’. This issue has actually got worse since Labour has come in.

Has it

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm not sure they will be judged on if the councils work. If they fail they'll still blame the government for not allowing them to do what they want.

I'm trying to be positive and think that local elections are used for protest votes and it's far better that these nutters are put in now than in a GE. But part of me thinks it'll just give Reform this platform to make people think that they're a viable option for govt.

I agree

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Assuming you’re right, how does that make him different from Starmer or Badenoch? Politicians by their nature are ‘in it’ for themselves.

Talk to working class people up and down the country, they identify with Farage because he speaks their language and is the strongest on the issues they care about.

Looking at how badly some of the councils are being run up and down the country, it can’t probably can’t get that much worse by voting Reform or Greens for arguments sake.

He speaks their language despite the fact he's another priviliged man with a career in the City. He even dresses like a landowner half the time.

If people actually paid attention their last manifesto actually said they would do nothing to limit immigration for things like the NHS / social services, which makes up a vast majority of the numbers. Meanwhile it said loads about tax cuts for the rich and huge cuts to public spending including in education, mental health care and talks of increased privatisation of the NHS.

It is turkeys voting for the Xmas and Thanksgiving Party run by Bernard Matthews.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why do you think people are ‘dumb’?

the reason people are voting is because the country is turning to the pits and most people know why

Because these people believe they 'know why' the country is 'turning to the pits'.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

In other news, a day after signing the minerals deal the US announces they're stepping back from the negotiations and Vance has announced the war in Ukraine won't be ending soon.

In other words, we've got what we wanted so now we're going to fuck off.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Has it

Yep, a quick google search confirms. It’s hit 10k already this year, a new record YoY.

Labour’s whole schtick was that they’re not the Tories and will make things better… The electorate was quickly cottoned onto the fact they’ll make things worse.

 

[PVA]

Conveniently you ignore all the Labour losses too

It's not 'convenient', it's pretty clear from the results - the Reform gains correlate with Tory losses.

Reform have (at time of writing) gained 547 councillors, Tories have lost 531.

Nobody is saying this is a great result for Labour, but they haven't lost a single council (again, at time of writing).

 

[David O'Day]

Okay, t

It's not 'convenient', it's pretty clear from the results - the Reform gains correlate with Tory losses.

Reform have (at time of writing) gained 547 councillors, Tories have lost 531.

Nobody is saying this is a great result for Labour, but they haven't lost a single council (again, at time of writing).

He'll accuse you of living in a different world soon

 

[GIMOC]

Because these people believe they 'know why' the country is 'turning to the pits'.

we all know why.

just some bury their heads in the sand

 

[David O'Day]

Be interesting to see how reform run councils get on when they see it is less fighting them on the beaches and more fighting to get the bins collected

Also what do the tories do? They have tacked so hard to the right to try and fight off Reform at the expense of their traditional tory centre right. Do they keep tacking right or to they try to claw back the moderates?

 

[Ian1779]

No, it's about people's eyes finally being opened. It's about your gran not being able to put her heating on whilst the government pay hundreds of thousands putting Johnny foreigner in the ibis. It's about hospitals being over ran and months of waiting lists while Johnny foreigner who's paid nothing towards it is taking up a space in the queue.

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And nothing to do with your hospital services being sold off to the highest bidder whilst the services are then degraded to their basic minimum to manufacture profit?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Be interesting to see how reform run councils get on when they see it is less fighting them on the beaches and more fighting to get the bins collected

Also what do the tories do? They have tacked so hard to the right to try and fight off Reform at the expense of their traditional tory centre right. Do they keep tacking right or to they try to claw back the moderates?

Interesting to see the Lib Dems win everything in Stratford which is about as blue as the sea

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yep, a quick google search confirms. It’s hit 10k already this year, a new record YoY.

Labour’s whole schtick was that they’re not the Tories and will make things better… The electorate was quickly cottoned onto the fact they’ll make things worse.

Oh you’re just measuring the number of people who’ve come in across the channel
Oh ok that’s not the only important figure or factor

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It's not 'convenient', it's pretty clear from the results - the Reform gains correlate with Tory losses.

Reform have (at time of writing) gained 547 councillors, Tories have lost 531.

Nobody is saying this is a great result for Labour, but they haven't lost a single council (again, at time of writing).

Reform is winning councils you’d expect Labour to be governing. County Durham being a Labour stronghold.

Even in the Cambridgeshire mayoralty, Labour have slipped to 3rd and lost to both the Tories and Reform.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Oh you’re just measuring the number of people who’ve come in across the channel
Oh ok that’s not the only important figure or factor

What is an important figure or factor? This just vague stuff Pete.

