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David O'Day

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,731
skybluetony176 said:
This is of the back of a Facebook smear campaign against the Labour candidate. Long story short the Labour candidate was part of the local healthcare management that had to decide what services were cut under austerity forced upon them by the Conservatives. In this post truth world Facebook adds were saying that the Labour candidate cut services not services cut after funding cut by the Conservative government. In this post truth world it gained traction, people heard what they wanted to hear and voted Tory. Not sure it changed the overall outcome though.
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He wasn't even true as he is GP
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,732
PVA said:
Bloody hell. Another one to go with the bloke yesterday who says he's had enough of Labour because there were no foodbanks under them, but 9 under the tories. This guy blames Labour for no hospitals being built.

What fucking chance do Labour, or anyone, have when people have views like this


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There is stupid everywhere
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,733
Evo1883 said:
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Yes, and from listening to radio 4 just now, apparently KS is a white privileged man dumping on the female and northern fraternity, rather than perhaps being concerned that Angela Raynor's brand of aggressive sniping and negativity might have put a few off. I'm afraid any change in the Labour party is going to be a long time coming.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,734
PVA said:
Bloody hell. Another one to go with the bloke yesterday who says he's had enough of Labour because there were no foodbanks under them, but 9 under the tories. This guy blames Labour for no hospitals being built.

What fucking chance do Labour, or anyone, have when people have views like this


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Nothing from the interviewer to challenge this. Challenging this rubbish is not being disrespectful, or condescending - it’s just pointing out facts.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,735
chiefdave said:
How much value do any of those 'brands' have anymore? Is there a discussion to be had to merging all three under a new name to try and lose some of the baggage.

Very drastic but I can't see any sign of a Labour resurgence anytime soon and the Lub Dem and Greens are firmly on the sidelines.
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The parties couldn’t agree to a ‘progressive alliance’ which would rally behind the party best poised to topple the Tory MP in a given constituency.

It was astounding that the Lib Dems and Labour couldn’t agree to stand aside in marginals. You had a Lib Dem candidate in Kensington saying vote LD to stop Brexit and the Tories... it was (then) a Labour seat and the split between the parties allowed the Tories to win.

Really bad politics all around.
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,736
dubed said:
Yes, and from listening to radio 4 just now, apparently KS is a white privileged man dumping on the female and northern fraternity, rather than perhaps being concerned that Angela Raynor's brand of aggressive sniping and negativity might have put a few off. I'm afraid any change in the Labour party is going to be a long time coming.
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Going to take a few more decimations in elections to get the point home to many of these people , I fear
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,737
Evo1883 said:
Going to take a few more decimations in elections to get the point home to many of these people , I fear
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Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,738
Ian1779 said:
Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.
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It's a common line today on twitter but mostly from people who call KS Keith and have never actually been in the party.
 

SomersetSB

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,739
Evo1883 said:
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This is what we are dealing with total crackpot left,She’ll realise when she gets in the real world!!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,740
Ian1779 said:
Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.
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I doubt it but would never say never .

Identity politics are normally a left wing obsession
 

SomersetSB

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,741
David O'Day said:
Why debate with that crackpot
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Oh you’ve arisen, how was your Sunday last week o’drivel?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,742
It’sabatch87 said:
This is what we are dealing with total crackpot left,She’ll realise when she gets in the real world!!
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I suppose the guy in the Hartlepool video was spot on as well yeah?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,743
Evo1883 said:
I doubt it but would never say never .

Identity politics are normally a left wing obsession
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True - leave that populism bollocks to the right.
 
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SomersetSB

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,744
Labour are thick,Why didn’t they put a pro brexit candidate in Hartlepool?
Pretty thick really, just shows how far apart they are from the working man and us baby boomers who’ve realised they are controlled still by momentum and their idealistic crap.
Get in a room and sort it out get rid of the left that’s the only way you’ll ever get in power.
Bite the bullet and be more centrist otherwise it’s oblivion I’m afraid with all the in fighting.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,745
Ian1779 said:
Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.
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A labour activist, and I didn't get her name, but it was on the news so presumably a prominent member.
 
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PVA

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,746
Evo1883 said:
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There is.

The Hartlepool bloke gave a completely stupid opinion about parties and policies that influenced how he voted

I can't call him thick though because I don't have a plummy accent.

Must start working on that so I can call him thick and get applauded. Get my boots licked clean while I'm at it.

