Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Do you want to discuss boring politics? (29 Viewers)

  • Thread starter mrtrench
  • Start date Jun 14, 2020
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 583
  • 584
  • 585
  • 586
  • 587
  • …
  • 1494
Next
First Prev 585 of 1494 Next Last
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2022
  • #20,441
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Maybe. But it's a bit fucking rich coming from a guy that claimed taxpayers money to keep his fucking horses at his second home warm.
Click to expand...

It’s also difficult due to the fact it highlights/admits the governments inaction and failures in certain areas has made the situation (which is global to be fair) worse

But ultimately the right message, is the right message and needs to be hammered home. It needs to be delivered in conjunction with announcement of assistance package though.
 
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2022
  • #20,442
wingy said:
What exactly is the mechanism which causes the same amount of gas from now to double by next spring .
Exactly what usage will change throughout the winter at that point?
Click to expand...

I’m guessing as Germany/Europe weens itself of Russian gas we’re seeing increasing demand on a limited supply of gas elsewhere. At the moment Europe are filling their storage for winter not because of worries about price but because there’s a genuine risk/concern that if Russia turns off the taps the lights will go out.

We’re fortunate to have LNG terminals in this country so that risk is lessened for us but it does mean the prices are going through the roof because everyone is desperately buying up from an ever decreasing supply (due to Russian sanctions)

We’re understandably focussing on cost/prices, some people genuinely don’t know if they can get through winter, however, the even bigger concern for many is what happens if there’s not enough gas to go around during winter !

That’s my layman’s understanding anyway. I might be wrong.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2022
  • #20,443
CCFCSteve said:
I’m guessing as Germany/Europe weens itself of Russian gas we’re seeing increasing demand on a limited supply of gas elsewhere. At the moment Europe are filling their storage for winter not because of worries about price but because there’s a genuine risk/concern that if Russia turns off the taps the lights will go out.

We’re fortunate to have LNG terminals in this country so that risk is lessened for us but it does mean the prices are going through the roof because everyone is desperately buying up from an ever decreasing supply (due to Russian sanctions)

We’re understandably focussing on cost/prices, some people genuinely don’t know if they can get through winter, however, the even bigger concern for many is what happens if there’s not enough gas to go around during winter !

That’s my layman’s understanding anyway. I might be wrong.
Click to expand...
I think you’re overplaying LNG, it’s a historically unreliable source yet still equates for about a fifth of our usage.

It’s unreliable for many reasons. The biggest producers are Iran, Russia and Qatar and we’re only on trading terms with one. We don’t have a lot of long term contracts for supply effecting security of supply. We’re far from the biggest users so are not seen as a preferred market effecting security. It takes 2 weeks to get here by ship which coupled with our lack of storage facilities for all gas products makes us vulnerable to running out of supplies, remember that because of the beast from the east and our lack of storage due to the government’s decision to allow the Rough storage depot (ironically now being reopened in a panic with huge cost to the taxpayer) close we were estimated to be less than a day of running out of gas at one point which drove wholesale prices up 8 fold. There’s also the small matter of availability. The EU is storing LNG as quickly as it can get it, it’s estimated that the EU’s imports of LNG has risen by almost 60% in recent months ahead of the winter so there’s questions as you point out of is there enough to go around.

We seriously need a mild winter.
 
Last edited: Aug 27, 2022
W

wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2022
  • #20,444
It's interesting to see the diplomatic effects playing out with Algeria, Iran etc..
Cyprus and Australia becoming players.
 
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2022
  • #20,445
skybluetony176 said:
I think you’re overplaying LNG, it’s a historically unreliable source yet still equates for about a fifth of our usage.

It’s unreliable for many reasons. The biggest producers are Iran, Russia and Qatar and we’re only on trading terms with one. We don’t have a lot of long term contracts for supply effecting security of supply. We’re far from the biggest users so are not seen as a preferred market effecting security. It takes 2 weeks to get here by ship which coupled with our lack of storage facilities for all gas products makes us vulnerable to running out of supplies, remember that because of the beast from the east and our lack of storage due to the government’s decision to allow the Rough storage depot (ironically now being reopened in a panic with huge cost to the taxpayer) close we were estimated to be less than a day of running out of gas at one point which drove wholesale prices up 8 fold. There’s also the small matter of availability. The EU is storing LNG as quickly as it can get it, it’s estimated that the EU’s imports of LNG has risen by almost 60% in recent months ahead of the winter so there’s questions as you point out of is there enough to go around.

We seriously need a mild winter.
Click to expand...

