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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 14, 2021
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shmmeee said:
But that’s the point. There’s been a couple of high profile “deplatofrming” incidents, and this wouldn’t have stopped them. Meanwhile the government are deplatforming anyone with views they don’t like in academia.

It’s total virtue signalling. Will do nothing to address the problem and they clearly don’t care about it anyway. Absolute dictionary definition.
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One that we'll have to disagree on.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,152
It’sabatch87 said:
Well Labour have suspended him so must be something in it.
You can’t have your cake and eat it!!
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What cake? Suspension is a standard part of investigation. You've gone from sharing racist Facebook groups to embracing cancel culture and being woke. Hell of a turnaround.
 
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SBAndy

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,153
It’sabatch87 said:
Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…
www.thesun.co.uk
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Do you spend your entire life scouring The Sun to find links to post on here?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 14, 2021
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fernandopartridge said:
Freedom of speech = freedom to deplatform, there is no inherent right of anybody to be given time to speak to students. It is down to the freedom of the university to decide (with steer from students). More culture war drivel that you're lapping up.
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I do wonder how it works in practice. Surely you have a finite amount of booking slots, and have the right to book who you want?!?
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,155
Deleted member 5849 said:
I do wonder how it works in practice. Surely you have a finite amount of booking slots, and have the right to book who you want?!?
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It’s more people who are booked then cancelled rather than people being booked at all.

The problem is a workplace rights issue. Lecturers have a right to work without harassment and all workers have a right to an employer who doesn’t sack them for a mild Twitter post.

If the government really wanted to stop cancel culture they’d bring forward a workers rights bill that prevented sacking for such trivial offences and strengthened worker action when they’re being bullied/harassed at work.

Yet funnily enough they’ve not done that, instead deciding to have a pointless bill that will achieve nothing but to signal to others that they care about this virtue.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 14, 2021
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shmmeee said:
It’s more people who are booked then cancelled rather than people being booked at all.
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But that's just it, you don't book in the first place, then!

The cancellations have been done thanks to popular protest, and I don't agree with that as such - go along and get a free heckle - but all that'll happen is there'll be no risk taken in who they book.

It'll be even more lefty!

I agree with the rest btw.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2021
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Deleted member 5849 said:
But that's just it, you don't book in the first place, then!

The cancellations have been done thanks to popular priest, and I don't agree with that as such - go along and get a free heckle - but all that'll happen is there'll be no risk taken in who they book.

It'll be even more lefty!

I agree with the rest btw.
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That’s their problem. They like employer freedom but not that employer freedom, they want to shut down speech they don’t like but don’t like others doing the same. They’re an essentially illiberal government trying a free speech grift, but the fundamentally can’t deliver as they don’t believe in free speech. FFS they get triggered whenever the opposition opposes them. Bunch of thin skinned snowflakes that they are.
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,158
It’sabatch87 said:
Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…
www.thesun.co.uk
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I wonder if you had this much outrage at Windrush.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,159
shmmeee said:
That’s their problem. They like employer freedom but not that employer freedom, they want to shut down speech they don’t like but don’t like others doing the same. They’re an essentially illiberal government trying a free speech grift, but the fundamentally can’t deliver as they don’t believe in free speech. FFS they get triggered whenever the opposition opposes them. Bunch of thin skinned snowflakes that they are.
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The acid test for me is would you permit someone to burn the Union flag
 

chiefdave

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  • May 14, 2021
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shmmeee said:
It’s more people who are booked then cancelled rather than people being booked at all.
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Are these things cancelled because the booker has had some moral epiphany or because they are worried about running the event safely? Seems unworkable, venue says we can't put this event on and guarantee everyone's safety and security - what happens then?
 

shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,161
chiefdave said:
Are these things cancelled because the booker has had some moral epiphany or because they are worried about running the event safely? Seems unworkable, venue says we can't put this event on and guarantee everyone's safety and security - what happens then?
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Safety is always the reason given.

If you ask me any student involved in making an event unsafe should be expelled and trespassers on campus should be prosecuted. That would stop it pretty quickly.
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • May 14, 2021
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It’sabatch87 said:
Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’

Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'

TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…
www.thesun.co.uk
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That’s shocking. Imagine the outrage on here if it was a Tory.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 14, 2021
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Boosh said:
That’s shocking. Imagine the outrage on here if it was a Tory.
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True, and another clumsy statement - though the actual hurt delivered is nothing like the regime of workplace bullying that Patel has presided over and engaged in.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,164
All the SBT Tories coming out as woke SJWs this morning!
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,165
shmmeee said:
All the SBT Tories coming out as woke SJWs this morning!
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The silent Majority on the forum
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,166
SkyBlueDom26 said:
The silent Majority on the forum
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Have you ever not missed the point, by accident? I mean law of averages suggests it should happen now and again.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,167
Just found out I’m blocked by my new Tory MP on Twitter.

Cancel culture is real.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,168
SkyBlueDom26 said:
The silent Majority on the forum
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ffs you talk utter shit
 

Marty

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,169
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The acid test for me is would you permit someone to burn the Union flag
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Yes.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,170
SkyBlueDom26 said:
The silent Majority on the forum
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They aren’t ever silent to be honest
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 14, 2021
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shmmeee said:
Safety is always the reason given.

If you ask me any student involved in making an event unsafe should be expelled and trespassers on campus should be prosecuted. That would stop it pretty quickly.
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Point of order, but many universities don't have a campus, they have buildings in public spaces - so you'd struggle to stop randomers congregating there.

Anyway, as you were
shmmeee said:
Just found out I’m blocked by my new Tory MP on Twitter.

