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fernandopartridge

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  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,121
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Who chose to leave while loudly slagging off the other party and saying we’d be far better off out of it?
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Politicians representing the UK government at the time who are different from the ones who will be representing the UK government in any application to rejoin. The reasons for enforcing a requirement to join the single currency cannot be just spite, so what are the others?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,122
fernandopartridge said:
What's changed and does that not indicate that a lot of the suspicions about the EU (ever closer union) are or were well-founded?
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This is just bollocks. We and Denmark have a veto (or did in our case) on joining the Euro. You know that, you ain’t that stupid that you didn’t. Suspicion nothing, you knew we’d lose the veto, that’s a consequence of your vote. Well founded my arse.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,123
fernandopartridge said:
Politicians representing the UK government at the time who are different from the ones who will be representing the UK government in any application to rejoin. The reasons for enforcing a requirement to join the single currency cannot be just spite, so what are the others?
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Securing the currency with what for now at least is still a powerful economy.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,124
fernandopartridge said:
So the reason is spite?
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The reason is because you voted to lose the veto.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,125
fernandopartridge said:
What are you talking about? Voting leave most definitely retains currency sovereignty
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Clearly not. Voting remain did on the other hand. Don’t pretend to be stupid.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,126
fernandopartridge said:
So the reason is spite?
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It’s not about spite, it’s about leverage.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,127
SBT said:
It’s not about spite, it’s about leverage.
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Personally I would hope that the EU would allow us to return on the same footing we left, there’s no obligation though. There’s also the issue of sovereignty of the other members. The members sovereign parliaments has a vote on who can join, if you’re one of the members that joined after Maastricht who never had the option of the veto why would you vote for the UK to join after you with a veto. The other members could scupper it. We were in a very privileged position within the EU, shame we didn’t appreciate it at the time. Out as it turned out did indeed mean out.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,128
skybluetony176 said:
Should have thought about that before you voted leave in the first place
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You have gone full UKIP again Tony - good to see
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,129
skybluetony176 said:
Clearly not. Voting remain did on the other hand. Don’t pretend to be stupid.
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So voting leave means we could lose our currency?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,130
fernandopartridge said:
What are you talking about? Voting leave most definitely retains currency sovereignty
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Economic gravity means we will rejoin at some point, so arguably not.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,131
shmmeee said:
Economic gravity means we will rejoin at some point, so arguably not.
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Not really, we don't need to join the European Union to align to its standards etc
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,132
fernandopartridge said:
Not really, we don't need to join the European Union to align to its standards etc
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We don’t, but then you get the complaints of rule by fax. There’s a reason every country trends towards the EU. Ultimately business wins out cos that’s who pays the piper
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,133
But but but.. Sir Beer

 
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JAM See

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  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,134
skybluetony176 said:
But but but.. Sir Beer

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Uncovered by his own defence team, who were obliged to report it.

Comedy gold!
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,135
JAM See said:
Uncovered by his own defence team, who were obliged to report it.

Comedy gold!
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Obliged because he'd got the cabinet office to pay his legal fees and so technically they were his lawyers employer.

Subtitled video with that laughing Spanish bloke incoming.........
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,136
JAM See said:
Uncovered by his own defence team, who were obliged to report it.

Comedy gold!
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Tax payers money well spent.
 
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stupot07

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  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,137
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,138
clint van damme said:
Obliged because he'd got the cabinet office to pay his legal fees and so technically they were his lawyers employer.

Subtitled video with that laughing Spanish bloke incoming.........
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Someone tell me again how Boris is actually a genius and it’s all an act.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,139
skybluetony176 said:
Someone tell me again how Boris is actually a genius and it’s all an act.
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no one cares about parties mate
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,140

Even the excellent Dan Hodges gets it

 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2023
  • #29,141
skybluetony176 said:
Personally I would hope that the EU would allow us to return on the same footing we left, there’s no obligation though. There’s also the issue of sovereignty of the other members. The members sovereign parliaments has a vote on who can join, if you’re one of the members that joined after Maastricht who never had the option of the veto why would you vote for the UK to join after you with a veto. The other members could scupper it. We were in a very privileged position within the EU, shame we didn’t appreciate it at the time. Out as it turned out did indeed mean out.
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No way would we have the same conditions offered if we looked to rejoin. Wouldn't send a good message to other members that they could leave and just come back and have it as good as before.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,142
fernandopartridge said:
Not really, we don't need to join the European Union to align to its standards etc
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I don’t think the country will rejoin the EU but I think it’ll be part of EEA, which it should have done anyway.
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,143
Cruella keeps her job, Johnson on about seeing the cabinet office.

