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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,226
David O'Day said:
it's an extra 28bn
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,227
fernandopartridge said:
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just pointing out once again you had got your figures wrong, that's all
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,228
Anyway for the adults in the room while borrowing does not in itself cause inflation the way it is dealt with afterwards can.

For example the monetisation of debt does lead to inflationary pressures. In the great recession there is a good case that the monetisation of debt (the BoE creating money to purchase UK gilts and bonds) did increase inflation but as we were entering a deflationary period this actually helped.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,229
Also if the market doesn't trust you and thinks your economically plan is reckless this will lead to sterling losing value and the inflationary pressures that come with that.

Saying "fuck it, just do it" isn't a mental way to run an economy.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,230
skybluetony176 said:
Soon the only reason to vote Labour will be that they’re not the Tories and they’re the best tactical vote to get them out/keep them out in your constituency.
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that's pretty much where I'm at tbh. Wasn't expecting Starmer to be far left or anything like that but other than getting the current lot out don't really see any reason to vote Labour under his leadership.

they'll get in this time but I'm not convinced by the the idea this is all just so he gets in and then we'll see left wing policies being enacted. think on current form there's every danger the tories regroup and we only have Labour in for one term
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,231
David O'Day said:
just pointing out once again you had got your figures wrong, that's all
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I'm not getting any figures wrong - i'm just pointing out that the UK runs a budget deficit (which is necessary no matter what)
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,232
fernandopartridge said:
I'm not getting any figures wrong - i'm just pointing out that the UK runs a budget deficit (which is necessary no matter what)
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Cool bro
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,233
David O'Day said:
Also if the market doesn't trust you and thinks your economically plan is reckless this will lead to sterling losing value and the inflationary pressures that come with that.

Saying "fuck it, just do it" isn't a mental way to run an economy.
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Environment < Economy

Got it…..
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,234
Ian1779 said:
Environment < Economy

Got it…..
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No one said that did they and if people actually had read story they would see that.

You need the economy not to collapse again, if it does you then you are fucked and so is the environment.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,235
i've explained the issues that will happen if we have to start the monetarisation of public borrowing
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,236
David O'Day said:
No one said that did they and if people actually had read story they would see that.

You need the economy not to collapse again, if it does you then you are fucked and so is the environment.
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I’m not sure the environment is sitting there thinking ‘we’ll let’s see what the economy does before we make our move’
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,237
David O'Day said:
i've explained the issues that will happen if we have to start the monetarisation of public borrowing
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the BoE isn't buying gilts and hasn't for nearly 3 years
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,238
If come 2024 Labour say "let's borrow an extra 28 billion on top on the billions that will already need to be borrowed" there is a very real chance that the markets who lend the money will be worried. As pointed out this leads to higher rates, the chance we will have to created money to buy our own gilts and bonds and even the chance of sterling devaluation. Not to mention the higher rates lead to less of teh tax take being usable for non debt repayment and this leads to even more borrowing

If this happens it's harder to borrow the money needed in the future
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,239
David O'Day said:
If come 2024 Labour say "let's borrow an extra 28 billion on top on the billions that will already need to be borrowed" there is a very real chance that the markets who lend the money will be worried. As pointed out this leads to higher rates, the chance we will have to created money to buy our own gilts and bonds and even the chance of sterling devaluation. Not to mention the higher rates lead to less of teh tax take being usable for non debt repayment and this leads to even more borrowing

If this happens it's harder to borrow the money needed in the future
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The markets do not care about the borrowing, they care about what it is being spent on. I think you and the briefcases are missing the point.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,240
chiefdave said:
I'm not convinced by the the idea this is all just so he gets in and then we'll see left wing policies being enacted
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I think you’d be pretty naive to vote Labour on that basis. Funny thing is I keep hearing it from both sides. People saying they won’t vote Labour because it’s a trick to get your vote and when he gets in he’s going he’s going to be a communist and also people saying that they will vote Labour because you shouldn’t believe the policies he’s really a lefty.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,241
skybluetony176 said:
I think you’d be pretty naive to vote Labour on that basis. Funny thing is I keep hearing it from both sides. People saying they won’t vote Labour because it’s a trick to get your vote and when he gets in he’s going he’s going to be a communist and also people saying that they will vote Labour because you shouldn’t believe the policies he’s really a lefty.
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He's a centre-left social democrat.

There's many reason to if want slag of the current labour party but a basic understanding of macroeconomics is not one of them
 

stupot07

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,242
Rees-Mogg gets a Knighthood and Priti Patel gets a Damehood. Literally what the fuck

And Michael Frabricunt gets a Knighthood.

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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,243
stupot07 said:
Rees-Mogg gets a Knighthood and Priti Patel gets a Damehood. Literally what the fuck

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Literally the conservative party is doing what it does

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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,244
stupot07 said:
Rees-Mogg gets a Knighthood and Priti Patel gets a Damehood. Literally what the fuck

And Michael Frabricunt gets a Knighthood.

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We shouldn't be surprised how brazen it is.

But still, this is some next level shit.

Dame Andrea fucking Jenkyns?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,245
David O'Day said:
He's a centre-left social democrat.

There's many reason to if want slag of the current labour party but a basic understanding of macroeconomics is not one of them
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Cool bruv

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clint van damme

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,246
stupot07 said:
And Michael Frabricunt gets a Knighthood.

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For services to syrups?
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,247
clint van damme said:
For services to syrups?
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Services to Andy street
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,248
Dorries standing down as an MP with immediate effect. By election O’clock. Can’t see the Tories losing it though. One of the safest Tory seats in the country IIRC.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,249
skybluetony176 said:
Dorries standing down as an MP with immediate effect. By election O’clock. Can’t see the Tories losing it though. One of the safest Tory seats in the country IIRC.
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yeah, it'll be interesting to see the result though as the local council saw the tories take a bit of a kicking

It'll be a good indicator of how badly the tories are doing in the most truest of blue areas
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,250
Grendel said:
Services to Andy street
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Had to Google it, didn't realise.
Would have thought the raider could have done better for himself.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,251
clint van damme said:
Had to Google it, didn't realise.
Would have thought the raider could have done better for himself.
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Wow, didn't realise that.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,252
It's madness that Sunak is briefing he waved through the list. How stupid is he, I get he wants to bury Johnson as they now hate each other but this just makes him look even weaker than he already did.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,253
David O'Day said:
He's a centre-left social democrat.

There's many reason to if want slag of the current labour party but a basic understanding of macroeconomics is not one of them
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Understanding macroeconomics not going to do us much good when the planet is inhabitable
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,254
chiefdave said:
Understanding macroeconomics not going to do us much good when the planet is inhabitable
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You can't save the planet when people won't lend you the billions you need as you crashed the economy at your first budget.

It's been push back a couple of years not cancelled
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,255
Well you learn something every day. I actually thought Andy Street was half sane for a Tory, and now he's blown it all away!
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,256
chiefdave said:
Understanding macroeconomics not going to do us much good when the planet is inhabitable
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,257
David O'Day said:
You can't save the planet when people won't lend you the billions you need as you crashed the economy at your first budget.

It's been push back a couple of years not cancelled
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The British government does not need to borrow money


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stupot07

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,258
BOJO gone with immediate effect.

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SBT

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,259
Breaking news: Donald Trump is having a really bad day
Boris Johnson: Hold my lockdown Estrella!

 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 9, 2023
  • #29,260
Bye bye Boris thanks for fuck all
 
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