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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,796
stupot07 said:
Liz Truss will be PM then. Much more liked by the grassroots Tory party, than Sunak.

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Sad day. The one person I thought would be the worst possible choice out of the 5.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,797
Liz Truss is the Prime Minister

 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,798
Only way this could of been better is if somehow Braverman had made it through and won

#VoteLiz
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,799
I am concerned about the level of damage she could bring.
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,800
Political suicide for the Conservative Party.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,801
shmmeee said:
Or, ya know, agitating

These Rebel MPs Are Planning a War with Labour Austerity

Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and their socialist mates won't let a Labour government implement more austerity.
www.vice.com

Answer me this: if everything the left has done has been perfect, why do they keep losing?

At some point you’ve got to make an honest appraisal of your situation or you’re doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
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I did. I put what went on with Corbyn to one side.
He then purged the left in senior positions and I thought fair enough.
Then Starmer made his ten pledges and I could really get on board with them.

But hes sinced trashed everyone of them and its been one kick in the teeth after another.

The reaction to the striking rail workers was bad enough, but the reaction to BA workers was incredible from the Labour Party.


It's OK playing the game to get elected but this lot have more than crossed the line for me.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,802
Liz fucking Truss. My goodness.

PORK MARKETS.
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,803
Why does it take six fucking weeks for the conservative party to hold a vote?

We can have a GE for 40 odd million in one bloody day.

It's not like they didn't know it was coming.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,804
JAM See said:
Why does it take six fucking weeks for the conservative party to hold a vote?

We can have a GE for 40 odd million in one bloody day.

It's not like they didn't know it was coming.
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A government can call an election with 24 hours notice?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,805
David O'Day said:
Only way this could of been better is if somehow Braverman had made it through and won

#VoteLiz
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Yeah, Braverman is worse, an absolute physco
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,806
What’s the big concern with Truss?
clint van damme said:
I did. I put what went on with Corbyn to one side.
He then purged the left in senior positions and I thought fair enough.
Then Starmer made his ten pledges and I could really get on board with them.

But hes sinced trashed everyone of them and its been one kick in the teeth after another.

The reaction to the striking rail workers was bad enough, but the reaction to BA workers was incredible from the Labour Party.


It's OK playing the game to get elected but this lot have more than crossed the line for me.
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And that’s fair enough. But essentially choosing the Tories because you care about workers rights is a strange one.

The fact is a government shouldn’t pick a side in an industrial dispute, but should support a workers right to withdraw their labour and demand a fair deal.

I don’t think Labour MPs should be on the picket line (unless they’re on strike!) personally but fair enough if you do. From what I’ve seen Lammy has apologised for being mistaken about the BA strike but TBH I don’t know much about it.
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,807
Grendel said:
A government can call an election with 24 hours notice?
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I doubt it.

What's that got to do with my original post?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,808
shmmeee said:
What’s the big concern with Truss?


And that’s fair enough. But essentially choosing the Tories because you care about workers rights is a strange one.

The fact is a government shouldn’t pick a side in an industrial dispute, but should support a workers right to withdraw their labour and demand a fair deal.

I don’t think Labour MPs should be on the picket line (unless they’re on strike!) personally but fair enough if you do. From what I’ve seen Lammy has apologised for being mistaken about the BA strike but TBH I don’t know much about it.
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I haven't chosen the tories, Ive forsaken Labour.
Of course, come election time, I may feel different, but at the moment, it's a no.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,809
clint van damme said:
I haven't chosen the tories, Ive forsaken Labour.
Of course, come election time, I may feel different, but at the moment, it's a no.
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Potato potahto, we live in a binary democracy for all intents and purposes. By all means be pissed off with Labour, but come the GE you’re either voting for them or you’re enabling the Tories is the sad fact.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,810
So we've either got Mr. Austerity+, because he's rich and doesn't have working class mates so he won't see there being any problems, or a woman so far out of her depth she'd drown in a paddling pool.

Truss is so monumentally stupid that Boris looks like a mastermind next to her. Boris is corrupt and self-serving, Truss is self-serving but not intelligent enough to be corrupt.

