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Grendel

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,881
PVA said:
I know, but many people can't seem to accept that or come to terms with it.
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It’s irrelevant to her remarks which are a parody of a thatcher speech on good housekeeping
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,882
duffer said:
I'm all for free speech, but anyone who claims election interference needs to suffer some sort of legal consequence if they're shown to be just making it up.

This is a dangerous road to go down, and like Trump, will be used to justify all kinds of horrendous statements and behaviour.
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Should come under existing legislation around inciting violence TBH. That’s the aim of it. Just hate preaching so treat him the same as Abu Hamza.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,883
Oh we’re doing “why don’t a party trying to get elected talk to me, a person with fringe views, in the run up and why do they keep talking like those idiots in the public I don’t like and not to me specifically”

Such fun
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,884
shmmeee said:
Oh we’re doing “why don’t a party trying to get elected talk to me, a person with fringe views, in the run up and why do they keep talking like those idiots in the public I don’t like and not to me specifically”

Such fun
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Come on, don't run the economy like a family in a 2 up 2 down, fringe view?
It's awful.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,885
clint van damme said:
Come on, don't run the economy like a family in a 2 up 2 down, fringe view?
It's awful.
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They're vacuous soundbites for the gullible.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,886
shmmeee said:
Oh we’re doing “why don’t a party trying to get elected talk to me, a person with fringe views, in the run up and why do they keep talking like those idiots in the public I don’t like and not to me specifically”

Such fun
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It's not a fringe view you twat, it is a demonstrable fact that the government's budget is not the same as a household's. The only reason you'd pretend otherwise is to give you cover for austerity.

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shmmeee

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,887
clint van damme said:
Come on, don't run the economy like a family in a 2 up 2 down, fringe view?
It's awful.
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Yes it is! “The economy is like a credit card/household budget” is in fact the dominant narrative in this country.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,888
fernandopartridge said:
It's not a fringe view you twat, it is a demonstrable fact that the government's budget is not the same as a household's. The only reason you'd pretend otherwise is to give you cover for austerity.

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It is a fringe view you prick. Its veracity is irrelevant to that point. Voters think like this. Far more people are not voting Labour because they think like this than are not voting because they aren’t left wing enough or aren’t pro Palestine enough or anything else.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,889
shmmeee said:
Yes it is! “The economy is like a credit card/household budget” is in fact the dominant narrative in this country.
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Enforcing the narrative is very sensible isn't it

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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,890
What are Labour going to do when they inevitably never ever comply with their cast iron fiscal rules? Destroy themselves over it or tell it like it is?

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SBT

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,891
Sick Boy said:
They're vacuous soundbites for the gullible.
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It’s undeniably vacuous but I assume that’s kind of the point when you’re being interviewed for the Telegraph’s weekend supplements. Or do they feature more articles on MMT than I give them credit for?
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 3, 2024
  • #33,892
fernandopartridge said:
Enforcing the narrative is very sensible isn't it

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The time to shift the narrative isn’t election year. This is “normies are just waking up and paying attention to politics which they last cared about a few years ago and have a general feeling Labour want to bankrupt the country”
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,893
Now back to assuming that anyone who isn’t in work is lazy or can’t be arsed

Labour: Young people will be expected to take up work and training

Liz Kendall says there's "no option of a life on benefits" for young people if Labour wins the election.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,894
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Now back to assuming that anyone who isn’t in work is lazy or can’t be arsed

Labour: Young people will be expected to take up work and training

Liz Kendall says there's "no option of a life on benefits" for young people if Labour wins the election.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I mean if you’re 16-24 and able bodied… probably? Not likely to be carers.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,895
At one point, around 10 years ago, there was talk of making education compulsory until 18 if you weren't working. Was that ever enacted?

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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,896
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Now back to assuming that anyone who isn’t in work is lazy or can’t be arsed

Labour: Young people will be expected to take up work and training

Liz Kendall says there's "no option of a life on benefits" for young people if Labour wins the election.
www.bbc.co.uk
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What's the training in? What jobs are unfilled that require training?

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shmmeee

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,897
fernandopartridge said:
At one point, around 10 years ago, there was talk of making education compulsory until 18 if you weren't working. Was that ever enacted?

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Yes. You have to be in some form of education until 18, been that way for years.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,898
Obligatory polls will tighten but let’s have fun looking at electoral calculus anyway. Worst IPSOS poll in its history for the Tories.

 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,899
shmmeee said:
Obligatory polls will tighten but let’s have fun looking at electoral calculus anyway. Worst IPSOS poll in its history for the Tories.

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I wonder if the calls within the Tories for Sunak to go will increase of the back of that or are they all resigned to their fate now? Been saying it for a while now but the longer they leave this the worse it will be for the Tories at the next GE. The country is fed up with them and their 14 years of failure, simple as. By leaving it longer all they’re doing is giving more opportunity for more people to have enough.

