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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 9, 2021
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PVA said:
Once again you spectacularly miss the point.
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I feel I'm going to regret this, but do you have a point to make, ever?
 
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PVA

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,662
dubed said:
I feel I'm going to regret this, but do you have a point to make, ever?
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If you haven't worked out what point I'm making yet then I can't help you

That's twice today you've missed the point quite badly though.

Your continued point seems to be repeatedly saying that Labour/the left think the working class are stupid... Then complain that people are calling the working class stupid... When you're the only one saying it (apart from Johnson and Co, of course).
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 9, 2021
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PVA said:
If you haven't worked out what point I'm making yet then I can't help you

That's twice today you've missed the point quite badly.
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You should look upwards sometimes,

But really, just how many foodbanks are good enough?
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,664
dubed said:
And so it goes on. Rather than acknowledge the failings of a party, blame those failings on the charisma of just one man in power.
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I've not disagreed with any criticisms of Labour. Ive said numerous times I acknowledge them.

I just don't understand why the tories get a pass. Got to be the posh accents.

British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs

Many British employees "prefer a lie-in to hard work", a group of Conservative MPs claims as they call for measures to boost productivity.
www.google.com
 
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PVA

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  • May 9, 2021
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dubed said:
You should look upwards sometimes,

But really, just how many foodbanks are good enough?
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Do you think Fred was right, that 9 foodbanks in his area is a good achievement for the Tories? And that none under Labour is damning for them?
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,666
Grendel said:
PVA owns a cafe in a very working class village

Other than him no middle class people live there. Then one moves in.

Thing is PVA only sells tripe and onions - working class food for the working class yeah?

He has to get google out and thinks middle classes might like a smoked salmon and cheese bagel (whole meal of course)

His pensioner regulars sit down on day one and order salmon bagels

PVA doesn’t get it. “What you don’t one that it’s not for you”

They just say they want it.

“What do you like about it”

“never tried it”

“YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE IT!”

“Can’t be any worse that that shit you’ve been serving we only come here as there’s no one else”

“NOT GOOD ENOUGH TELL ME WHY YOU WANT IT! you have to have working class food unless you give me a good reason! I’m bringing you tripe and your eating it you dumb, senile racist bunch of tosses”

We are leaving and we will go to another village and try salmon

PVA than rages when no one goes in any more as I mean he’s only feeding them the same old shite theyve always eaten

Poor PVA the only middle class man in the village
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Wut?
 

TomRad85

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,667
The 2 worst things about the season finishing..
1. No football = boring
2. No football related boredom = this thread going into overdrive

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clint van damme

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,668
TomRad85 said:
The 2 worst things about the season finishing..
1. No football = boring
2. No football related boredom = this thread going into overdrive

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
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I honestly think it was about to calm down for the summer and you've just bumped it and set it off again.
I hope you're proud of yourself?!
 
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TomRad85

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,669
clint van damme said:
I honestly think it was about to calm down for the summer and you've just bumped it and set it off again.
I hope you're proud of yourself?!
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Very!

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Ian1779

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,670
It’sabatch87 said:
Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn – it needs wholesale root-and-branch reform

Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn

SIR Keir Starmer faces a huge challenge coming back from this week’s disastrous election results. Even the Labour leader’s most optimistic MPs know they are facing at least the next decade as…
www.thesun.co.uk
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I was going to read this, but then I saw it was by the bestiality fantasist Austin.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 9, 2021
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Ian1779 said:
I was going to read this, but then I saw it was by the bestiality fantasist Austin.
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I'll never see Pride and Prejudice in the same way again!
 
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SomersetSB

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,672
Ian1779 said:
I was going to read this, but then I saw it was by the bestiality fantasist Austin.
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I was expecting this reply,Lefties that only see their side of the argument.
Get your heads out of the sand it’s like a child sticking their fingers in their ears going nananana.....
Labour are heading into oblivion but you cannot see it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,673
Meanwhile in other news. Man responsible for ripping our country apart has said ripping our country apart would be “irresponsible and reckless”.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,674
skybluetony176 said:
Meanwhile in other news. Man responsible for ripping our country apart has said ripping our country apart would be “irresponsible and reckless”.
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Indeed. The union now rests on him repeatedly saying no to Sturgeon after he created the optimal conditions for her to ask in the first place
 
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Deleted member 5849

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Indeed. The union now rests on him repeatedly saying no to Sturgeon after he created the optimal conditions for her to ask in the first place
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As an aside, that's one message Labour need to reverse that's gained traction - vote Labour, get SNP. If you vote Labour, you get rid of the point of the SNP.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 9, 2021
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I can’t see a way of unifying the broad church of Labour as it is now. So sad
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,677
Deleted member 5849 said:
As an aside, that's one message Labour need to reverse that's gained traction - vote Labour, get SNP. If you vote Labour, you get rid of the point of the SNP.
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I have made that argument over the past few elections
 

clint van damme

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,678
It’sabatch87 said:
I was expecting this reply,Lefties that only see their side of the argument.
Get your heads out of the sand it’s like a child sticking their fingers in their ears going nananana.....
Labour are heading into oblivion but you cannot see it.
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Your talking shit as usual. I follow plenty of right wing journalists, they're actually saying the same thing about Labour as most socialists which you'd know unless you're actually as insular as you're accusing other people of being.
However, I'm not going to read the sun.
Though after your last link its a fairly left wing publication in comparison I suppose
 