Yeah, EU is getting a majority of its LNG converted and piped from us I think, so it has to come through us to get there. They don’t have the terminals, hence the need to store. We don’t have the storage as you say but should be able to maintain supply.

Im not saying there no risk of us having the odd black out, we were close in London a few weeks ago and had to pay a ridiculous amount to Belgium to stop it from happening, my understanding is tge risk of sustained blackouts should be lessened due to LNG infrastructure (together with other energy generation) My point with Europe is if the taps get turned off by Russia, once stored gas is utilised they’d be in massive trouble as they don’t have the infrastructure to quickly replenish supplies in winter. That’s why there’s has already been some minor rationing in Germany who are obviously as massive energy user due to manufacturing over there

My wider point was relating to the fact that trying to manage/reduce demand and usage will be essential Europe wide inc us this winter…and as you say, pray for a mild…and windy one !

Ps think we rely on more gas for energy generation than other countries though, like France is majority nuclear, which is not good at the moment
 
Last edited: Aug 27, 2022

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2022
  • #20,446
Just something I came across a couple of years ago, and I thought I would share with everyone.

One of the greatest series of books ever written on the subject if you are into this stuff.

The Politics of Nonviolent Action - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And also,

From Dictatorship to Democracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Worth buying, folks; 'cause you never really know.
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 28, 2022
  • #20,447
Just as a side note, I am almost 100% sure someone involved at a certain Trust who won't get mentioned has also read this.

I was actually ticking off things which appeared in the second of the trilogy, with certain events which happened a while back.

Have fun reading if you are interested..

Gene Sharp: Author of the nonviolent revolution rulebook

Dr Gene Sharp is the man credited with the strategy behind the toppling of governments from Serbia to Egypt.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Last edited: Aug 28, 2022
Reactions: wingy
W

wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,448
Don't think Fergal Sharkey will be too chuffed with this bloke.
Got to say after hearing him on the news on Saturday what a great exponent he is for conservation and standards.

Britons need to be ‘less squeamish’ about drinking water from sewage, says agency head

Environment Agency chief calls for new attitudes to conserve water and avoid droughts
www.theguardian.com
 
Reactions: skybluetony176 and clint van damme

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,449
wingy said:
Don't think Fergal Sharkey will be too chuffed with this bloke.
Got to say after hearing him on the news on Saturday what a great exponent he is for conservation and standards.

Britons need to be ‘less squeamish’ about drinking water from sewage, says agency head

Environment Agency chief calls for new attitudes to conserve water and avoid droughts
www.theguardian.com
Click to expand...

He's really got a bee in his bonnet about the amount of sewage we're pumping into our waterways.

That bevan is an absolute wanker.
 
Reactions: skybluetony176

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,450
clint van damme said:
He's really got a bee in his bonnet about the amount of sewage we're pumping into our waterways.

That bevan is an absolute wanker.
Click to expand...
Not just sewage. Run off from farming also. It’s a real issue, especially with chicken farming. When they empty the sheds they clean them out and spread it on the fields, that washes into streams and rivers. Chicken shit is really high in phosphates (hence why they put it on the fields) so when it washes into waterways it really promotes the growth of vegetation in the waterways which draws the oxygen out of the water which then starves the fish of oxygen and they die. Wildlife is being decimated in some areas because of it.
 
Reactions: duffer and clint van damme

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,451
This is Tory Britain. De-regulate and lower standards.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
Reactions: Sick Boy, clint van damme, Deleted member 9744 and 1 other person

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,452
stupot07 said:
This is Tory Britain. De-regulate and lower standards.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
They’ve quietly slipped through that human rights records will no longer be a consideration when negotiating post brexit trade deals. Project fear once again is project here.
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,453
let them drink shitty water
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,454

Fears raised that ex-energy bosses ‘sway government policy’

Exclusive: Scale of ‘revolving door’ between major energy firms and key Whitehall posts revealed
www.opendemocracy.net
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2022
  • #20,455
skybluetony176 said:

Fears raised that ex-energy bosses ‘sway government policy’

Exclusive: Scale of ‘revolving door’ between major energy firms and key Whitehall posts revealed
www.opendemocracy.net
View attachment 26028
Click to expand...
Given the energy problems we face you could almost understand the cap being almost trebled in a year. If it weren't for the fact that the energy companies are posting record profits. If the price was such a problem at best profits would be static.