And if I call him thick then it's directly my fault that he voted Tory, despite having never met him.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,747
It’sabatch87 said:
Labour are thick,Why didn’t they put a pro brexit candidate in Hartlepool?
Pretty thick really, just shows how far apart they are from the working man and us baby boomers who’ve realised they are controlled still by momentum and their idealistic crap.
Get in a room and sort it out get rid of the left that’s the only way you’ll ever get in power.
Bite the bullet and be more centrist otherwise it’s oblivion I’m afraid with all the in fighting.
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Probably thinking that Brexit is done so leave/remain status of an individual should not matter. Which it shouldn't now. The error is probably not making that clear enough from a Labour party perspective. Brexit is done now let's try and move on and make things better.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,748
Skybluefaz said:
Probably thinking that Brexit is done so leave/remain status of an individual should not matter. Which it shouldn't now. The error is probably not making that clear enough from a Labour party perspective. Brexit is done now let's try and move on and make things better.
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Like I said get all in a room and sort it out,Politics needs a strong opposition that is together and is singing from the same hymn sheet.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,749
It’sabatch87 said:
Labour are thick,Why didn’t they put a pro brexit candidate in Hartlepool?
Pretty thick really, just shows how far apart they are from the working man and us baby boomers who’ve realised they are controlled still by momentum and their idealistic crap.
Get in a room and sort it out get rid of the left that’s the only way you’ll ever get in power.
Bite the bullet and be more centrist otherwise it’s oblivion I’m afraid with all the in fighting.
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What does be more centrist mean?
 

SomersetSB

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,750
More towards the middle,Less left wing?
How far Labour have fallen if the working class reject them for tories.
Chirpy chirpy cheap cheap/Middle of the road a bit of both.
If Labour don’t change they’ll always be a protest party in opposition.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,751
It’sabatch87 said:
More towards the middle,Less left wing?
How far Labour have fallen if the working class reject them for tories.
Chirpy chirpy cheap cheap/Middle of the road a bit of both.
If Labour don’t change they’ll always be a protest party in opposition.
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I know but what does that mean in practice?
 

Ian1779

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,752
It’sabatch87 said:
Like I said get all in a room and sort it out,Politics needs a strong opposition that is together and is singing from the same hymn sheet.
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Labour can’t win without the left being on board. That’s a fact.
 
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SomersetSB

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,753
Ian1779 said:
Labour can’t win without the left being on board. That’s a fact.
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Shame, they’ll never govern again then imo.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,754
It’sabatch87 said:
Shame, they’ll never govern again then imo.
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May well be the case, but seeing as they have already lost Scotland forever, as well as half of Wales they don’t have a choice.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,755
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,756
Skybluefaz said:
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ID cards should be used
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,757
It’sabatch87 said:
My grandad was a miner at Binley pit,He’d never have voted for Corbyn and his like but I feel they need a figure like Burnham to get the party together and realise there’s life outside the big cities.
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The same Andy Burnham who is in charge of one of the biggest cities in England?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,758
Ian1779 said:
Labour can’t win without the left being on board. That’s a fact.
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Looool being too left wing cost them with Corbyn, some people will never learn
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,759
SkyBlueDom26 said:
ID cards should be used
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Why? Are you suggesting some irregularity with the tories recent election successes?
There's no need and they'll just outsource it to one of their grifting mates like they did with track and trace, at huge expense to the tax payer.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,760
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Looool being too left wing cost them with Corbyn, some people will never learn
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Not backing Brexit is ultimately what cost them - a lot of their policies are generally popular.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,761
clint van damme said:
Why? Are you suggesting some irregularity with the tories recent election successes?
There's no need and they'll just outsource it to one of their grifting mates like they did with track and trace, at huge expense to the tax payer.
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Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses
 
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PVA

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,762
SkyBlueDom26 said:
ID cards should be used
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No they shouldn't.

It stops people voting. Of course the Tories want to introduce it though.

What next in their quest for dictatorship I wonder.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,763
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses
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It's been a long established voter suppression tactic in the US
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,764
PVA said:
No they shouldn't.

It stops people voting. Of course the Tories want to introduce it though.

What next in their quest for dictatorship I wonder.
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Cry some more, tories are here to stay
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,765
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It's been a long established voter suppression tactic in the US
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I genuinely don’t understand why proving you’re identity is wrong tho
 
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