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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (31 Viewers)

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 21, 2021
  • #806
chiefdave said:
I had that one. Was working for a company whose client base was supposed to be entirely in Hampshire. They took on a client in London and expected me to travel there, with traffic it added 6 hours or more a day. Of course the travel time wasn't paid as "our quote wouldn't be competitive if we paid travel time". Don't quote then!

Months of doing that 3 - 5 times a week was not fun.
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Would it have been more worthwhile to have found somewhere to rent for a short time nearby? Appreciate cost and time away from family but when you consider petrol and just the time and effect it has on you would it have been worth it? Or did you have jobs to do in Hampshire at the same time?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 21, 2021
  • #807
chiefdave said:
Got a couple of mates who are on 4 day weeks, one has been for over 10 years, the other more recent. Both say the same thing @Evo1883 mentioned on another thread, makes a huge difference as work no longer dominates your life. They also say their companies have seen increased productivity and employee retention since making the change.

They both live in other countries, one in Sweden, the other in Australia. Suspect it'll be a long time before we see many companies here bring something like that in. If my industry is anything to go by we're going in the opposite direction and expecting people to work ever increasing hours to cover the work of people who have been made redundant. When I started it was strictly 35 hours a week, now its 50 plus hours a week.
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It's not going to be easy particularly for service industries. I do think if companies are willing to adapt they will see productivity benefits.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #808
Well, at least the Tories have missed out on looking hypocrites.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-56442994
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #809

MPs defeat bid to save leaseholders from huge fire safety bills

Amendments to stop building owners passing on the costs of fixing defects were defeated in a Commons vote
www.theguardian.com
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #810
wingy said:

MPs defeat bid to save leaseholders from huge fire safety bills

Amendments to stop building owners passing on the costs of fixing defects were defeated in a Commons vote
www.theguardian.com
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Sadly this kind of thing isn't in the slightest bit surprising anymore.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #811
chiefdave said:
Sadly this kind of thing isn't in the slightest bit surprising anymore.
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No,. have to envisage many personal bankruptcies
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #812
wingy said:

MPs defeat bid to save leaseholders from huge fire safety bills

Amendments to stop building owners passing on the costs of fixing defects were defeated in a Commons vote
www.theguardian.com
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Any Tories around want to defend this?
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #813
Imagine living those aspiring lives as a result of this one vote ,the personal wreckage.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #814
One for the Starmer haters. Labour’s polling vs a year ago. Closed the gap by 15 points during a time the government are handing out free cash to stay at home. Could be worse.

 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #815
shmmeee said:
One for the Starmer haters. Labour’s polling vs a year ago. Closed the gap by 15 points during a time the government are handing out free cash to stay at home. Could be worse.

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Either people are waking up to how fuckng useless and corruption this government is r what he's doing is working.
It still doesn't inspire me personally at the moment
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #816
clint van damme said:
Either people are waking up to how fuckng useless and corruption this government is r what he's doing is working.
It still doesn't inspire me personally at the moment
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Same but that’s probably a good thing. I’m still hoping people want a bit of Biden style boring stability, but it’s a long time to the next election so who knows where we’ll be.
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #817
shmmeee said:
One for the Starmer haters. Labour’s polling vs a year ago. Closed the gap by 15 points during a time the government are handing out free cash to stay at home. Could be worse.

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Not sure people are Starmer haters.... just find virtually nothing to be inspired about.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #818
chiefdave said:
Got a couple of mates who are on 4 day weeks, one has been for over 10 years, the other more recent. Both say the same thing @Evo1883 mentioned on another thread, makes a huge difference as work no longer dominates your life. They also say their companies have seen increased productivity and employee retention since making the change.

They both live in other countries, one in Sweden, the other in Australia. Suspect it'll be a long time before we see many companies here bring something like that in. If my industry is anything to go by we're going in the opposite direction and expecting people to work ever increasing hours to cover the work of people who have been made redundant. When I started it was strictly 35 hours a week, now its 50 plus hours a week.
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I lived in Sweden when they trialled the four day working week, and the six hour working day. Was pretty good.

Certainly for me, I noticed a difference even working from home one day a week.
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #819
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I lived in Sweden when they trialled the four day working week, and the six hour working day. Was pretty good.

Certainly for me, I noticed a difference even working from home one day a week.
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Did they implement it permanently?
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #820
clint van damme said:
Did they implement it permanently?
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My mate who works in Sweden and he's been on it for years. Says it makes a huge difference. Don't think its mandatory or anything like that, down to individual companies. But as it seems to lead to increased productivity, less sick days and increased employee retention why would companies resist it?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #821
Ian1779 said:
Not sure people are Starmer haters.... just find virtually nothing to be inspired about.
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Im only playing.

Just gave up reading a long read on him, which kind of proves your point
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #822

This from the man who wrote a column both for and against Brexit.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #823
shmmeee said:
Im only playing.