Considering the aim of the cap is supposed to stop profiteering (which totally negates the argument for it being privatised in the first place anyway) it seems to be failing spectacularly and the regulator is allowing the cap to be increased by far too much. Also does nothing to question why standing charges have increased by a similar amount when the price of the fuel has nothing to do with that.

It's also pretty galling that this problem has a lot to do with the energy companies themselves, having spent decades blocking attempts to move towards renewables. But instead of being punished for this, they're going to coin it in. Is it any wonder companies make such shitty decisions when they gain so much from them?

Fact is, this situation is showing that privatising energy hasn't given what is what supposed to in better service and cheaper prices and the regulator isn't fit for purpose and seems to favour protecting the companies ahead of the consumers.
 
Reactions: duffer and shmmeee
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,456
Yeah...

Liz Truss to hand Frost 'significant' role to get tough on EU

LIZ TRUSS has France's Emmanuel Macron feeling a "little anxious" over the prospect of Lord David Frost being granted a "significant role" in the UK Government's EU strategy.
www.express.co.uk
 
Reactions: Sick Boy and clint van damme
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,457
Interesting discussions being had about delinking electricity and gas prices. EU looking at it and I’d imagine so are we.
Not sure what the planned alternative would be but I’m guessing electricity prices better linked to cost of its generation. This has got to happen.

Whether it makes a huge difference in the grand scheme of things Im not sure, especially as I think we use more gas than most to generate our electricity, while say France, for example, is majority nuclear. However, it should bring electricity prices down, especially if the amount generated by renewables continues to increase
 
W

wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,458
CCFCSteve said:
Interesting discussions being had about delinking electricity and gas prices. EU looking at it and I’d imagine so are we.
Not sure what the planned alternative would be but I’m guessing electricity prices better linked to cost of its generation. This has got to happen.

Whether it makes a huge difference in the grand scheme of things Im not sure, especially as I think we use more gas than most to generate our electricity, while say France, for example, is majority nuclear. However, it should bring electricity prices down, especially if the amount generated by renewables continues to increase
Click to expand...
Well it's been a ridiculous method for me regards equivalence .
 
Reactions: shmmeee and CCFCSteve

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,459
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah...

Liz Truss to hand Frost 'significant' role to get tough on EU

LIZ TRUSS has France's Emmanuel Macron feeling a "little anxious" over the prospect of Lord David Frost being granted a "significant role" in the UK Government's EU strategy.
www.express.co.uk
Click to expand...
I'm sure Macron's shitting himself at the prospect of the man who was a major part of Britain's Brexit negotiating team being involved.

There's only so many times you can pull someone's pants down before it gets a bit boring.
 
Reactions: AOM, clint van damme, duffer and 1 other person
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,460
wingy said:
Well it's been a ridiculous method for me regards equivalence .
Click to expand...

Agreed. Especially as renewables picked up significantly in recent years. I can’t believe it’s taken so long for them to start looking at it

Ps I didn’t even know it’s how electricity prices were calculated until this recent energy shitstorm. I just assumed it would’ve been calculated according to cost of generation/supply/availability
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer and wingy

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,461
CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. Especially as renewables picked up significantly in recent years. I can’t believe it’s taken so long for them to start looking at it

Ps I didn’t even know it’s how electricity prices were calculated until this recent energy shitstorm. I just assumed it would’ve been calculated according to cost of generation/supply/availability
Click to expand...

The whole “market” seems nuts once you look into it. The benefits of having a product everyone needs but no one gives a shit about until it’s goes very wrong.
 
Reactions: duffer

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,462
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah...

Liz Truss to hand Frost 'significant' role to get tough on EU

LIZ TRUSS has France's Emmanuel Macron feeling a "little anxious" over the prospect of Lord David Frost being granted a "significant role" in the UK Government's EU strategy.
www.express.co.uk
Click to expand...

The thought of pitting your wits against a man who negotiated deal which he himself then described as unworkable must be terrifying.
 
Reactions: duffer, Deleted member 9744, Sky_Blue_Dreamer and 2 others

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,463
WTactualF are this lot even doing? Does this make sense to anyone from any end of the political spectrum?

 
Reactions: stupot07

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,464
shmmeee said:
WTactualF are this lot even doing? Does this make sense to anyone from any end of the political spectrum?

Click to expand...

Bought to you by the makers of let's deregulate and fill our waterways and oceans with shit.......
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer and Sick Boy

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,465
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah...