If she wins it's going to be painful watching her get bullied by other nations while she thinks she Thatcher, such is her lack of self-awareness. But at least it'll make it more likely we'll get rid of the entire shower of them next time.
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,811
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,812
rob9872 said:
Purely to satisfy my curiosity, does anyone have any stats to hand of voting % by party at the last few elections of private sector workers versus public sector workers and those who don't work at all?

*Edit: not looking for cheap point scoring because I think I know the answer (I could be wrong), but merely wondering how skewed one way or the other they were.
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I have worked in local government down south since 1996 and I would say amongst qualified professionals in my field vast majority positioned left of centre but with healthy balance of environmental, social and economy issues. For most (but not exclusively) of the less uni-educated staff it definitely careers towards much stronger right wing views. That's down south in a small town rural Borough.
However we have to work with all local councillors and parties and most fine and sensible (bar UKIP councillors) Any bat-shit crazy attitudes/decisions/behaviour by individuals is rare but could just as equally be Cons, Labour, Lib Dems or Green councillors. All down to personalities at local level, but some hard working dedicated staff across the board.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,813
Old flames reignited

 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,814
Centrists bring us Major, Blair,
SIR ERNIE said:
Political suicide for the Conservative Party.
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Well you have to hope so really as much because if not, what does it say about democracy where Liz Truss is the answer?!?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,815
Sick Boy said:
I reckon it’ll end up being Truss who’ll be another disaster and revert to the nonsense culture wars and taking photos on tanks.
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Spot on, as always.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,816
Sick Boy said:
Spot on, as always.
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Saved in case Sunak brings down the 'Truss wall'
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,817
At training from colleague In hmrc who said said 4% of inflation is directly attributable to brexit

Fall in pound against the dollar
Increase in import costs from the eu
Increased prices and increase in inflatjon

Seems plausible and he certainly knew
his stuff

get brexit done ffs
 
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JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,818
Sick Boy said:
I reckon it’ll end up being Truss who’ll be another disaster and revert to the nonsense culture wars and taking photos on tanks.
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.She's been trained well.

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,819
Sunak has said he aims to protect Brexit and the Union. Take your pick Rishi-it's one or the other
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,820
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sunak has said he aims to protect Brexit and the Union. Take your pick Rishi-it's one or the other
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Dunno tbf, there's a way isn't there, it's just not the extreme way Rees Mogg is happy with.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,821
i for one am looking forward to seeing people laugh at grenners attempts to pretend liz truss is doing well
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,822
Deleted member 5849 said:
Dunno tbf, there's a way isn't there, it's just not the extreme way Rees Mogg is happy with.
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Well it's what I think he means by 'protect Brexit'. Does he mean just to repeal the measures that are clearly hurting our economy, or just not to rejoin the EU? Because it seems even the former is taken to be equivalent to the latter in some Tory circles.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,823
What could possibly go wrong?

 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,824
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well it's what I think he means by 'protect Brexit'. Does he mean just to repeal the measures that are clearly hurting our economy, or just not to rejoin the EU? Because it seems even the former is taken to be equivalent to the latter in some Tory circles.
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I'd like to hope it would be a play on words, but even Tory members aren't that stupid, so it'd probably see his chances up in smoke.

Then again, when appealing to a Tory membership, what's he supposed to say other than protecting Brexit and protecting the Union? Saying he wants to let Scotland go and rejoin the EU probably wouldn't get him elected!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,825
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd like to hope it would be a play on words, but even Tory members aren't that stupid, so it'd probably see his chances up in smoke.

Then again, when appealing to a Tory membership, what's he supposed to say other than protecting Brexit and protecting the Union? Saying he wants to let Scotland go and rejoin the EU probably wouldn't get him elected!
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Well in his shoes I would've avoided mentioning the Union altogether beyond refusing to recognise next year's indyref. As we've seen on here the Union isn't a pressing issue for the membership, Brexit I imagine is.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,826
Sick Boy said:
Spot on, as always.
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So it’s a coronation?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,827
Grendel said:
So it’s a coronation?
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I’m not interested in alternative facts.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,828
clint van damme said:
What could possibly go wrong?

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Yes, indeed.

But on the actual sentiment of what she was trying to say, why is she able to hit the ground running, whilst Sunak is not?

Surely that's just another meaningless soundbite isn't it.
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,829
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #18,830
She's an absolute car crash

The silence after pork markets is excruciating

 
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