Did you watch Thornberry’s appearance on C4?
Thanks for looking deeper. Yeah that’s not quite so excellentNo it isn't, what RR failed to mention in their carefully scripted press leak (before briefing the workforce) is that they are also expecting the workforce to accept a 10% pay cut to make them "more competitive" this at a time when the C.E.O has awarded himself a £3 million Bonus!
The offer is 4% on the basic pay, plus a 2k one off payment. Then a 10% reduction!
Classic case of fake news.
In situations like this, you need to ask yourself why the C.E.O. has seen fit to release a confidential pay proposal to the press before its been discussed with the trade unions or the workers.
There is always far more to the story than meets the eye. But by putting it out in the way it reads, it makes it look like RR is a compassionate and caring organisation, which I can assure you isn't the case with its current board.
Yeah he’s articulating a vision that many can get behindLooking at some of the headlines this morning after MSM and Tory MP’s spent most of yesterday trying to blame Starmer for the strikes (and all the other woe’s facing the country #imagineifboriswasincharge) the majority of the headlines today seem to be accusing Starmer of being a coward and having nothing to do with the strikes yesterday (which is accurate for MSM). However I think this is in response to the the opinion polls that show actually despite the Tories efforts and the efforts of their compliant press the public are in support of the industrial action not against. Expect a change in tact from both the press and Starmer today. Coupled with Lynch’s media performances yesterday I can see some U turns on the horizon and wouldn’t even put it past this populist government to get behind it and suddenly it turning out that it is the Secretary of State for Transports job to get involved in the mechanisms of the transport sectors to keep them moving.
Exclusively Napalm Death on Radio 2 from now on?The new human rights book looks pretty gross. No wonder they're trying to distract us with tune strikes.
No. Do you now accept you’re in a tiny minority and that Labours position is the correct one for a party of govenrment?
FarmerWhat’s your profession Rob?
The right hand bar chart doesn't show much hope for any improvement to people's lives under Labour, 60+% surveyed think there will be be the same or more strikes if they were in power. At least it looks like a party of government though.And yet:
I do get your point, but we are at a stage where if you don't go for Labour/Starmer, you WILL end up with Johnson instead. Which would you prefer?Whose giving Johnson a free ride?
I slate the man. Can't stand him.
Its those who think not being Johnson is reason enough to vote for someone who are dishing out the free ride
It does seem that they see how the Tories get elected time after time and are using it as a blueprint. Doesn't seem to have worked to well with Miliband or Starmer. But then neither did Corbyn.Its someone telling to get power they seem to believe they have to imitate the Tory party isn’t it?
and wasn't elected as PM.Corbyn got 42% of the vote
But the point is that more and more striking/pickets etc are being made unlawful. If they do so, the government just looks for ways to stop them doing it next time and make them the villains. If they put half as much effort into stopping companies and the rich taking the piss there wouldn't be the need for most of these disputes.I would expect labour politicians to stand on picket lines if they are lawful yes.
Corbyn and Major ended up being more popular than anyone envisaged because they when campaigning went out and actually campaigned without advisors and scripted behaviour - thatcher was more polished but still had that back me or don’t philosophy
Starmer has zero conviction - if Rayner had some measure of control she’d be a far better leader
I do get your point, but we are at a stage where if you don't go for Labour/Starmer, you WILL end up with Johnson instead. Which would you prefer?
I don't like the idea of voting for someone because hey aren't someone else, but we're now so desperately in the shit it's something we as a nation really have to consider.
Votes for left wing parties tend to outnumber those for right wing, yet we always seem to get a right wing govenment. There's numerous reasons for that but one big one is that the right wing vote is less fragmented than the left. The vast majority of that persuasion will vote Tory, whereas left has a lot for Labour but in the past has seen decent proportions go to Lib Dem, SNP in Scotland and no the green vote is looking like it could increase significantly. We might look for this perfect fit, but all that seems to result in successive Tory governments.
But they don’t. You are just a lazy product of social media. No knowledge, no beliefs and no understanding. Totally binary in thought process, zero historical Knowledge and the implications of history. You can’t even form an opinion without a twitter link telling you something you then instantly believe
You really are very dull and stupid in equal measure. I wish you were at least funny but you are tragically boring and imbecilic in equal measure
If you had historical knowledge and understood the implications of history you'd know that pretty much everything you stand for has ended up failing over the past millennium.