These fuckers are box office, absute state of them.
Meanwhile food inflation still over 19%!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,144
clint van damme said:
Cruella keeps her job, Johnson on about seeing the cabinet office.

These fuckers are box office, absute state of them.
Meanwhile food inflation still over 19%!
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It’s the political equivalent of Russel Slade still being allowed to manage us in the Conference North
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,145
clint van damme said:
Cruella keeps her job, Johnson on about seeing the cabinet office.

These fuckers are box office, absute state of them.
Meanwhile food inflation still over 19%!
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Mental isn’t it? And we’ve likely got another 18 months of this.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,146
shmmeee said:
Mental isn’t it? And we’ve likely got another 18 months of this.
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At least Rachel Reeves is on Wall Street at the moment telling BlackRock that the UK is open for business
 
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Grendel

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  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,147
Sick Boy said:
I don’t think the country will rejoin the EU but I think it’ll be part of EEA, which it should have done anyway.
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interesting if labour put that in a manifesto
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,148
clint van damme said:
Cruella keeps her job, Johnson on about seeing the cabinet office.

These fuckers are box office, absute state of them.
Meanwhile food inflation still over 19%!
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Braverman is clearly a divisive character but what actually is the crime here
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,149
clint van damme said:
Cruella keeps her job, Johnson on about seeing the cabinet office.

These fuckers are box office, absute state of them.
Meanwhile food inflation still over 19%!
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He’s in such a position of weakness. He can’t sack her as he needs too because he’ll lose the lunatics in the party and the sensible fringe is so small he probably can’t see the summer out. He’s completely hamstrung. If he sacks her he’ll be facing a vote of no confidence and he knows it. Which actually is probably something that she’ll welcome as it will hand her the opportunity to run for the leadership.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,150
skybluetony176 said:
He’s in such a position of weakness. He can’t sack her as he needs too because he’ll lose the lunatics in the party and the sensible fringe is so small he probably can’t see the summer out. He’s completely hamstrung. If he sacks her he’ll be facing a vote of no confidence and he knows it. Which actually is probably something that she’ll welcome as it will hand her the opportunity to run for the leadership.
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4 Prime Ministers in one term but no election, that’d surely be a record
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,151
Grendel said:
Braverman is clearly a divisive character but what actually is the crime here
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Is that the bar for a ministerial sacking now?
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,152
Grendel said:
Braverman is clearly a divisive character but what actually is the crime here
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A bit of do as I say not as I do, same with Johnson .
She clearly did request a private course, hence her refusal to deny it.
Probably not a massive issue in the grand scheme of things, but they had to settle for getting Capone for tax avoidance!
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,153
skybluetony176 said:
He’s in such a position of weakness. He can’t sack her as he needs too because he’ll lose the lunatics in the party and the sensible fringe is so small he probably can’t see the summer out. He’s completely hamstrung. If he sacks her he’ll be facing a vote of no confidence and he knows it. Which actually is probably something that she’ll welcome as it will hand her the opportunity to run for the leadership.
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It's such a fractured party. And it's not just 2 factions either, there seems to be several.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,154
clint van damme said:
A bit of do as I say not as I do, same with Johnson .
She clearly did request a private course, hence her refusal to deny it.
Probably not a massive issue in the grand scheme of things, but they had to settle for getting Capone for tax avoidance!
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I can't believe people like Elton John, Prince William or Keir Starmer would go to some Community Hall for a course. It would make it a circus. When Gods spokesperson the UK The Very Reverend Justin Welby seemingly just "forgot" to pay his fines at all yet can lecture us from the House Of Lords - If she took the FPN is that actually not also it seems for some a resigning matter?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • May 24, 2023
  • #29,155
I think anyone calling for a minister to resign over a fixed penalty is stretching it.
To be honest, I wouldn't know what the protocol is for a senior politician to do the awareness course, it sounds as though isn't to approach the civil service for a private one though.
 
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