Cancel culture is real.
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I never understand the MPs who only limit responses to people following them etc. I mean, the whole point of twitter is dialogue surely and of course you'll get a fair few morons calling you a wanker, and a fair number blowing smoke up your arse but... you can filter them / hide them if you must, but allow people to respond to whatever you put up, as how else can people feed bck to you?!?

And that includes negative feedback too.
 
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PVA

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,172
SkyBlueDom26 said:
The silent Majority on the forum
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If only you were
 
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PVA

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,173
This is perfectly normal behaviour...


 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,174
PVA said:
If only you were
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You hate the truth don't you PVA, deluded
 

David O'Day

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,175
PVA said:
If only you were
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also why would the majority of people on the forum for a club from a labour voting city be tory?
 
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PVA

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,176
SkyBlueDom26 said:
You hate the truth don't you PVA, deluded
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Says the bloke who thinks Voter ID cards are necessary... because of 6 cases of voter fraud out of 30 odd million votes
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,177
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It might not be the most popular view, but I really like our electoral system (FPTP). It produces disproportionate winners and losers, but it mostly allows for strong governance. You have the odd decade where parliament is weak (1970s and 2010s).

To take 2019 as an example, you’ve had the stress of Brexit on the electorate and parliamentary deadlock with no end in sight. The strong Tory majority allowed the country to finally see Brexit through and alleviate what was becoming a toxic political environment. That’s the beauty of majoritarian electoral systems.

On the continent, proportional representative systems lead to more fragmented political systems, and that’s not a good thing. Frankly, would we want the political system of Germany, Spain, Portugal and Italy? Germany has had a grand coalition for most of the 2010s because neither major party had a coalition partner it found acceptable.

I’m not a Tory, nor a Brexiteer.
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FPTP is fine, as long as it isn't the only way we have democratically elected parliament. We need a PR style upper house as well to oversee this rather than a heriditary system or one whereby the party in govt can elect new people to the upper chamber to gain control.

For me the benefit of FPTP is not necessarily strong govt but the election of a representative of a particular area in a constituency. Other systems can result in people not get the person/party most people actually want.

IMO on the larger scale it's our version of the electoral college, leading to skewed overall results. Plus a party that has control for a significant of time can also abuse their power. Gerry-mandering of boundaries to maximise your elected officials rather than represent the voters. Just this week in the Queen's Speech we've seen quite a few things that would consolidate power for the ruling party - voter ID for a non-existent problem that would only disenfranchise those less likely to vote for them. PM deciding when to hold an election so can pick and choose a time when they seem popular (like a footballer looking for a new contract in the middle of a purple patch). There were also parts about adding in further restrictions for protests and judicial reform. Plus in recent years the threat over the BBC funding that has resulted in far less scrutiny and criticism of the decisions or actions of the Tories plus the installation of a DG who is very much a follower of Tory ideals.

So basically, more power to govt, harder to vote for those who are less likely to vote for them, less opportunity to report or protest their actions or to take them to court. This is what 'strong governance' gets you in the end - autocracy and a shift towards extremes.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,178
shmmeee said:
But that’s the point. There’s been a couple of high profile “deplatofrming” incidents, and this wouldn’t have stopped them. Meanwhile the government are deplatforming anyone with views they don’t like in academia.

It’s total virtue signalling. Will do nothing to address the problem and they clearly don’t care about it anyway. Absolute dictionary definition.
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Government tells English schools not to use anti-capitalist material for teaching

Critics describe the guidance as "sinister", while a minister says it allows for a "curriculum that reflects diversity of views".
news.sky.com
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,179
Deleted member 5849 said:
But that's just it, you don't book in the first place, then!

The cancellations have been done thanks to popular protest, and I don't agree with that as such - go along and get a free heckle - but all that'll happen is there'll be no risk taken in who they book.

It'll be even more lefty!

I agree with the rest btw.
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Isn't that how cancel culture works though? You start with protesting these speakers until such point as venues don't even bother to book them because of the hassle they'll get around it. Thus they are eventually silenced, or 'cancelled'.

What is a 'popular protest'? Does a few hundred, or even thousand, people screaming very loudly about something make them 'popular'? Or just noisy?

For me I'd rather let anyone say what they want and if you disagree go along and tear their argument apart. Make them look silly. Plus anyone who is taken in by such extremist views will be out in the open where you can keep an eye on them, rather than skulking around in the shadows saying 'they won't let me speak because I tell it like it is' without proper scrutiny. Give them enough rope and they eventually hang themselves with it.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,180
Skybluefaz said:
What cake? Suspension is a standard part of investigation. You've gone from sharing racist Facebook groups to embracing cancel culture and being woke. Hell of a turnaround.
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Someone ought to tell the government.
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • May 14, 2021
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PVA said:
Says the bloke who thinks Voter ID cards are necessary... because of 6 cases of voter fraud out of 30 odd million votes
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Course you don’t agree with voter ID. It would guarantee a Tory government for the next 25 years
 
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PVA

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,182
Boosh said:
Course you don’t agree with voter ID. It would guarantee a Tory government for the next 25 years
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So you think preventing millions of people voting is democratic?

Of course you do. Why am I not surprised.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,183
PVA said:
This is perfectly normal behaviour...


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Surely not! The leftie, woke BBC? And that paragon of impartiality that is LK?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #3,184
Course you don’t agree with voter ID. It would guarantee a Tory government for the next 25 years
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Will be for the next 100 years hopefully
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 14, 2021
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Boosh said:
Course you don’t agree with voter ID. It would guarantee a Tory government for the next 25 years
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Hopefully for the next 100 years
 
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