 

[David O'Day]

Oh you’re just measuring the number of people who’ve come in across the channel
Oh ok that’s not the only important figure or factor

he's a walking talking lesson on confirmation bias

 

[GIMOC]

It's not 'convenient', it's pretty clear from the results - the Reform gains correlate with Tory losses.

Reform have (at time of writing) gained 547 councillors, Tories have lost 531.

Nobody is saying this is a great result for Labour, but they haven't lost a single council (again, at time of writing).

They’ve lost over 150 councillors

Labour made sure their main councils didn’t go to vote because of a ‘reorganisation ’ and delayed by a year

 

[Sick Boy]

I do think that Labour are currently sleepwalking into handing power to Reform in the long term. Of course the poorest in society would be much worse off under Reform though.

 

[David O'Day]

They’ve lost over 150 councillors

Labour made sure their main councils didn’t go to vote because of a ‘reorganisation ’ and delayed by a year

absolute nonsense

The councils that didn't vote this year were East Sussex, West Sussex, Essex, Thurrock, Hampshire, the Isle of Wight, Norfolk, Suffolk and Surrey. Which even you can see are not "main councils" for Labour.

The other councils such as Coventry that didn't vote are just not due to vote this year, there's fallow years in council election cycles.

Council shake-up sees elections delayed in nine areas

Angela Rayner says the reorganisation marks a generational power shift but the Tories say it is a "worrying day".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[David O'Day]

@Mucca Mad Boys

You want to be taken seriously and then you like a post from GIMOC that is demonstrably untrue.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

@Mucca Mad Boys

You want to be taken seriously and then you like a post from GIMOC that is demonstrably untrue.

You’re right, they’ve not lost 150 councillors… it’s 137 and voting is yet to end.

The only reason the results don’t look as bad on Labour is because their historically bad 2021 performance lead to a disproportionate amount of Tory wins.

If there was a general election tomorrow, there’d probably be a hung parliament which is itself a damning verdict on this Government.

 

[David O'Day]

You’re right, they’ve not lost 150 councillors… it’s 137 and voting is yet to end.

The only reason the results don’t look as bad on Labour is because their historically bad 2021 performance lead to a disproportionate amount of Tory wins.

If there was a general election tomorrow, there’d probably be a hung parliament which is itself a damning verdict on this Government.

Once again you miss the point, he was saying that labour would have a lot more losses is because Labour stopped elections in their "main councils". That is what I pointed out you liked

You are the poster boy for confirmation bias.

As I said you want so badly to be taken seriously and yet like easily provable lies and then when challenged post nonsense.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You’re right, they’ve not lost 150 councillors… it’s 137 and voting is yet to end.

The only reason the results don’t look as bad on Labour is because their historically bad 2021 performance lead to a disproportionate amount of Tory wins.

If there was a general election tomorrow, there’d probably be a hung parliament which is itself a damning verdict on this Government.

You’d probably have a Lab-Lib coalition put against a Reform-Tory

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Once again you miss the point, he was saying that labour would have a lot more losses is because Labour stopped elections in their "main councils". That is what I pointed out you liked

You are the poster boy for confirmation bias.

As I said you want so badly to be taken seriously and yet like easily provable lies and then when challenged post nonsense.

The part I ‘liked’ about the post was about losing 150 councillors because the reply was to someone downplaying the impact of the results on Labour.

Seriously, you sound like a petty schoolchild ranting about who liked so and so’s post…

 

[David O'Day]

The part I ‘liked’ about the post was about losing 150 councillors because the reply was to someone downplaying the impact of the results on Labour.

No you liked a post that said this

"They’ve lost over 150 councillors

Labour made sure their main councils didn’t go to vote because of a ‘reorganisation ’ and delayed by a year"

There are not separate points, he is claiming that Labour loses would be much high than his already incorrect figure if they hadn't "made sure their main councils didn’t go to vote because of a ‘reorganisation ’ and delayed by a year" is is a pretty disgusting and easily provable lie.

So at best make sure you read what you are liking and try and stop your massive inbuilt confirmation bias from only noticing the bits that agree with your already formed views.

You would end up liking untrue conspiracy theories then.

 

[Captain Dart]

Peer reviewed evidence? OK

I'm not playing that game but here is a reasoned discussion of technical problems in the mRNA platform.

Professor Bhattacharya is currently the Director of the US National Institutes of Health having stepped down from his post at Stanford to take the role.

 

[David O'Day]

I'm not playing that game but here is a reasoned discussion of technical problems in the mRNA platform.

Professor Bhattacharya is currently the Director of the US National Institutes of Health having stepped down from his post at Stanford to take the role.

A YouTube video, that's him told

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[chiefdave]

Why do you think people are ‘dumb’?

I didn’t say people were dumb, I said we were told not to worry about Trumps apparent popularity as people wouldn’t be dumb enough to vote for him.