Just gave up reading a long read on him, which kind of proves your point
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He's a bit like the Sunday lunches I had growing up. Overcooked, tough meat, boiled and bland vegetables with a side of cauliflower cheese, and everyone except BSB thinks it's delicious.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #824
Again, I am not saying Johnson is a fascist, but he does keep doing the sorts of things fascists like to do.

Also: The Eton educated former Mayor of London talking about metropolitan elites.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #825
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He's a bit like the Sunday lunches I had growing up. Overcooked, tough meat, boiled and bland vegetables with a side of cauliflower cheese, and everyone except BSB thinks it's delicious.
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I love cauliflower cheese
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #826
shmmeee said:
I love cauliflower cheese
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Delectable, maybe not electable.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #827
shmmeee said:
I love cauliflower cheese
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It's as disgusting as broccoli just more beige
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #828
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It's as disgusting as broccoli just more beige
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That’s what the cheese is for.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #829
Cauliflower is great. Takes on flavour, great in curries as a substitute for chicken and buffalo cauliflower wings are awesome. You just need to cook it properly.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #830
shmmeee said:
Again, I am not saying Johnson is a fascist, but he does keep doing the sorts of things fascists like to do.

Also: The Eton educated former Mayor of London talking about metropolitan elites.
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The New York born Eton educated former Mayor of London you mean?
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #831
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I lived in Sweden when they trialled the four day working week, and the six hour working day. Was pretty good.

Certainly for me, I noticed a difference even working from home one day a week.
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The question I guess is does it make people more productive which is the object of this trial .
I certainly know I couldn't have worked harder physically for the past 48 yrs .
I do know you can get diminishing returns by throwing too much at something.
But where flights and Hotel accomodation, expenses were involved longer days from a smaller crew were deemed a saving and a competitive tool ,among home and local contractors .
Doing all that while appearing well rewarded would have been drastically cut on a 40 hr operation.
In fact I'd have been as well rewarded as a tradesman on the council or similar , possibly more secure,not as knackered out definitely.
So that leaves the question of this trial as to whether you can maintain incomes via the hours reduction by proving it increases production .
I hope they can .
Unfortunately that French shift pattern in manufacturing wasn't aimed at reducing the hours .
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #832
skybluetony176 said:
Cauliflower is great. Takes on flavour, great in curries as a substitute for chicken and buffalo cauliflower wings are awesome. You just need to cook it properly.
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The flavour is abhorrent
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #833
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The flavour is abhorrent
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Nah it's delicate .
I love it's mushiness when it's overcooked Lol
Food for old folks ,will take on flavours be that introduced or alongside other ingredients .
How about celeriac, fantastic to introduce it's subtle flavour on other ingredients.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #834
wingy said:
Nah it's delicate .
I love it's mushiness when it's overcooked Lol
Food for old folks ,will take on flavours be that introduced or alongside other ingredients .
How about celeriac, fantastic to introduce it's subtle flavour on other ingredients.
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You can have it all Wingy!
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #835
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The flavour is abhorrent
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It's brilliant in curries and roasted with spices. I'm gonna try a cauliflower steak as it goes.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #836
shmmeee said:
I love cauliflower cheese
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Me too, my missus' family don't have it with Sunday dinner, heathens
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #837
chiefdave said:
My mate who works in Sweden and he's been on it for years. Says it makes a huge difference. Don't think its mandatory or anything like that, down to individual companies. But as it seems to lead to increased productivity, less sick days and increased employee retention why would companies resist it?
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I've wondered if we could do a system whereby each position has two people, each doing 3.5 days (or 4+3) paid pro-rata so we have an economy that works all the time. The idea of a weekend is an antiquated one now. Also many sectors where you could get 3 people on 8hr shifts a day to enable round-the-clock working.

Of course there's a problem with filling positions - if they're jobs people don't want to do you do end up without enough people to implement it.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #838
shmmeee said:
Again, I am not saying Johnson is a fascist, but he does keep doing the sorts of things fascists like to do.

Also: The Eton educated former Mayor of London talking about metropolitan elites.
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You missed out 'and Oxford' and member of the Bullingdon Club.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #839
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I've wondered if we could do a system whereby each position has two people, each doing 3.5 days (or 4+3) paid pro-rata so we have an economy that works all the time. The idea of a weekend is an antiquated one now. Also many sectors where you could get 3 people on 8hr shifts a day to enable round-the-clock working.

Of course there's a problem with filling positions - if they're jobs people don't want to do you do end up without enough people to implement it.
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There was talk of something similar during the high point of the pandemic with people dropping a day to create jobs and the government subsidising the lost day.
At work but I'll try and find the article later. Worked out well economically if I remember correctly.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #840
Yet more brilliance

 
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