Liz Truss to hand Frost 'significant' role to get tough on EU

LIZ TRUSS has France's Emmanuel Macron feeling a "little anxious" over the prospect of Lord David Frost being granted a "significant role" in the UK Government's EU strategy.
www.express.co.uk
Click to expand...
Wasn’t he responsible for negotiating the Brexit deal that the government agreed to and then suddenly declared it wasn’t happy?
Yeah, I’m sure Macron is terrified.
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,466
Sick Boy said:
Wasn’t he responsible for negotiating the Brexit deal that the government agreed to and then suddenly declared it wasn’t happy?
Yeah, I’m sure Macron is terrified.
Click to expand...

He's an absolute moron who's been wrong about almost everything.
Truss is going to assemble a cabinet so appalling you wouldn't think it possible.
 
Reactions: Sick Boy and Deleted member 9744

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #20,467
clint van damme said:
He's an absolute moron who's been wrong about almost everything.
Truss is going to assemble a cabinet so appalling you wouldn't think it possible.
Click to expand...
It almost unbelievable to think if a weeks time we'll be sitting here thinking Boris was an intellectual heavyweight and a shrewd political player.

You keep on thinking it can't get worse...

And yet there will still be people who think Truss is a better bet than Starmer. And those people are morons.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #20,468
shmmeee said:
The whole “market” seems nuts once you look into it. The benefits of having a product everyone needs but no one gives a shit about until it’s goes very wrong.
Click to expand...
The market is exactly what you'd expect where you impose market ideals on a natural monopoly, likewise all other privatised public services

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
Reactions: duffer, Sky_Blue_Dreamer and shmmeee

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #20,469
CCFCSteve said:
Interesting discussions being had about delinking electricity and gas prices. EU looking at it and I’d imagine so are we.
Not sure what the planned alternative would be but I’m guessing electricity prices better linked to cost of its generation. This has got to happen.

Whether it makes a huge difference in the grand scheme of things Im not sure, especially as I think we use more gas than most to generate our electricity, while say France, for example, is majority nuclear. However, it should bring electricity prices down, especially if the amount generated by renewables continues to increase
Click to expand...

We should put a generator above Parliament for all the hot air it produces.
 
W

wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 31, 2022
  • #20,470
What does this tell us then if its not pure speculation of investors or is it confused by other factors?


Wholesale gas prices tumble as Europe prepares to intervene in energy markets

European Commission says it is working ‘flat out’ on emergency intervention and on longer-term structural reform
www.theguardian.com
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #20,471
 
Reactions: Sick Boy

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #20,472
Deleted member 5849 said:
Click to expand...

I went in the autobahn for the first time last month. I’m up for it. Would increase congestion though I think. And not anywhere outside motorways.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #20,473
Deleted member 5849 said:
Click to expand...

On motorways in certain areas that actually makes sense
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #20,474
Grendel said:
On motorways in certain areas that actually makes sense
Click to expand...
If you mean the M45, maybe, but we're talking niche aren't we, and playing with technicalities where we both know she's just spouting whatever drivel people want to hear.

Learned from the master, but doesn't have the charisma!
 
Reactions: Terry Gibson's perm, Otis, Sick Boy and 1 other person

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #20,475
Deleted member 5849 said:
If you mean the M45, maybe, but we're talking niche aren't we, and playing with technicalities where we both know she's just spouting whatever drivel people want to hear.

Learned from the master, but doesn't have the charisma!
Click to expand...
On the M6 it would be pointless until you get to Cumbria. M25, pointless exercise, M1, pointless exercise etc etc. struggling to think of a motorway other than the M45 where it would work other than in small stretches.
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 583
  • 584
  • 585
  • 586
  • 587
  • …
  • 1494
Next
First Prev 585 of 1494 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

  • CCFCSteve4 minutes ago
  • SBAndy5 minutes ago
  • Ian17799 minutes ago
  • tisza12 minutes ago
  • Marty12 minutes ago
  • Sky Blue Pete13 minutes ago
  • ... and 2 more.
  • Total: 24 (members: 8, guests: 16)
    Share:
    Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
    • Home
    • Forums
    • General Discussion
    • Off Topic Chat
    • Default Style
    • Contact us
    • Terms and rules
    • Privacy policy
    • Help
    • Home
    Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
    Menu
    Log in

    Register

    • Home
    • Forums
      • New posts
      • Search forums
    • What's new
      • New posts
      • Latest activity
    • Members
      • Current visitors
    • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
    X

    Privacy & Transparency

    We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

    • Personalized ads and content
    • Content measurement and audience insights

    Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

    X

    Privacy & Transparency

    We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

    • Personalized ads and content
    • Content measurement and audience insights

    Do you accept cookies and these technologies?