David O'Day

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,679
Sky Blue Pete said:
I can’t see a way of unifying the broad church of Labour as it is now. So sad
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It's always been like this Morrison/Gaitskill vs Bevin etc
 

clint van damme

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,680
Sky Blue Pete said:
I can’t see a way of unifying the broad church of Labour as it is now. So sad
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Centrists forgetting about a 2nd referendum and the left forgetting about Corbyn would be a start
 

chiefdave

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,681
Evo1883 said:
Where's the mandate nicola ?
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In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
 

Grendel

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,682
chiefdave said:
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
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It is a totally different scenario. The vote previously was declared a once in a generation and is being ignored

The SNP lost the last referendum but were elected to govern.

In the prior election more Scots voted Brexit then the SNP

And as I type Sturgeon is stalling on even moving on it. I wonder why
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 9, 2021
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chiefdave said:
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
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Because they had one 7 years ago and will just keep redoing it until they win at the expense of simply governing the country.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 9, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because they had one 7 years ago and will just keep redoing it until they win at the expense of simply governing the country.
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They’ll lower the voting age to 12 to get it through
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 9, 2021
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Grendel said:
They’ll lower the voting age to 12 to get it through
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Actually look at the state of education, NHS, policing and so on up there since 2011. All might I add with more funding per head than anywhere in England or Wales and often twice as much as NE England just across the border. This obsession with building a fence at Gretna has got to be buried until at least 2040
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 9, 2021
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The only Labour gain/bonus I can see is that the took the Peterborough and Cambridgeshire mayor of the Tories on second preference voting. Other than that...

I think the Greens deserve a mention for joining Labour in the second round of the Bristol Mayor election too, good accomplishment by the Greens in Bristol. Although they made gains in lots of places.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,687
skybluetony176 said:
The only Labour gain/bonus I can see is that the took the Peterborough and Cambridgeshire mayor of the Tories on second preference voting. Other than that...

I think the Greens deserve a mention for joining Labour in the second round of the Bristol Mayor election too, good accomplishment by the Greens in Bristol. Although they made gains in lots of places.
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Taking the West of England Mayor's office from the Tories is a gain/bonus
 

David O'Day

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  • May 9, 2021
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chiefdave said:
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
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Because the Tories in Westminster had the legal powers to call a referendum where as the Scottish government doesn't.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,689
chiefdave said:
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
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The mandate is having enough votes in the Scottish Parliament to push a referendum through after an election campaign saying this is exactly what they would do if they got elected after Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

If Westminster says no then this, by itself, is a reason to hold a referendum because it is not a partnership of equals.

How Scotland votes in the referendum is entirely up to the Scottish electorate.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 9, 2021
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This was the better together campaign advert for the last referendum.

 

Grendel

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  • May 9, 2021
  • #2,691
Philosorapter said:
The mandate is having enough votes in the Scottish Parliament to push a referendum through after an election campaign saying this is exactly what they would do if they got elected after Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

If Westminster says no then this, by itself, is a reason to hold a referendum because it is not a partnership of equals.

How Scotland votes in the referendum is entirely up to the Scottish electorate.
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The difference is though it’s always in their manifesto so even if the lose again they can get elected and just do it all again
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 9, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Indeed. The union now rests on him repeatedly saying no to Sturgeon after he created the optimal conditions for her to ask in the first place
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Too late for Northern Ireland I fear having put a border in the U.K.

The comment actually was part of him calling on the devolved government’s to come together in a joint “Team U.K.” Covid recovery summit. Don’t think he’s invited the devolved mayors into that. Presumably because it would crash the playing politics party. I don’t think Boris has the conviction to work with the elected mayors and he knows that “Team U.K.” is a dead duck but he can make look like a look I’m the one waving the flag exercise.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 9, 2021
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Philosorapter said:
This was the better together campaign advert for the last referendum.

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I also got Yes leaflets through my door telling me how I, an Englishman, was by default less socially conscious than Scots, along with other lies about Holyrood funding. Two can play this particular game and we can always of course compare the centralisation at Westminster with the central belt bias of the SNP.

Just stop trying to divide people that are not each others’ enemies
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 9, 2021
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Grendel said:
The difference is though it’s always in their manifesto so even if the lose again they can get elected and just do it all again
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It's a bit more nuanced than that. The EU referendum changed the very nature of Scotland against its will. This is why the argument is there for the referendum. Otherwise, they simply couldn't call for a referendum every 4 years or so.

They have a good argument.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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skybluetony176 said:
Too late for Northern Ireland I fear having put a border in the U.K.

The comment actually was part of him calling on the devolved government’s to come together in a joint “Team U.K.” Covid recovery summit. Don’t think he’s invited the devolved mayors into that. Presumably because it would crash the playing politics party. I don’t think Boris has the conviction to work with the elected mayors and he knows that “Team U.K.” is a dead duck but he can make look like a look I’m the one waving the flag exercise.
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NI is different, we cannot legally deny a border poll if it would likely be voted through. Scotland had one 7 years ago and the SNP will always argue for it regardless of whatever the UK government does because they will never accept that perhaps the Union works.
 
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