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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (19 Viewers)

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Grendel

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,946
shmmeee said:
It didn’t exist under Blair, was introduced in Browns last budget as PM just before the election and was reduced three years later by Clegg and Cameron from 50% to 45%.
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Did the unelected Mr Brown have a mandate for that action? Was it in the manifesto?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,947
Grendel said:
Did the unelected Mr Brown have a mandate for that action? Was it in the manifesto?
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No. If you recall I said Brown should have called an election earlier. Are you now agreeing with that point?

Was the cost of living payments or the COVID funds in their respective manifestos, or do major external events come outside manifesto promises?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,948
shmmeee said:
No. If you recall I said Brown should have called an election earlier. Are you now agreeing with that point?

Was the cost of living payments or the COVID funds in their respective manifestos, or do major external events come outside manifesto promises?
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Of course influences come in which is why you can’t make parties stick to a manifesto when they change leaders and that leader you don’t like

everyone on here have got want they wanted - Johnson gone - enjoy the next two years
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,949
Oh Kwasi.


 
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AOM

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,950
PVA said:
Oh Kwasi.


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Who are they going to blame next? Ben Sheaf?
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,951
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree with him too - the people should decide. Not going to happen now she's fucked her new leader bounce within a week.

Point I was making was BSB said they make shit picks but fact is the last one they picked won a landslide in an election, so the people did actually get to decide and agreed with them. May didn't get a majority but did have more seats than any other party. So those members would argue that they don't make bad decisions because when given a vote the people to some extent or another agrees with them.

However, I think that would change quite dramatically right now...
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As far as I can remember, Johnson got an 80 seat landslide by attracting 42% of the vote (not the total electorate). Of those people that voted, presumably 58% didn’t want him.
It strikes me that to end up with the result we did shows that the first past the post system is simply wrong. The last three elections my vote has counted for nothing as the Tory candidate got in every time (same for Tory voters in Labour seats, I know).
We need a new voting system where every vote counts.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,952
Mentalist

 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,953
Grendel said:
Of course influences come in which is why you can’t make parties stick to a manifesto when they change leaders and that leader you don’t like

everyone on here have got want they wanted - Johnson gone - enjoy the next two years
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I didn’t want Johnson gone, he was excellent for Labour. I just want an election when a PM no longer commands a majority in the commons.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,954
Grendel said:
Did the unelected Mr Brown have a mandate for that action? Was it in the manifesto?
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I'm glad you can work out the difference between isolated changes to maintain a general policy (which they *all* do and *none* of them stick *exactly* to the manifesto) and a cultural shift.

It's really good to pick up the microcosm. We can all do that, as nothing is exact in life when it involves people.

What I find especially bizarre is I agreed with your original point!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,955
Irish Sky Blue said:
As far as I can remember, Johnson got an 80 seat landslide by attracting 42% of the vote (not the total electorate). Of those people that voted, presumably 58% didn’t want him.
It strikes me that to end up with the result we did shows that the first past the post system is simply wrong. The last three elections my vote has counted for nothing as the Tory candidate got in every time (same for Tory voters in Labour seats, I know).
We need a new voting system where every vote counts.
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I agree with that but at the same time I can't think of another system whereby picking a local representative would be fairer.

But at the same time there's no way an entire elected government should be chosen on that basis as it could totally fail to represent the country as a whole. So as I've said before the other house gets elected via the proportion of votes they got nationally and get a proper voice when considering legislation. It's not perfect as some people will have voted tactically at a local level but it's still better than having them just appointed at the whim of a PM.

It would essentially mean that the upper house would always be a hung parliament, but considering the absolute extremes we've seen under the current system I don't think it would be that bad even if it did lead to a bit of stalemate in the corridors of power.
 
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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,956
Grendel said:
Of course influences come in which is why you can’t make parties stick to a manifesto when they change leaders and that leader you don’t like

everyone on here have got want they wanted - Johnson gone - enjoy the next two years
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No we wanted the Tories gone, not just Johnson. Clearly Truss is even worse.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,957
AOM said:
Who are they going to blame next? Ben Sheaf?
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Obviously Jake Bidwell
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,958
It used to be the norm for governments of the day to just call an election when the wind was in their favour. We've just gone full circle back to the early 1800s
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,959

Red Wall bloodbath on the cards, wonder is MPs like Jenkins and Davison will be looking for different seats come 2024
 
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AOM

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,960
Ian1779 said:
Obviously Jake Bidwell
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No doubts on Bidwell being strong and stable
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 4, 2022
  • #21,961

blue on blue
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,962
What an utter c**t she is


 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,963
PVA said:
What an utter c**t she is


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The Rwanda deportations and blocking the boats etc are right out of the textbook of the likes of Salvini and Meloni.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,964
I actually thought her comments about people on benefits were worse.
She's a nasty, ill informed c**t.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,965
clint van damme said:
I actually thought her comments about people on benefits were worse.
She's a nasty, ill informed c**t.
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She’s a rich privileged one
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,966
What do you want for Christmas Suella?

World peace?
An end to starvation?
A cure for cancer?
An end to world poverty?
Clean drinking water for all?
Your two front teeth?

Sorry? What! A plane full of immigrants going to Rwanda!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,967
clint van damme said:
I actually thought her comments about people on benefits were worse.
She's a nasty, ill informed c**t.
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Or a Tory as they’re know.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,968
Sick Boy said:
The Rwanda deportations and blocking the boats etc is right out of the textbook of the likes of Salvini and Meloni.
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And the National Front in the 1980s.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,969
Braverman is think as mince, look forward to her being mocked weekly in parliament
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,970
David O'Day said:
Braverman is think as mince, look forward to her being mocked weekly in parliament
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Think as mince?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,971
PVA said:
What an utter c**t she is
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You've got to hand it to them, don't think anyone thought they could find a worse double act than Johnson and Patel but they've managed it.

That tweet is spot on, if the things our government were doing were happening elsewhere we'd be talking about the far right but there just seems to be a passive acceptance by most people, or even worse, people fully supporting what they are proposing.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,972
Patel is looking a wishy washy liberal nowadays. And May seems positivvely lefty!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,973
They’ve gone so far right they can’t even read the capitalist oil Barron room

 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,974
PVA said:
She's just so... shit.

Just completely stumped by the most basic of questioning. Embarrassing.


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Her answer should have been I have just been promoted and got a wage hike so I should be ok.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,975
How the fuck has she & her accountant hubby still got a mortgage?

A quick google reveals she only owns a modest house in norfolk & one property in greenwich which they've had for 15 years.....


what the fuck do they do with their money?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,976
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
what the fuck do they do with they're money?
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Speculate on the pound?
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,977
James Cleverly is not covering himself in glory the last day or so.

Now there's a politician you can call thick and even Rob can't pull you up on it.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,978
PVA said:
James Cleverly is not covering himself in glory the last day or so.

Now there's a politician you can call thick and even Rob can't pull you up on it.
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James is a one man case against nominative determinism
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,979
They’re unhinged. Everyone is the enemy. Imagine clapping that speech.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 5, 2022
  • #21,980
skybluetony176 said:
They’re unhinged. Everyone is the enemy. Imagine clapping that speech.
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truly awful

basically 25 minutes of nonsense and meaningless slogans
 
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