The best advances in terms of knowledge and living standards come when ordinary people are given more power and earnings and when money is spent on things like education and research. Instead we're focused on increasing the wealth of the already rich at the expense of ordinary people by cutting wages and spending.
It's failed time and time again in history and it's their continued grip on wealth and power that ensures it stays that way, not because it's actually any good.
If we could get people to look beyond this obsession with money and wealth and actually have performance criteria that properly reflect a more balanced and varied set of indicators, giving things like physical and mental health, living conditions as much weight as (very skewed) economic growth then we might start actually getting somewhere.
Why can't I help but feel that if he had the polls wouldn't look like that. It does feel that it's 'whatever they do, it's the wrong thing and they should have done the other'.Latest polling seems to show that Starmer missed a trick by not backing the strike action
Exactly.Looking at some of the headlines this morning after MSM and Tory MP’s spent most of yesterday trying to blame Starmer for the strikes (and all the other woe’s facing the country #imagineifboriswasincharge) the majority of the headlines today seem to be accusing Starmer of being a coward and having nothing to do with the strikes yesterday (which is accurate for MSM). However I think this is in response to the the opinion polls that show actually despite the Tories efforts and the efforts of their compliant press the public are in support of the industrial action not against. Expect a change in tact from both the press and Starmer today. Coupled with Lynch’s media performances yesterday I can see some U turns on the horizon and wouldn’t even put it past this populist government to get behind it and suddenly it turning out that it is the Secretary of State for Transports job to get involved in the mechanisms of the transport sectors to keep them moving.
Exactly.
If he'd supported them the story would be "Lefty Starmer wants to increase cost of rail tickets and put rail infrastructure on its knees"
Because he didn't it's "Coward Starmer won't back strikes"
Got fuck all to do with reporting and everything about the narrative.
There are flaws in all the parties at the moment. You vote for the lesser of two evils surely don't you?If you don’t believe in wealth who will you vote for? Clearly not labour
But the point is you're very unlikely to actually get that option.If I have no choice and it comes to milk and korma or a criminal then yes Milky Keir gets my vote. If locally there is another viable option I’ll vote for them instead.
Then we can see how Mr Smarmer likes being ignored, sneered or laughed at when he wants support.
Exactly.
If he'd supported them the story would be "Lefty Starmer wants to increase cost of rail tickets and put rail infrastructure on its knees"
Because he didn't it's "Coward Starmer won't back strikes"
Got fuck all to do with reporting and everything about the narrative.
Exactly.
If he'd supported them the story would be "Lefty Starmer wants to increase cost of rail tickets and put rail infrastructure on its knees"
Because he didn't it's "Coward Starmer won't back strikes"
Got fuck all to do with reporting and everything about the narrative.
But the point is you're very unlikely to actually get that option.
It'd be like having a dinner party and over half are vegetarian. Choosing the food, some want the vegetable curry, others want a salad, some want jacket potatoes. Meanwhile, the few meat eaters all decide on steak and spend the entire budget on it while the others are dithering over what to get. So the vegetarians end up with steak instead.
I didn't think Starmer believed in anything?Better leave the country then. Tory Starmer and Norman Lamont in drag (aka Reeves) believe in economic growth and money and wealth
Cuba perhaps is more your thing?
I appreciate that.Your analogy game hasn’t improved since last time. I just want the leader of the Labour Party to be seen to act on the side of working people and to have the courage to say what he thinks.
At this point ‘at least I’m not a criminal’ is his strongest argument but he doesn’t even make that
Life expectancy going down, as is the general health of the population due to high levels of pollution. Mental health is deteriorating and suicide rates are up. Living conditions have got worse as real terms wages are going down, meaning people are struggling to afford food and heating. Wealth inequality is spiralling. Homelessness is up. Crime is up. Services can't cope and aren't being invested
What does this even mean? It’s classic Kier word salad.No. Do you now accept you’re in a tiny minority and that Labours position is the correct one for a party of govenrment?
I appreciate that.
But enjoy the Tory government you'll end up with instead.
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