It’s also funny that it could end up being so bad that they’re not even the opposition party, Edd Davey to lead at PMQ’s.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,900
skybluetony176 said:
It’s also funny that it could end up being so bad that they’re not even the opposition party, Edd Davey to lead at PMQ’s.
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I don’t think that’s going to happen tony
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,901
shmmeee said:
Obligatory polls will tighten but let’s have fun looking at electoral calculus anyway. Worst IPSOS poll in its history for the Tories.

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My prediction is that it will turn out nothing like this. It is based on large swings in small numbers of by-elections, and ludicrously small samples of skewed demographics by the pollsters. Labour have plenty of opportunities to fuck it up between now and then.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,902
Grendel said:
I don’t think that’s going to happen tony
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I don’t either but I wouldn’t write it off. Sunak is awful, he can’t help but put his foot in it every time he opens his mouth, he just can’t cut through (see Friday nights press conference). I can see him being truly awful on the campaign trail, worse than Brown. Couple that with he has a party full of lunatics who are intent on dropping him in it to the point of what you can only assume deliberately sabotaging him. If Starmer can run a good campaign he could well take votes of the Lib Dem’s as well as Tories meaning whoever the opposition party is it will be marginal. I don’t expect the Lib Dem’s to win 47 seats but I also struggle to see the Tories winning 47 seats based on current polling even with polling narrowing nearer a confirmed GE. Assuming Sunak can last until that point.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,903
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
My prediction is that it will turn out nothing like this. It is based on large swings in small numbers of by-elections, and ludicrously small samples of skewed demographics by the pollsters. Labour have plenty of opportunities to fuck it up between now and then.
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If Labour managed to fuck it up from here it would be the greatest political fuck up of all time. The polling is consistent and has been for ages. Not sure what you’re on about with demographics, IPSOS, like every other BPC member uses representative samples.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,904
shmmeee said:
If Labour managed to fuck it up from here it would be the greatest political fuck up of all time. The polling is consistent and has been for ages. Not sure what you’re on about with demographics, IPSOS, like every other BPC member uses representative samples.
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There is "representative" and "statistically significant" - they still poll quite small numbers (usually in the single-figure thousands) and their methods may not reach all of the electorate, that's all.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,905
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
There is "representative" and "statistically significant" - they still poll quite small numbers (usually in the single-figure thousands) and their methods may not reach all of the electorate, that's all.
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Sorry man but this is cope. Polls are generally pretty reliable. A 1k representative sample gives a MoE of less than 3% at 95% CI.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,906

It's weird how Tories pretend to be libertarian when the reality is that they are extremely authoritarian.

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,907
fernandopartridge said:

It's weird how Tories pretend to be libertarian when the reality is that they are extremely authoritarian.

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Have you only just realised that?
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,908
If they are their constituents they can't stop engaging with anyone - that's what they are elected to do. Maybe don't engage with them through the railings of the Palace of Westminster or on the QE2 bridge. Is that what they mean??
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,909
shmmeee said:
Sorry man but this is cope. Polls are generally pretty reliable. A 1k representative sample gives a MoE of less than 3% at 95% CI.
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(don't know what "cope" means)
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,910
Deleted member 9744 said:
Have you only just realised that?
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No

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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,911
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Now back to assuming that anyone who isn’t in work is lazy or can’t be arsed

Labour: Young people will be expected to take up work and training

Liz Kendall says there's "no option of a life on benefits" for young people if Labour wins the election.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Im not sure that’s the case at all. There is currently a higher percentage of 18-24 years old out of work due to ill health than people on early 40s. Add to that the recent poll where I think 10% of those 18-24 out of work said they never intended to start working ?!

This just feels wrong and to not try to address this is a dereliction of duty to the young in this country whoever’s in power.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,912
CCFCSteve said:
Im not sure that’s the case at all. There is currently a higher percentage of 18-24 years old out of work due to ill health than people on early 40s. Add to that the recent poll where I think 10% of those 18-24 out of work said they never intended to start working ?!

This just feels wrong and to not try to address this is a dereliction of duty to the young in this country whoever’s in power.
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The idea that people don’t work simply because they don’t want to is what I take issue with.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,913
shmmeee said:
Yes. You have to be in some form of education until 18, been that way for years.
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It’s very easy for employers to get round that
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,914
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The idea that people don’t work simply because they don’t want to is what I take issue with.
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There are definitely people who don't work because they don't want to, I can assure you.

What I take issue with is the idea that everyone who doesn't work doesnt want to, again, I can categorically say that's not true.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 4, 2024
  • #33,915
clint van damme said:
There are definitely people who don't work because they don't want to, I can assure you.

What I take issue with is the idea that everyone who doesn't work doesnt want to, again, I can categorically say that's not true.
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Poorly phrased on my part, I meant your second sentence
 
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