Turned out people did vote for him.

We’re now being told not to worry about Reform as its only council elections, people won’t vote for them in a general election etc

I’ll leave it up to you if you think voting for Trump or Reform is a good idea.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No you liked a post that said this

"They’ve lost over 150 councillors

Labour made sure their main councils didn’t go to vote because of a ‘reorganisation ’ and delayed by a year"

There are not separate points, he is claiming that Labour loses would be much high than his already incorrect figure if they hadn't "made sure their main councils didn’t go to vote because of a ‘reorganisation ’ and delayed by a year" is is a pretty disgusting and easily provable lie.

So at best make sure you read what you are liking and try and stop your massive inbuilt confirmation bias from only noticing the bits that agree with your already formed views.

You would end up liking untrue conspiracy theories then.

You are projecting here about confirmation biases. Anyway, you and GIMOC to battle this one out.

From my perspective, had the whole country gone to the polls, Labour would be facing much worse headlines today. Even today has seen them fall below the Greens in number of councillors.

It does seem convenient that the government chose the councils that were being reorganised and Angela Rayner herself got to decide which council elections to allow a postponement… Given that she rejected requests from Kent & Medway councils for postponed elections.

I am 100% sure that postponement request would have been rejected even if the KCC was a Labour stronghold…

Kent County Council to request elections delay for devolution - BBC News

At the meeting on Thursday, the cabinet went in favour of the government's Devolution White Paper.

www.bbc.co.uk

https://www.kent.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/175148/KCC-Election-Postponement-Letter.pdf

 

[David O'Day]

You are projecting here about confirmation biases. Anyway, you and GIMOC to battle this one out.

From my perspective, had the whole country gone to the polls, Labour would be facing much worse headlines today. Even today has seen them fall below the Greens in number of councillors.

It does seem convenient that the government chose the councils that were being reorganised and Angela Rayner herself got to decide which council elections to allow a postponement… Given that she rejected requests from Kent & Medway councils for postponed elections.

I am 100% sure that postponement request would have been rejected even if the KCC was a Labour stronghold…

Kent County Council to request elections delay for devolution - BBC News

At the meeting on Thursday, the cabinet went in favour of the government's Devolution White Paper.

www.bbc.co.uk

https://www.kent.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/175148/KCC-Election-Postponement-Letter.pdf

So if you agree with him (which is no shock as you are a halfwit) then can you please tell us which "main labour councils" did labour stop from voting this year?

Newcastle?
Birmingham?
Manchester?
Leeds?
Islington?
Tower Hamlets?
Southwark?

Nope, instead it is apart from Thurrock they were Tory areas.

Also you point about Medway and Kent is frankly weird as if Angela Raynor was trying to fix the results then you would stop them from voting as they are likely to see large Reform gains?

You are arguing that it is bad that Labour agree to a number of councils requests to postpone their elections while at the same time saying it is bad they didn't postpone in other areas.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yep, a quick google search confirms. It’s hit 10k already this year, a new record YoY.

Labour’s whole schtick was that they’re not the Tories and will make things better… The electorate was quickly cottoned onto the fact they’ll make things worse.

And Reform would do the same schtick ramped up to 11 and have similar results.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

we all know why.

just some bury their heads in the sand

Congratulations!

You win the prize for being the first to confirm themselves as an idiot with the reply.

But then you do believe in chemtrails so it's not exactly news is it...?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'm not playing that game but here is a reasoned discussion of technical problems in the mRNA platform.

Professor Bhattacharya is currently the Director of the US National Institutes of Health having stepped down from his post at Stanford to take the role.

The same Health Dept run by a known vaccine sceptic...?

They've got education being run by a woman from wrestling FFS! A woman who thinks "A1" is going to be pivotal in the classroom.

This administration is not known for its intellectual abilities.

 

[David O'Day]

@Mucca Mad Boys

These are the councils who wanted to postpone their elections until next year but were told no

Cambridgeshire, Derbyshire, Devon, Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire, Kent, Lancashire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Oxfordshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire.

If the idea was to stop Labour loses then they would of agreed to postpone Councils like Lancashire, Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire.

In agreeing to postpone elections in East Sussex, West Sussex, Essex, Thurrock, Hampshire, the Isle of Wight, Norfolk, Suffolk and Surrey then have most likely protected tory councillors from Lib Dem and Reform challengers.

There's no reasonable argument to say Angela Raynor fixed anything, the evidence simply points the other way.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm not playing that game but here is a reasoned discussion of technical problems in the mRNA platform.

Professor Bhattacharya is currently the Director of the US National Institutes of Health having stepped down from his post at Stanford to take the role.

I understand the science and trust both the literature on vaccine safety and the people who spend their lives working on them.