I'm hoping it means that the party has finally woken up and realised that it absolutely has to purge itself of the hard core socialist left if it ever wants to be taken seriously as a viable political party.What does this shit even mean?
What on Earth has it got to do with the militant hardcore left? Does Starmer need to laugh harder at teachers next time?I'm hoping it means that the party has finally woken up and realised that it absolutely has to purge itself of the hard core socialist left if it ever wants to be taken seriously as a viable political party.
Kinnock had to do it with the militant tendency, and now Starmer has to do it with momentum.
If he doesnt, there will be generations who grow up knowing nothing other than a Tory government.
This ‘hard left’ bollocks is tiring. Either they are mass voting block that will shape Labour vote share, or they are a insignificant echo chamber of fantasy ideas. People can’t keep switching between the two to suit this weeks argument.I'm hoping it means that the party has finally woken up and realised that it absolutely has to purge itself of the hard core socialist left if it ever wants to be taken seriously as a viable political party.
Kinnock had to do it with the militant tendency, and now Starmer has to do it with momentum.
If he doesnt, there will be generations who grow up knowing nothing other than a Tory government.
I'm hoping it means that the party has finally woken up and realised that it absolutely has to purge itself of the hard core socialist left if it ever wants to be taken seriously as a viable political party.
Kinnock had to do it with the militant tendency, and now Starmer has to do it with momentum.
If he doesnt, there will be generations who grow up knowing nothing other than a Tory government.
What on Earth has it got to do with the militant hardcore left? Does Starmer need to laugh harder at teachers next time?
Send them all to the greens where student politics belongs.
Honestly mate, do you not think perhaps you’re overestimating the impact that had outside the teaching profession perhaps?
This ‘hard left’ bollocks is tiring. Either they are mass voting block that will shape Labour vote share, or they are a insignificant echo chamber of fantasy ideas. People can’t keep switching between the two to suit this weeks argument.
I bet you honestly cant understand why labour are failing can you.What on Earth has it got to do with the militant hardcore left? Does Starmer need to laugh harder at teachers next time?
so trying to out-Tory the Tories is the master plan?
I'm hoping it means that the party has finally woken up and realised that it absolutely has to purge itself of the hard core socialist left if it ever wants to be taken seriously as a viable political party.
Kinnock had to do it with the militant tendency, and now Starmer has to do it with momentum.
If he doesnt, there will be generations who grow up knowing nothing other than a Tory government.
I totally agree with the sentiment, but I'm wondering whether the description of 'the socialist left' any longer rings true. I don't quite know what the term is for a combination of anarchi and identity policies, but I'm not sure it's socialism.
I bet you honestly cant understand why labour are failing can you.
I bet your genuinely suprised by today's results.
They may be insignificant in some areas yes - but in others it will be difference between a Labour hold and someone else’s gain.They’re about 15% of the electorate concentrated in Labour strongholds is what they are. They’re electorally insignificant sadly.
They may be insignificant in some areas yes - but in others it will be difference between a Labour hold and someone else’s gain.
Not even parody.
But to keep them you’ve got to jettison the largest ideological block of voters in the socially conservative left. Then you’ve got to pivot to the Lib Dem’s and soft Tories and you really won’t like that.
That’s not what I mean and you know it. Of course take note of a party machine that always manages to coalesce at the right time, but in terms of general strategy are we going to abandon green policies and new ideas for a post-Covid world for more flag waving and banishing more foreigners?If you mean “try and win elections not philosophical arguments online” then yes please.
We live in a democracy. No matter what you want the electorate to think we’ve got to work with what they do and right now they think we’re patronising morons who hate them. It’s fuck all to do with economics.
Why do you? Are you telling me that Starmer can’t deliver something similar to 2017 and attain a 40% vote share at the very least.But to keep them you’ve got to jettison the largest ideological block of voters in the socially conservative left. Then you’ve got to pivot to the Lib Dem’s and soft Tories and you really won’t like that.
That’s not what I mean and you know it. Of course take note of a party machine that always manages to coalesce at the right time, but in terms of general strategy are we going to abandon green policies and new ideas for a post-Covid world for more flag waving and banishing more foreigners?
That’s not what I mean and you know it. Of course take note of a party machine that always manages to coalesce at the right time, but in terms of general strategy are we going to abandon green policies and new ideas for a post-Covid world for more flag waving and banishing more foreigners?
Why do you? Are you telling me that Starmer can’t deliver something similar to 2017 and attain a 40% vote share at the very least.
Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
Williamson, Hancock, Gove, etc etc
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
Rubbish - 2017 happened because spent its entire time just saying what it’s vision was, and little to no time badmouthing the opposition. Which conversely is why the Tory campaign was so shit. All they did was badmouth the competition and offered none of their own ideas.OMG 2017 WAS A FUCKING ANOMOLY STIP TRYING TO MAKE 2017 HAPPEN ITS NEVER HAPPENING AGAIN!!
This is so frustrating. 2017 brought together a coalition of people that will never come together again and went against the worse Tory campaign ever. And still lost. It had nothing to do with policy nothing. It was a rerun of the referendum and we got residual old Labour leave votes and pissed off Tories and furious Remainers and the Corbynites and the Corbyn hating left to hold their nose and vote to try and stop Brexit.
Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?I don’t know if you saw but I didn’t vote Labour yesterday...
What’s your answer here? Because clearly these people do in fact win more elections than Labour. And it’s not all annoyed corbynites and teachers.
How
Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?
We had 3 votes where I was yesterday. I voted for 2 Lab councillors and 1 Green. Not one single party sent any literature about the local elections, which is surprising considering Northamptonshire were voting for a completely new set of councillors since the old one was shut down. I don’t know if that complete lack of effort was replicated elsewhere.How
Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?
How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!so trying to out-Tory the Tories is the master plan?
I agree - and I think having ideas that are popular across political divides are the way forward. But Labour currently are not offering that. They stuck an ardent remainer in as the candidate for Hartlepool and then made little or no effort to convince voters that they had an idea for the future. I think there is a justifiable argument for Brexit/vaccine bounce that would have made keeping this seat near impossible - but at least have a proper go. You only need to look at the Lab style policies that were popular in Hartlepool when surveyed. Start with that as a base.How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!
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