Brighton Sky Blue
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It was fine when you could go for free though right
Actually it’s a joke policy that’s watered down the education system and the consequences are huge future burdens to the taxpayer
If you funded it properly, so that universities actually judged on entry requirements and ability, then it would work perfectly fine.Actually it’s a joke policy that’s watered down the education system and the consequences are huge future burdens to the taxpayer
It was fine when you could go for free though right
Well again whether you like or not the Labour Party is second when trusted on the economy and has a hurdle to overcome and a reduced consumer spending tax could be then supported by higher taxation in other areas
Then only a selected number went rather than a watered down system where people can attain pointless degrees and are not prepared for the work place
You asked for policies that would benefit the working classes/low incomes, I give them and you say they aren't vote winners so no point going for them. Again if 'I'll put more money in your pocket' isn't a vote winner I really don't know what is-just admit it's a popularity contest and right now we have Bart Simpson against Martin Prince
It still facilitated your employment prospects did it not
It is t though as people believe the money will be taken else where due to their believe Labour is economically incompetent- especially under the last shadow administration
So what you are saying is that it all went to shit once Universities were able to start charging students for their courses.Which is because it was a proper system then which at least attempted to issue degrees that had some academic competence to attain it
Then only a selected number went rather than a watered down system where people can attain pointless degrees and are not prepared for the work place
The Tories are in government they don’t have to offer anything other than the status quo of the majority of people are happy with that and cliche nonsense on paragraph 1 - no one gives a toss
Ahh there's that spitefulness I mentioned earlier.
Grendel got his free education, god forbid anyone else gets a free education.
Pull that ladder up after yourself like a good little Tory.
They all get a free education now - just rather like the comprehensive system it’s watered down and ruins working class people’s chances of success
All grammar schools do is sway a bias towards those who can pay for private tuition to ace the 11+, as the government commissioned research into them showed.
im taking the system in the 70’s you knumbskull
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im taking the system in the 70’s you knumbskull
Are you sure you had an education?
Well really it’s just nonsense isn’t it. In what way was the decision to introduce a system of education that drove down to the lowest common denominator a good thing?
the funny thing of course is the very people who instigated the project made damn sure their children weren’t a part of it
So what you are saying is that it all went to shit once Universities were able to start charging students for their courses.
It was fine when you could go for free though right
It was fine for the 5-7% who went. The rest of us just got a job at 16, paid our taxes and cracked on. But then, we didn't have social media to whine into.
Equally bad when universities get their funding on completion rates, so where's the incentive to kick out a badly underperforming (or regularly dishonest!) student?Yes, pretty much so. When I first started lecturing at Warwick, it was expected that 4-5% of students would obtain a first. 2.2's were looked upon as a bit rum but not as fails. When I left only a few years later, we lecturers had been leant on to award firsts to 20% of students, and we received official complaints fromcustomersstudents who had been awarded 2.2s.
Equally bad when universities get their funding on completion rates, so where's the incentive to kick out a badly underperforming (or regularly dishonest!) student?
Sometimes, it can be the best thing for the student to set them free too - either Mummy or Daddy have forced them to go, or they're emotionally too immature just at the time (I know I'd have done better with a year or two gap before going, so not being patronising to some of them!) so would be betetr doing a degree, if they want to, at a time of their lives when they can maximise their potential in it.
But no, keep them in for the funding!
First year didn't count for me either, I worked hard in that year, carried it over from A Levels.Quite liked it in Scotland where the first year didn't count for anything and was largely a refresher of A-level so you could use it to get settled, manage a budget and so on. Second year still didn't count towards your classification but the difficulty ramped up. If folks wanted to go straight in to the 2nd year that was also an option
Of course. More permanent and full time work though as opposed to the zero hour, temporary and part time fare that forms a bigger bulk of the economy than it did then. And just FYI I hardly use social media either.
First year didn't count for me either, I worked hard in that year, carried it over from A Levels.
Second year I belatedly found wine, women, and song.
Got it the wrong way round!
Ah, life was so much easier and better back then. At 17 I got a job working on the production line at Chrysler Peugeot - great fun, you should try it, especially working the welding machines. I was made redundant two years later.
A year later, during the 80s recession, I managed to get onto a forty-eight quid-a-week Youth Opportunities scheme, planting trees.
As there were no jobs after that, I went travelling the world for two years, working as I travelled. When I got back I got a job in a warehouse, working night shift. Having successfully (paid for and) studied for a degree whilst in full-time work, I then further self-funded a full-time degree, whilst also taking in lodgers to help keep my mortgage. I then successfully entered into national competitions for stipends and funding for higher degrees.
Nobody helped me, I got off my arse and did it. Yes, the lack of good, solid jobs for the working class is an issue, but you're going back to the fifties and early sixties to re-live that world.
Nobody helped me, I got off my arse and did it. Yes, the lack of good, solid jobs for the working class is an issue, but you're going back to the fifties and early sixties to re-live that world.
Very similar to my degree, plus all the reading and assignments you're expected to do.I still put the work in for both years, had afternoon labs 3 times a week even in first year! Then when honours kicked off we'd have 20 hours of labs a week and 15 hours of lectures-still degrees now are a piece of piss with no academic integrity
Very similar to my degree, plus all the reading and assignments you're expected to do.
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One year of my course was spent working in industry alongside distance learning modules, then the final year was a lab-based research project plus a full complement of lectures. Still, all degrees now pale in comparison to those of the 80s right
No all don’t but many many do with little contact time
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